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Ratings Thread
WE DID IT GUYS
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Maybe RAW needs to stop sucking brutal ass.
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Monday Night Snore needs to step up
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over written, over produced tripe. A bunch of guys out there going through the motions, trying to remember scripted promos doing a bunch of shit they're doing because the writers told them to.
Wrestling has never seemed more fake and that includes marty jennety ascending from a casket on the titantron as an Undertaker body double. |
I think the problem is a lack of energy. Stuff happens, nobody cares, nothing matters.
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We did it guys, all of our hard work paid off.
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Does Raw still open with 20 minute Stephanie McMahon/Authority figure promos?
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A-Show! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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This is a glorious day, The A-Show reigns supreme!
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#CancelRaw
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#RawBlows
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#MondayNightMcDrama
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I dont want to derail the circle jerk but man do those number suck
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Lol. Will this change anything on Raw? Maybe they will give Rusev 30 extra minutes of air time :(. If they let Rusev beat Reigns the rating will skyrocket.
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I think the Wid Card theme of Smack down this week was pretty good. Instead of having a PPV for both shows every month, the show not doing a PPV could have a themed show like SD did this week. The lower tier PPVs feel like an extra episode of Raw or SD anyway so I think it would make sense.
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I would like to see this Jennetty action actually |
The only things remotely entertaining on raw are Charolette and KO/Y2J
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Axelmania is coming back to save RAW..brother
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Good for Smackdown considering they've been consistently better than RAW since the brand split. Very likely won't last beyond this week but at least the brand gets rewarded for once for being the better flowing show overall.
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Are we ignoring the fact that Raw was on Boxing Day?
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Yes because these are USA#1 ratings and we don't celebrate Boxing Day.
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Has this ever happened before?
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I still think they should just give the first hour of Raw to the cruiserweights instead of spreading their segments randomly throughout the show (and stupidly changing the ropes several times a show as a result).
Used to love Nitro kicking off with a great cruiserweight match. The crowd is always juiced up at the beginning. Then start the "normal" part of Raw at 9 PM. |
I don't know what's making me happy right now.
The news of SmackDown finally beating Raw or the return of Corkscrewed. |
Most eyes are on Raw at the start of the show. Cruiserweights won't keep their eyes there.
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Could probably put them on for just the 3rd hour as a way to boost that hour but it becomes really dependent on how well the first two hours were.
If those hours were really bad, Cruises won't do anything to fix it but if the show is at least pretty decent, could be a way to keep the show's momentum going till the end. In WCW's case, the reason it worked very well for the first hour was because WCW rarely cared about that hour so the Cruisers were perfect to keep the crowd pumped till the real show started. In the WWE's case, they pretty much just care about the start of the hours and the main event for RAW. |
I have always felt that the shows should be segmented by hours and who's featured based on pecking order.
Hour 1 consists of the cruisers and tag division, hour 2 consists of the women and mid card title, hour 3 has the upper mid card and main event scene guys. You build towards the focal point of the show and pay it off at the end. You don't give away your main event stories and promos in the beginning. You use that time to clue the viewer in on what lies ahead and highlight the bottom of the card talent to help get them over and create interest. This doesn't mean you can't sprinkle in backstage cut scenes to help move the plot of the show. But it does give a concrete direction in which to structure it and time for the whole roster to be utilized. Feel like the big names shouldn't be coming out to open the show with a drawn out promo unless it's for something really important. Running your authority figures out there to start the show each week just waters down the importance of giving them mic time. |
Fuckin A-SHOW!
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Doesn't a constant drop in Raw ratings usually lead to Vince thinking he needs to make some on-air appearances?
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I way prefer roided up Hogan
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Well, it was a very, very good Smackdown. They earned it.
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I must admit I only really watch Smackdown nowadays, Raw feels so forced and theres not really anyone there I want to watch.
So does the Raw ratings plummeting bring back Vince or HHH? Quite excited for HHH to come in completely out pof left field, squash all before him and unite all the titles in Raw before moving onto Smackdown and ending this version of the brand split. Mainly for the internet backlash, partially for the fact it might speed up WWE decline. |
HHH will come back at the Rumble and cost Rollins a chance to win the title. The seeds are all planted.
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Broken Hardy would be the man to save Raw.
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Stop trying to ruin this with facts and context |
Raw ratings take a tumble from last week's high...
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For WWE and USA the key is comparing what WWE drives in terms of viewers vs the rest of USA.
Most important for WWE is how much higher their bar is than the rest of top 25 cable. This ensures WWE will have multiple strong offers when renewal talks happen. These points are usually glossed over by the wrestling bloggers and their disciples on forums like this this one. |
Lol... Top 25 reflects average U.S. national ratings from over a year ago and excludes broadcast and premium networks.
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Not if you want a true objective picture and valuation. I do audits and valuations on music, film and television IP all the time in order to negotiate rights deals and/or sales contracts. They have the numbers and are excluding them for a reason but it's not because "they are different animals." Vince and his family might think or want to believe that "they are different animals" so it doesn't matter, but I can guarantee you that when USA or any other network does an audit to determine a valuation for the next TV rights deal with WWE, it will absolutely include everything missing in that data. |
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If your statement is Network TV rights fees are generally higher than cable, you would be correct, because they draw a larger audience. Most people know that. When it comes to ratings, you don't see it listed as every TV show ranked against one another. Ratings are ranked with cable separated from Network. Because it's apples and oranges. WWE could negotiate with the major networks, but the networks would look at WWEs numbers and likely take a pass. WWE we assume will be negotiating with USA and other cable outlets. USA is not worried about their standing vs say ABC, but they are worried about their standing vs ESPN. The negotiations will centre around what WWE will do for USAs overall standing vs other cable networks. If for example, WWEs five hours of content pulls USAs weekly average over the top 25 average, then that puts WWE in a good position. Likewise a cable network below the average will look at WWEs numbers and think this might be a way to get them above the industry average. Of course it comes down to a numbers game of how much are those additional eyeballs worth. In the Attitude Era, not much, because the WWE was seen in a more negative light. Now with the clean up of the product, you have advertisers lining up to be involved with WWE, which will raise their value even more as more can be charged for ad time. I'm happy to continue to school you on how the industry works if you'd like to PM me. |
Cynik wants this to go to PM becuase he doesnt want to get burried in public
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I'm not talking about how the ratings industry works, I understand how it works. I'm talking about how the auditing and valuation of IP works when it comes to negotiating rights deals, which you clearly know nothing about. I guarantee you that USA or any other potential network that might want WWE's TV rights, whether it's cable, broadcast, doesn't matter... when determining valuation of WWE's TV rights deal (what they should pay WWE) they will look and compare WWE's ratings with more than just other shows/networks in whichever format (whether they're broadcast, cable, etc.) they compete with. They will absolutely compare WWE's ratings with ALL networks, whether broadcast, cable, whatever. Not only will USA or any other network that offers for WWE's TV rights, require WWE to submit their own audit and expect to see WWE's ratings in comparison with ALL networks in WWE's own audit that they will submit, but they will also require WWE to consent and allow the network to perform their own audit (either internally and/or with an outside independent auditor) that will include a comparison in WWE's ratings with ALL networks. Without those comparisons, you won't get a true and accurate valuation of WWE's television rights. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that has been and will continue to be the case in the future, not just for WWE, but for any rights deals for any television shows. |
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If you were objective, you would understand that in determining a true, accurate and independent valuation of WWE's television rights, comparing WWE's ratings vs. ALL networks and not just cable is vitally important. As an attorney who works alongside those same type of folks everyday, I can assure you that the CPAs and attorneys and the execs at USA and all the other networks do. That's why they have those jobs. |
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I also find it funny that you seem to think WWE owns their TV rating information, when in reality is owned by a third party, and anyone with access to the Internet can find the data you were taking about. Pretty interesting insight from an insider though. |
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Look, it's a guy who only exists because I exist.
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Way to miss the point. If you think that negotiating TV rights fees is simple, you're dumber than you seem. I realize that WWE doesn't own their TV rating info, but anyone who negotiates with WWE for TV rights will expect WWE to present an audit and summary report with info of all of their TV ratings in comparison to all , production costs and more. Then the networks will perform an independent audit as well which WWE will have to consent to. In performing an audit to determine valuation of WWE's TV rights, USA won't care how ratings are measured and presented to the public. They'll take the ratings data and use their own index and formula for determining valuation of WWE TV rights based on WWE's ratings in comparison to ratings of ALL other shows/networks as well as numerous other factors. All the ratings data show is how WWE did vs other shows/networks. That's not the same as utilizing the ratings data in conjunction with other data and factors in order to determine a valuation of WWE's TV rights. The fact that you don't understand this concept is proof you don't know what you're talking about. |
Ratings? What do we got ova here? A cuppa...
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What you don't seem to understand is how and why USA will absolutely compare WWE's ratings to ALL other shows/networks and why WWE leaving out critical ratings data doesn't show the whole picture of WWE's TV rights valuation which is all USA and WWE really care about. I wasn't saying LOL WWE ratings are even worse than this chart shows because they're leaving out ratings info. The chart itself is LOL because it leaves out ratings info critical to WWE's financial health. WWE business affairs folks know it and USA and any other networks know it. |
Do you people care about the rating Arrow or whatever other shows you watch? Why does this matter so much to people? Serious questions.
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TV shows like that can get cancelled in the rating suck so they are more important. WWE makes too much money for the ratings to really matter until TV contract and it has nothing to do with us as it won't be cancelled.
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Put everything else aside, just explain why it's lol for WWE to show a slide comparing their cable properties to other cable properties. That's all I need to hear about. |
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I don't really follow WWE's ratings though and only learn about the ratings themselves through discussions on here. |
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Anyone who is objective will see you're right? You just created a falicy. If you go into the argument with the pretense you cant be wrong you then are not objective. Therefor you yourself can not define right or wrong. |
CyNick has the worst comprehension. Also asking people to look at his post objectively while his post are completely subjective is kind of funny.
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Besides, we all know ratings don't matter. Social media is where it's at! (Where WWE is getting DUMMIED by YouTube sensation PewDiePie!)
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That quote you love to use was a joke, but not shockingly, you failed to grasp that. |
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Money is all that matters. WWE just posted their best revenue year ever. I'm not sure what that thing you mentioned is worth. |
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Wait. That was bait. Nvrmnd. Well played. Troll's gonna troll.
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Snowday-a-mania.
Neeeeeeeeerds |
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Plus a ratings audit is very much a real thing. Just not in the way you're thinking or misrepresenting it. Any negotiations dealing with WWE's TV rights will require performance and presentation of at least 2 audits, (one provided by WWE and one by the negotiating network or an independent auditor) of which the audits will include among many other things, WWE's TV ratings data compared to ALL other networks/shows. The Nielsen ratings data provided by WWE in their audit will be compared to the Nielsen ratings data gathered by the network or independent auditor to see if there's any falsifications or mistakes in WWE's presentation of the Nielsen data. This ratings data will then be reconciled or accepted and used to determine a valuation of WWE's TV rights. |
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But what was their net gain? Batman v Superman was a high revenue movie, but nearly flopped due to actual profit.
Is WWE making their best profit? Isn't profit, not revenue, most important? |
Feel like CyNick is the Donald Trump of the boards. He's got intelligence, the best intelligence, he has experience, wonderful experience, but he doesn't really show any tangible data or facts.
He says things factually, but nothing is presented to back it up. |
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The only way the WWE having ratings that are nearly double the network's average wouldn't be a positive to their ability to get a good rights deal would be if the network couldn't sell and space during the show. As I mentioned, this is why WWE was far worse off in the Attitude Era, even though the ratings were double or more what they are today. As has been documented from recent up fronts, WWE programming has generated a long list of new A list sponsors, which makes them even more valuable. If you want to dispute that, you've got an uphill battle. But I appreciate your gumption. |
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alternative facts
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lol CyNick's day has been made by being compared with the Donald.
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The problem is you will never know what the profitability of the company would have been without The Network. I believe it would have been much lower than it is today, but that's making an assumption that WWEs PPV business was in decline. But admittedly is a debatable point. |
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He's got facts, but they're secret facts. You cant know them, but believe him, theyre good facts.
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#1fan will get that reference... No wait, he won't. Too bad. |
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#1fan is going to go home and rest before making any speeches. Low energy. Let's keep counting those votes!!
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Either way... swing and a miss, Cynick. Swing and a miss. |
CyNick is the Vince McMahon to my PewDiePie.
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