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Old 11-04-2020, 04:27 PM   #2081
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I don't think Noid even post here anymore, but nope. My issue is a respected guy in the industry like Jim Ross is saying essentially that a .32 in the demo is somehow better than a .46 average over 3 hours of Raw in that demo.

Jim Ross said AEW kicks WWE's ass every week. He did not say AEW beats NXT in that demo on Wednesdays, he said AEW kicks WWE's ass every week.

The way he put it out there is a lie. I point that out because I think it's funny. It has 0 to do with other people here, unless in this case one of the people posting here is actually Jim Ross.
Can’t say I keep up with Jim Ross. I’d have thought it was implicit that when he said “WWE” he meant “NXT” given that (to my knowledge) AEW have never beaten Raw/SmackDown in the demo.
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Old 11-04-2020, 04:56 PM   #2082
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Can’t say I keep up with Jim Ross. I’d have thought it was implicit that when he said “WWE” he meant “NXT” given that (to my knowledge) AEW have never beaten Raw/SmackDown in the demo.
Nope, he specifically mentioned WWE and Vince McMahon. He did not say NXT, Wednesday nights, or even acknowledge that NXT won the total viewers last week. It's all about 70,000 more people in that specific demo on Wednesday Nights that he is using for his claims, ignoring all other data, including the numbers WWE does in that same demo on Monday and Friday nights.

As Slik said, Raw did the lowest 3rd hour in their history, but that lowest in their history is still double the total viewers AEW does. That lowest in their history still drew 110,000 more in the demo AEW crows about.

If 70,000 more in the demo is AEW kicking ass, then what does it mean when Raw's lowest hour ever got 110,000 more than AEW gets?

If 70,000 more is a monumental victory, 110,000 more can't just be ignored when they constantly talk about WWE and how much better they are.

"BUUUT THAT'S AN ESTABLISHED SHOW, IT'S NOT FAIR " ~ AEW direct quote
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I have my doubts that that’s an “AEW direct quote”

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Old 11-05-2020, 04:06 PM   #2084
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The top 50 Wednesday night cable shows consisted entirely of news shows per Bryan Alvarez.

Neither NXT or AEW charted in the top 50.
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All things considered both NXT and AEW could have done much worse than this.


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LMAO, what a spin to describe losing 70,000 viewers!
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The top 50 Wednesday night cable shows consisted entirely of news shows per Bryan Alvarez.

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Fuck Bryan Alvarez is a fucking cunt. No shit the news was going to dominate this past week, you smug little dickless wonder. That's because more people are watching the news. Ah-doi. That doesn't mean fewer people are watching wrestling. The obsessed nerds who still punish themselves with this shit are going to watch wrestling anyway. It's not some big fucking mystery or some amazing miracle that AEW and NXT did pretty average. Most people get their news from their phones.

The thing this demonstrates is that you can actually get people to tune into cable when there is something worth watching. It's just that most of the time there isn't.
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Fox News getting their asses handed to them is great
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Basically 1.75 million for the first two hours. That’s a whole 1 million more than AEW.
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Basically 1.75 million for the first two hours. That’s a whole 1 million more than AEW.
AEW beating the Empire again by getting 1 million less viewers!
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Cody can get fucked now. Was decent when AEW first started, but it’s clear this is a vanity project.
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NBCUniversal should revamp the USA Network into their version of Fox News and just move current programming they feel like keeping to SyFy, Bravo or Peacock.

If I were them I'd cut my losses and can NXT and just move RAW as a 2 hr show to another network and see if it can help their ratings. SyFy needs all the help it can get, Bravo seems to be doing fine.
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Wow, that's gotta be disappointing for AEW. I thought they would have done better coming off a PPV. But when you're a niche product of an already niche product....

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NBCUniversal should revamp the USA Network into their version of Fox News and just move current programming they feel like keeping to SyFy, Bravo or Peacock.

If I were them I'd cut my losses and can NXT and just move RAW as a 2 hr show to another network and see if it can help their ratings. SyFy needs all the help it can get, Bravo seems to be doing fine.
You are joking right?

USA had Smackdown for about $200 million.
NXT get half the rating Smackdown did for USA, but it cost them 4 times less. Simple deduction suggests USA is getting a bargain.

Also, TNT should cancel Dynamite, because it gets only 100,000 more viewers than the show you think should be cancelled, and unlike USA/WWE, TNT has no long-standing relationship with that promotion. AEW is not a continuation of WCW, no matter how hard they try to pretend it is.
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NBCUniversal should revamp the USA Network into their version of Fox News and just move current programming they feel like keeping to SyFy, Bravo or Peacock.

If I were them I'd cut my losses and can NXT and just move RAW as a 2 hr show to another network and see if it can help their ratings. SyFy needs all the help it can get, Bravo seems to be doing fine.
How would moving to a less known network help them? Raw is 3 hours because that third hour performs really well for the slot. The first 2 hours also help the network out tremendously. Raw is more valuable to the USA Network than Dynamite is to TNT.

NXT is incredibly cheap programming that draws close to what Dynamite gets, but is also PG and has the WWE branding to boost its value with advertisers. They also don't split ad revenue with WWE for it. If AEW took in the same amount of ad revenue as NXT, they're only half as valuable to TNT out the gate, then you've got to work in the TV rights fees.

USA is laughing at the TV deal they've got for NXT. It's possible that in the future TNT regrets their current configuration with AEW, because they'll want that ad revenue money.

NXT has helped capped AEW's audience, which is niche anyway. But there's 200k or so people who would watch Dynamite if NXT weren't also on at the same time. That keeps their popularity at a certain level that is going to make them a flea when it comes to TV rights negotiations in a few years time. You want WWE numbers? You need WWE for that. That's the plan. WWE aren't moving NXT to "win" a ratings "war." But TNT might move Dynamite if they feel they can get the audience to follow it to a different slot and if they get the idea that they can bump up viewership by 200k to maximize what they can out of it. That's when WWE actually counter-program them with some weight and AEW drops to about 600k on a Tuesday, because it will be a Triple H produced show with main roster talent. TNT, who would have been expecting 950k-1 million viewers at the new time would be extremely disappointed and someone has egg on their face and that rolls downhill. Plus, NXT would be unopposed then and would probably be doing about 800k viewers.

So Vince ends up with SmackDown, Raw, a new show and NXT as the top four in wrestling with Dynamite and the TNT Cody Hour or whatever they call it scrapping up fifth and sixth. Marathon not a sprint.
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I heard Raw is only on Monday night's because WWE knew that years later AEW would want to put a Monday Night show on the air. It's totally true! Even though Raw has been on Monday Nights for YEARS before AEW even existed, Raw is still only airing on Mondays to hurt AEW.
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And even though Raw is beating AEW in the ratings, AEW is still the hot thing with the kids.
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Remember how AEW was making fun of NXT for "hotshotting" a theme show with Halloween Havoc (even though they did the exact same thing with Bash at the Beach (before Cody traded that and FIVE other trademarks so he could be Rhodes (thus beating the empire!)))?

It's cool though, that they are gonna hotshot a World Title match on free TV to pop an extra 50,000 viewers, right?

AEW LOGIC!!!
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Was AEW actually making fun of NXT for ”hotshotting” a theme show or are you doing that weird thing where you take a scenario that happened in your mind while you were laying in bed seething about AEW and then come here to argue against it?
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I know that AEW super fans accuse NXT of hot-shotting all the time and consider Tony Khan a smart and restrained booker with ideas for years. I’ve legitimately seen people say that Sasha vs. Io was wasting a dream match on free TV because NXT is “desperate.”
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This is getting embarrassing for WWE. AEW is just pounding them week after week. You hate to see it.
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This is getting embarrassing for WWE. AEW is just pounding them week after week. You hate to see it.
Yeah, look at how bad SmackDown is sucking. It’s only the third most popular thing with women 18-49. Keep trying, shirtless Roman Reigns. Nobody wants to see that anymore!
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I have AEW superfans trying to tell me that AEW is beating Raw when it comes to making new fans. This past week, Raw got a 0.56 for its first two hours versus AEW’s 0.3. It’s a 0.53 if you add the third hour (which obviously handicaps Raw).

An average of 0.31 in people 18-34, more than doubling AEW’s 0.14. A 0.25 in girls and women under 35 and a 0.33 in boys and men in the same age bracket for Raw. 0.13 and 0.12 for AEW. It’s double for girls and almost TRIPLE for boys.

Can we just stop the bullshit about this being even close to as popular? They got 45% of the viewership, 57% of the “key” demo, 45% of the adults under 35, 52% of women and girls, and only 33% of boys and men. And that’s while producing 33.3% extra content through their second most popular show.

Yep, WWE must be shaking about those TV contracts coming up.
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