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Old 09-03-2015, 03:29 AM   #18801
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Old 09-03-2015, 03:56 AM   #18802
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Old 09-03-2015, 04:03 AM   #18803
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:14 AM   #18805
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Old 09-03-2015, 09:53 AM   #18806
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Old 09-03-2015, 09:55 AM   #18807
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Old 09-03-2015, 09:57 AM   #18808
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For a second there, I thought you were referencing the beginning of Big Show's theme.

Then I noticed it said "WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" and now "WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL".
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:08 AM   #18809
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So these "Robot Hat Clips" are a thing.

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Old 09-03-2015, 10:08 AM   #18810
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:12 AM   #18811
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:52 AM   #18812
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I'm not talking about stings case I'm talking about how you said "Brand A should always look better than Brand B if they are owned by Brand A"
In the long run they should. Its fine for Hall and Nash to have early success. But WCW should have booked to be the cooler brand and win out in the end. They did it the other way and it killed the brand ultimately.
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:56 AM   #18813
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In the case of Sting vs HHH its a wash, Sting winning made more sense storyline wise since after the match HHH seemed to drift away anyways.

However the is still more money to be made out of HHH than there is to be made out of Sting.

Financially it makes sense for HHH to go over.
It made sense if you are telling the Sting comes to WWE finally and conquers one of their biggest stars of all time. I dont think that story is good for businrss
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:00 AM   #18814
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Except they're now using Sting in a title match. Whoops.

Also, Sting vs. Triple H should NEVER have been about WCW vs. WWE. Why the fuck would Sting come to fight for WCW's pride and honor FOURTEEN YEARS after the company has sank? He clearly showed up because he had a problem with the abuse of power The Authority was wielding. At least, that should have been the reason he came back.

They also ran the nWo out there who were Sting's mortal enemies. Trust me, I've tried to rationalize this like you have, but it's just too much work and glossing over history to try and sell history. It was bad. Then Triple H came out in a suit later for a promo in the middle of the ring. Great war, dude.
That may be how you see it, but if you actually watched how WWE built up the match leading up to Mania, there was a tie in with the Monday Night Wars and how Sting was the last hold out from WCW.

No doubt he picked the fight because of the abuse of power, but in the WWE Universe, Sting was there to v settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting.

Within the realm of that storyline, HHH had to go over. And it's not even debatable in my mind.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:16 AM   #18815
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the choice to make that the storyline was fucking dumb and unnecessary
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Old 09-03-2015, 12:51 PM   #18816
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:37 PM   #18817
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Old 09-03-2015, 04:27 PM   #18818
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Imagine the heat Triple H/Seth Rollins tension they are trying to build would have if Rollins was trying to beat the guy that beat Triple H? As it stands, Rollins NEEDS to beat a guy that Triple H beat in order to be as good as the guy who stands around in a suit, even though he's meant to be the fucking champion.

They could have had Seth Rollins beat Sting, causing an insecure rift to develop between Triple H and Seth Rollins -- leading to Triple H turning on his prodigy and having clearly defined face/heel lines. As it stands, if Seth loses the World Title to Sting and Triple H and Stephanie McMahon drop him, how does Seth really have any sympathy or credibility?
Is clear they are building to a rift.

If they didn't go heavy on the Monday Night Wars slant to the Mania angle, then sure you COULD have gone that route. But it becomes a different story to the one they seem to be telling with Rollins and HHH.

Hunter is not just some random heel manager. He's one of the top guys in WWE history. The story to me seems to be one of the father who has accomplished so much that the bar he set is almost too high to jump over. Seth had to slowly jump over each bar. At some point the father gets pissed that he's being passed and turns on him.

To me the angle has more legs if Rollins beats Sting clear AFTER already facing John Cena. I don't think Sting is the guy you want to go to the wall with and say Hunter can't beat. But if Rollins can cut a promo and say I beat Sting on my own and after fighting John Cena, that gives him his small notch on the belt over HHH. Its a subtle dig, but not strong enough to light the fuse to ignite the fight.

I don't think there's much chance Rollins drops the title to Sting. More likely is Sheamus walks out of Night of Champions with the belt. But my prediction is that happens in the Network Garden special.

Either way, the storyline is roughly the same. You just think it makes sense to have HHH JOB to Sting. I think that's a gross waste of a Hunter JOB. Hunter should be putting over Rollins at some point. That means more the stronger HHH is going into that match. Sting is irrelevant in the big picture.
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Old 09-03-2015, 04:28 PM   #18819
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I love you CyNick, sorry; but I just refuse to accept Triple H going over was the right choice. And I don't blame Triple H. His NXT guys had the sense to put Jushin Liger over Tyler Breeze. Reports say that it was Sting's wish, but someone needed to tell that dude to shut the fuck up and make some money. Be humble when you're against a young guy in a few months.
Do you think Sting is a bigger star than Triple H?
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Old 09-03-2015, 04:51 PM   #18820
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PWI 2015 500
1 Seth Rollins
2 John Cena
3 A.J. Styles
4 Roman Reigns
5 Shinsuke Namakura
6 Randy Orton
7 Jay Briscoe
8 Alexander Rusev
9 Alberto El Patrón
10 Kevin Owens
11 Hiroshi Tanahashi
12 Dolph Ziggler
13 Dean Ambrose
14 Daniel Bryan
15 Adrian Neville
16 Prince Puma (Ricochet)
17 Jay Lethal
18 Bobby Lashley
19 Minoru Suzuki
20 King Barrett
21 Bray Wyatt
22 Bobby Roode
23 Sami Zayn
24 Luke Harper
25 Kurt Angle

How is Bryan so high for basically wrestling about what..3 matches in the past 15 months
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Old 09-03-2015, 05:36 PM   #18821
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PWI 2015 500
1 Seth Rollins
2 John Cena
3 A.J. Styles
4 Roman Reigns
5 Shinsuke Namakura
6 Randy Orton
7 Jay Briscoe
8 Alexander Rusev
9 Alberto El Patrón
10 Kevin Owens
11 Hiroshi Tanahashi
12 Dolph Ziggler
13 Dean Ambrose
14 Daniel Bryan
15 Adrian Neville
16 Prince Puma (Ricochet)
17 Jay Lethal
18 Bobby Lashley
19 Minoru Suzuki
20 King Barrett
21 Bray Wyatt
22 Bobby Roode
23 Sami Zayn
24 Luke Harper
25 Kurt Angle

How is Bryan so high for basically wrestling about what..3 matches in the past 15 months
Been reading about the explanations and the biggest criteria seems to be titles held and standing in a company. He's barely wrestled or been on tv within the past year but arguably still the WWE's #2/#3 top star so that gives him a huge advantage for the list making.

Rollins goes ahead of Cena because WWE title > US title since both guys tie on #1 status as heel and face. Same for Reigns being #4 because he's still in the grooming spot as the next mega star.

Everything else like matches done, feuds, wrestling skills, charisma/gimmick, etc seems to be more of tie breaker stuff.
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PWI 2015 500
1 Seth Rollins
2 John Cena
3 A.J. Styles
4 Roman Reigns
5 Shinsuke Namakura
6 Randy Orton
7 Jay Briscoe
8 Alexander Rusev
9 Alberto El Patrón
10 Kevin Owens
11 Hiroshi Tanahashi
12 Dolph Ziggler
13 Dean Ambrose
14 Daniel Bryan
15 Adrian Neville
16 Prince Puma (Ricochet)
17 Jay Lethal
18 Bobby Lashley
19 Minoru Suzuki
20 King Barrett
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How is Bryan so high for basically wrestling about what..3 matches in the past 15 months
Where is Finn Balor? Are they daft? He needs to be higher than most.
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Huh? Madison Rayne got married to some army guy 4 years ago. Are you sure about this?
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I guess the joke is on Michael Cole now.
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That may be how you see it, but if you actually watched how WWE built up the match leading up to Mania, there was a tie in with the Monday Night Wars and how Sting was the last hold out from WCW.

No doubt he picked the fight because of the abuse of power, but in the WWE Universe, Sting was there to v settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting.

Within the realm of that storyline, HHH had to go over. And it's not even debatable in my mind.
Sting actually said "This isn't about WCW". Nice try.

Also, that storyline is dumb. Triple H vs. Sting does not need to about WWE vs. WCW in the first place. You don't bring in Sting to be WCW. You bring in Sting to be Sting.

And -- even if this was WWE vs. WCW -- the idea that you always need to put over WWE is also incorrect. You don't need to do that. Sometimes it actually helps to give he rub to the "invaders" or the new guys. The home team going over is one of those myths that a lot of people keep alive -- like long title reigns are automatically better than short title reigns.

I was listening to Kevin Sullivan talking about the WCW/New Japan program on his podcast, and the co-host, MSL, said "Obviously WCW had to go over, but..." and Sullivan actually revealed that he was more entertained by the idea of New Japan going over, because you could have build up a major Japanese star, kept the relationship with them strong, and at that point they were paying WCW $1,000,000 a year. Plus, it'd present WCW as underdogs. That's a good way to get the people behind you.

WWE own WCW. So there's not even proper logic behind protecting your own investments anymore. By dragging up WCW from the dead and kicking it back down, you are just shitting on your own intellectual property.
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Sting actually said "this isn't about WCW" before WrestleMania then the match happened and it was.
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Also, while Sting said "This isn't about WCW", all of the promo packages, and Triple H and Steph, all said it was about WCW.
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Do you think Sting is a bigger star than Triple H?
Honestly? Yes. I had heard of him and read about him before becoming a wrestling fan. Triple H is established within the WWE paradigm. But don't worry -- if WCW had won the war and Triple H was finally signing with WCW and facing Sting at Starrcade, I'd be calling for Triple H to beat Sting too. It's about convincing your audience that this guy is/still is a big star.
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It almost felt like Sting coming out and saying "This isn't about avenging WCW...that would be ridiculous at this point" made Vince realize that he totally COULD make it about WCW so he could remind everyone (once again) that he won the Monday Night War.
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Also, while Sting said "This isn't about WCW", all of the promo packages, and Triple H and Steph, all said it was about WCW.
So the babyface is a liar and the heels are soothsayers? Awesome.
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It almost felt like Sting coming out and saying "This isn't about avenging WCW...that would be ridiculous at this point" made Vince realize that he totally COULD make it about WCW so he could remind everyone (once again) that he won the Monday Night War.
Bingo.

I have no inside knowledge, of course, but the whole thing felt like Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn got their hands on the match, and produced it with no real knowledge about what WCW was about during the Attitude era, and had the face on the heel side and lose, because that's what a good heel does at WrestleMania. To the heel on the face side, of course.
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Also, no idea how "Sting was there to settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting." makes sense in that context.

Their differences with Sting were that they wanted to kill WCW and Sting was the face of WCW. So they're willing to put those differences aside to... help Sting/WCW defeat HHH/WWF?
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That's why it had the mark of guys who weren't too informed of the WCW product.

I've tried to justify this in my mind. I've told myself that old enemies can become friends when they look back at all the money they made beating each other up. I told myself that it was about that specific era, and just where they happened to fall in the battle lines, and it was a nostalgic battle of pride. I've told myself that Sting wanted to avenge the Invasion loss, has been training for fourteen years and had no clue that the nWo were going to come out and help him.

It all falls short of what the desirable booking of that match was -- Sting showing up in the WWE for the first-time in history, and beating the living PISS out of Triple H. Fuck, Triple H let Ronda Rousey upstage him later in the show. He knows how to do that business. Look at the work he did for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania XXX. He knew what his role was. This should have been a squash match before it was Triple H going over. Hell, I'd have suggested they do an Ultimate Warrior-esque "Pedigree has no effect" spot at some point during the match. Make the guy special.

But ideally, Triple H would have done his best Ric Flair tribute, gone after a leg, only for Sting to battle back and win. The classic story. Instead they threw gimmicks on top of the gimmicks, overbooked it, and Triple H didn't even look good for winning.
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The nWo vs. DX shit was so over the top that I almost wondered if they were planning on doing something utterly ridiculous like a nWo vs. DX tag match at SummerSlam. In 2015. Instead the involvement from the 2 stables was never mentioned again.
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