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Old 05-07-2018, 01:21 AM   #41761
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Survivor Series 2014.

Everything about his big showing at the event and the push afterwards was originally meant for Reigns. Its why WWE quickly pulled the plug on Ziggy afterwards since they didn't want that rub to stick to him.
Oh, where he was the survivor that pulled the team from the brink? I pretty much forgot that happened, so their tactic worked on me at least.
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:31 AM   #41762
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Eli Drake is what happens when you take the worst qualities of The Miz, throw them into the local firefighter who thinks he's a local legend, and then get them to pretend to be The Rock without any natural charisma or personality. He is abysmal. I would rather see Braun Strowman try and wrestle for an hour than listen to one Eli Drake promo.
Eli seems to have gotten somehow more generic than the Dollar Tree Rock he established himself as. The only upside I see is that he's one of the few "homegrown" guys they put much into. He's still pretty shit, but at least he's their shit than someone who made their name in WWE first with an instant rocket up their ass or got misused into near oblivion like Matt Morgan or Kazuchka Okada.
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:39 AM   #41764
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... about as much as Asuka winning the first ever women's Royal Rumble for the honor of jobbing to Ric Flair's kid. But hey, their names will forever be on WWE's ever growing list of "first ever _____", ... unless they rub the company the wrong way in future and get scrubbed from history.
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Old 05-07-2018, 01:43 AM   #41765
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Old 05-07-2018, 12:49 PM   #41767
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Corbin really shouldn't be driving that.

If he does, then he has to wear a hat.

A balding man with long stringy hair driving around in a red Ferrari just screams "Midlife Crisis".
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Jessamyn Duke and Marina Shafir have reported to the Performance Center. So it looks like the Horsewomen angle is going to happen after all.
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Jessamyn Duke and Marina Shafir have reported to the Performance Center. So it looks like the Horsewomen angle is going to happen after all.
flair may have to rebuild her team, baily and sasha do not cut it anymore and beckey is on thin ice.
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:30 PM   #41772
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I don't know about epic. I mean you know I'm a huge wrestling fan and I've never seen a Sara Del Ray match. I actually had to google who Sara Amato was. And just using me as a bar, if I don't know who that is, how would that be epic for that confrontation to take place? What I'm saying is if I don't know who Sara Amato is, how would the majority of The Universe?

I guess they could run some promo's about Ronda's training and have clips of Sara mentoring Ronda and talking about how awesome she is. Only for after Ronda gets her first singles victory to look upon the stage to see Sara. Sara walks down, they hug, hands are raised in victory and then BAM. Whatever Sara's move is. "I GAVE YOU EVERYTHING AND YOU NEVER GAVE ME ANYTHING! NOW I'M GOING TO TAKE IT ALL AWAY"... But still, she'd better be awesome because I don't know who she is.
I was using epic in a relative sense. It'd be about her presence and the idea that the woman who puts together the women's matches for them would be wrestling in one. It wouldn't be a consciously cognitive response for many people, but the only audience left is one that would contain enough people to pop at the idea and the rest are sheep that will follow.

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at the rumor going around the net hinting WWE is going to reform American Alphas when Jordan comes back.

Both guys singles careers have been pretty much busts in terms of direction since WWE doesn't know what to do with Gable and Jordan's "Son of Angle" story was terrible.
The Jason Jordan storyline is the perfect example of how nothing matters in WWE anymore. It should have killed Jordan dead, talented as he is, but they can literally just jam it down your throat week after week until you roll over and accept it.

Chad Gable has got serious babyface potential. I don't think WWE wants to see it though.
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:50 PM   #41773
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:03 PM   #41774
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Remember Paul London? I used to love that guy. It's a shame that his attitude and WWE didn't really mix. He was up there for a good five years though, back during a time when they didn't keep everybody around forever. He was one of the first indy darlings to take WWE up on an offer, and probably got there a few years too early, but they probably needed someone to go up in that experimental rocket and not catch on so that the CM Punks and Daniel Bryans of the world could follow.

But for a long time Paul London was in that discussion of the top talent not in WWE. He was right up there with AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, CM Punk and Bryan Danielson. There's a parallel universe where he doesn't sign with the WWE as early as he does, doesn't smack up against politics, makes better personal decisions and doesn't burn out, and probably signs with the WWE sometime this decade and ends up getting a huge push as the hottest free agent to come to WWE in a long time.
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:09 PM   #41775
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London and Kendrick had like a 3 hour shoot interview special a year or two after they'd both left WWE. They were high as a kite and it was fucking hilarious. Kendrick called Vince a cocksucker, and London said he'd be happy when Vince was dead.

Kinda amazing Kendrick managed to work up enough goodwill to come back, really.
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:13 PM   #41776
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All you need to do is eat humble pie. If London called Triple H and was like "Look, I was young and stupid and a frustrated struggling artist," I think the door would be open to him. I doubt they would ever push him to the moon, but they see value in Kendrick, because he's adjusted his mentality and serves a function both on-camera and behind the scenes. It's just a case of whether or not London would want to, and I think his decision to stay away is as valid as Kendrick's to go back.
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Would be surreal if London showed up in NXT, had a great match with Adam Cole, they promoted him to the main roster and he and Kendrick had a really entertaining feud with The New Day or something, and they ended up moving tons of merch because they actually let them talk and have personalities this time, and Vince McMahon was in these photos hugging London and shit. I give it close to a 0% chance of happening, but stranger things have happened.
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Didn't London once get punished by the WWE because he accidentally smiled during the Vince limo explosion segment?

A more competent company would have been able to parlay that flub into something interesting but instead he got berated by Steph or someone else for "ruining" the segment since WWE doesn't like to flex their plans.
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God, that pissed me off at the time. London is an idiot for not being able to read the situation, but there was no storyline reason for him to do anything else. It was a case of all wrestlers being gentrified and basically falling into "stand at the top of the ramp and forget who you are feuding with" mode, and it being the wrong time to try and stand out.

I don't think London should have been surprised by the heat that he got, but there's something to the point of WWE having stupid fucking tropes that make no sense. And I think he was tarred with the brush of having "no personality" because anyone small that came from the indies is someone that obviously can't talk. I actually remember him being pretty awful at promos, haha, but he never got a chance to develop that gimmick or personality, which is there and comes out more readily throughout his performance. But he and Kendrick almost never got the chance to say anything and then it was supposed to be a surprise when they didn't get any more over than they were heading in as exciting flippy guys?
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There was an episode of Raw where Edge was feuding with Triple H, and Edge got assistance from Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch. They sent London & Kendrick, who were feuding with Cade & Murdoch at the time, out there to help run off the heels. "Cool, six-man tag" I thought. Triple H then Pedigrees Paul London as Brian Kendrick has to stand around like a fucking goof as Triple H just plays around with his buddy. Then Kendrick also got a Pedigree and Raw fucking sucked.

That was like a decade ago. I doubt Triple H has changed as much as people say he has. I think he just signs those sorts of guys now so that he can get over as the savior of wrestling, just like he tried to get over as a heel by working the internet fans too. They used to make him so insecure, haha.
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London & Kendrick and Gregory Helms were basically the SmackDown marketing over here in 2006/2007, because if you remember, SmackDown fucking sucked that year. They were all over the commercials to try and make it look exciting, haha.
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Any of you guys ever read Capitol Revolution by Tim Hornbaker? It's a book on the history of WWE that takes you from Jess McMahon and Toots Mondt founding the company to just before Vince Jr.'s national expansion. Definitely would recommend if you wanna learn about the stars of the company's early history like Antonino Rocca, Buddy Rogers, Johnny Valentine, Dr. Jerry Graham, Karl Von Hess, Killer Kowalski and Bobo Brazil. Imagine tag teams headlining and drawing like Fabulous Kangaroos, Antonino Rocca and Miguel Pérez, Graham Brothers, Tolos Brothers and Don Curtis and Mark Lewin.
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Any of you guys ever read Capitol Revolution by Tim Hornbaker? It's a book on the history of WWE that takes you from Jess McMahon and Toots Mondt founding the company to just before Vince Jr.'s national expansion. Definitely would recommend if you wanna learn about the stars of the company's early history like Antonino Rocca, Buddy Rogers, Johnny Valentine, Dr. Jerry Graham, Karl Von Hess, Killer Kowalski and Bobo Brazil. Imagine tag teams headlining and drawing like Fabulous Kangaroos, Antonino Rocca and Miguel Pérez, Graham Brothers, Tolos Brothers and Don Curtis and Mark Lewin.
Adored that book. His N.W.A book is tremendous too.
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God, I'm remembering 2006 now:

* Edge losing the WWE Title in three weeks

* John Cena coming down on a spaceship

* "Kurt Angle doesn't know how to work heel"

* Rey Mysterio riding the legacy of Eddie

* WrestleMania 22 feeling like everybody was working with the wrong opponent

* Vince & Shane vs. Shawn & God

* DX reunion

* Big Show's ass

* "Sure, Vince -- we'll give those OVW guys a chance"

* Joey Styles not being good enough to call Backlash

* ECW

* Kurt Angle leaving

* The Great Khali's initial push

* Rey's title reign

* December to Dismember being a show where I could literally feel the death of Paul Heyman's passion for wrestling

* Here you go, Brent Albright -- we're going to throw you onto SmackDown with no fanfare or promotion, and you new name is "Gunner Scott"

* Mark Henry was not Hall of Pain Mark yet

* TNA hires Kurt Angle! Then they also hire Vince Russo...
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Any of you guys ever read Capitol Revolution by Tim Hornbaker? It's a book on the history of WWE that takes you from Jess McMahon and Toots Mondt founding the company to just before Vince Jr.'s national expansion. Definitely would recommend if you wanna learn about the stars of the company's early history like Antonino Rocca, Buddy Rogers, Johnny Valentine, Dr. Jerry Graham, Karl Von Hess, Killer Kowalski and Bobo Brazil. Imagine tag teams headlining and drawing like Fabulous Kangaroos, Antonino Rocca and Miguel Pérez, Graham Brothers, Tolos Brothers and Don Curtis and Mark Lewin.
You'd think that given the shift in how Vince McMahon wants his stars to presented, tag team wrestling would have made more of a comeback. I suppose he does occasionally put a super-team together and did run with DX and tried a tag team main event in 2011. And there was The Shield. But with the WWE brand being the most important thing to Vince when it comes to drawing, I'm surprised he hasn't pushed a tag team as the centerpiece of a show, so he can have more stars, as he defines them.
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The sad thing is that they're not even a bad-bad in the sense that things went wrong. That is just how bland-bad they are these days. In many ways, the show went off exactly as it was supposed to.
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That was like a decade ago. I doubt Triple H has changed as much as people say he has. I think he just signs those sorts of guys now so that he can get over as the savior of wrestling, just like he tried to get over as a heel by working the internet fans too. They used to make him so insecure, haha.
I can kinda get what you're saying as I kinda feel the same way about Triple H.

For the longest time, I've always thought Triple H's views and actions towards NXT hasn't always been 100% genuine and has had other reasons behind what he and the WWE put out there.

I just can't help but think that if NXT was around from 2002-2005, Triple H would be nowhere near as invested as he is with NXT now. In fact, I think he would actually be against the idea all together and try to get that across to Vince via Stephanie.

I just find it weird that all the big indy names didn't make it to the WWE until Triple H had quietly retreated from the main event scene and full time wrestling.

It's kinda like he thought "I've had my fun and been the centre of attention for a good period of time, now I don't wrestle so much, so I can now get those good indy guys here and look forward to the praise I'll get from the fans and those guys on the internet."

Something like that anyway.

It's hard to put into words but hopefully you all understand what I'm getting at.
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* WrestleMania 22 feeling like everybody was working with the wrong opponent
WrestleMania 22 was pretty bad.

It didn't feel like WrestleMania at all.

It felt very low-key for WrestleMania.
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I can kinda get what you're saying as I kinda feel the same way about Triple H.

For the longest time, I've always thought Triple H's views and actions towards NXT hasn't always been 100% genuine and has had other reasons behind what he and the WWE put out there.

I just can't help but think that if NXT was around from 2002-2005, Triple H would be nowhere near as invested as he is with NXT now. In fact, I think he would actually be against the idea all together and try to get that across to Vince via Stephanie.

I just find it weird that all the big indy names didn't make it to the WWE until Triple H had quietly retreated from the main event scene and full time wrestling.

It's kinda like he thought "I've had my fun and been the centre of attention for a good period of time, now I don't wrestle so much, so I can now get those good indy guys here and look forward to the praise I'll get from the fans and those guys on the internet."

Something like that anyway.

It's hard to put into words but hopefully you all understand what I'm getting at.
I know 100% what you mean, and I concur.

They've spent millions on this performance facility, and they run NXT at a deficit. In that time, which wrestlers has it produced? Charlotte? Bliss? Braun? I'll even give them Roman. But what about that list of talent is significantly better than the ones that would come out of OVW?

It feels like a vanity project to me. Functionality-wise, NXT has failed to create new stars. If it is supposed to function as developmental, I really think it's overrated. Tom Prichard in a warehouse would probably get better results.
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:36 PM   #41793
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It was just two years ago that Triple H made sure he was in the biggest main event, in terms of attendance, in WrestleMania history. That ego is still there. He's switched from putting himself over this talent to getting them to put over what a visionary he is. All the heels he crowns champions are secondary to him -- see: Rollins, Seth; Owens, Kevin -- and there's that whole Jinder thing from last year (which was actually hilarious).

I dunno, I'm just not on the "Triple H is good for wrestling" bandwagon. I think his ego is in fostering that image for himself while Vince is in power.
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:39 PM   #41794
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WrestleMania 22 was pretty bad.

It didn't feel like WrestleMania at all.

It felt very low-key for WrestleMania.
I remember being very...meh at the show. Edge, Shawn Michaels, John Cena and The Undertaker all felt like they were in the wrong matches. The only thing that actually felt right heading into the show was Mickie/Trish, and that's why it was my favorite thing on the show. Shawn and Vince had a fun match, and Edge and Foley delivered what they were trying to deliver, but I couldn't enjoy them because they felt...disjointed from where the story should be.
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You'd think that given the shift in how Vince McMahon wants his stars to presented, tag team wrestling would have made more of a comeback. I suppose he does occasionally put a super-team together and did run with DX and tried a tag team main event in 2011. And there was The Shield. But with the WWE brand being the most important thing to Vince when it comes to drawing, I'm surprised he hasn't pushed a tag team as the centerpiece of a show, so he can have more stars, as he defines them.
Not sure what his thing w/ tag teams are. Recently I read that ratings spike when New Day is on.
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His dad was the same way about tag teams. On MSG shows they were mainly on last and would go to curfew draws quite a bit, back when being on last didn't mean being the main event. Title changes more often than not happened on the weekly T.V.You'd never see the IC belt and World Title change hands in T.V. It's never been booked as the Centrepiece of the promotion.
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Old 05-08-2018, 01:09 AM   #41798
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If rumors are to be believed, seems the reason why Cena and Nikki broke up is a lot more juicer than previously told.

Supposedly Nikki didn't break up with Cena because she finally got fed up with his marriage and children non-commitment but instead because she found out he was cheating on her.

May or may not have involved Becky since she broke up with her own boyfriend around the same time Nikki's breakup went public and she upposedly has been hanging out with Cena.

If its true, that would be the 2nd relationship in a row for Cena that ended with him getting busted for cheating.
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I actually read online today that he might be screwing Carmella
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