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Old 05-08-2020, 09:54 PM   #55201
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From June 5. 2000 to June 12 2000 your WWF and WCW Hardcore champions were Gerald Brisco and Eric Bischoff
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Old 05-09-2020, 12:38 AM   #55202
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WWE Untold: I am The Game is quite a ride. Although I do question the historical accuracy at times.

Eager to watch some new episodes of the "Dark Side of The Ring" series.
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I watched that Untold episode. Other than them trying to sell HHH as a “marquee name” (in his own use of the words) I don’t recall too much in the way of historical inaccuracy.
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With Austin & Taker out injured and The Rock becoming the #1 babyface, Triple H was the #1 heel and a marquee name for WWF at the turn of the millennium because of that series with Foley. Triple H said they were trying to establish him as a marquee name from the summer of 99 and you can’t argue that he hasn’t been a marquee name for 20 years now. Is he on the Mt. Rushmore with Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Flair? No, but he is easily one of the 20 biggest stars in the history of wrestling and one of the top 5 stars since the turn of the millennium.
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The fact that you even bring up him being on the Mount Rushmore of wrestlers, even if only to say he isn't, is fucking laughable.
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I will say that Triple H’s run is much more tolerable in hindsight but it’s only because the product has somehow gotten progressively worse since his reign of terror. Sometimes I wonder if his entire plan now that he has some control is to make people think he was better than he actually was by making wrestling unbelievably bad.
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It also helps when you're banging the bosses daughter and book yourself to never lose. He dragged that show down for 5 years.

He's like maybe in the top 200 stars
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2002-2003 was the drizzling shits, but his run from 99 to his injury in 01 was great. I blame bad storylines (02) and shitty opponents (03) more than anything. Even then, you got the HBK return and start of feud in there that’s pretty fucking good. 2004-Jan 2007/quad tear #2 was pretty good with the matches with Benoit/HBK/Batista/Cena/Flair. The DX reunion skits were average, but the matches were good. He run on SmackDown! was good wrestling Edge, Jeff Hardy, etc. He couldn’t pull shit out of Khali and Kozlov but who could? WM25 got crippled by shitty booking. Then, after that he’s part time and pretty much doing 1 offs at Mania. Sheamus match was good. Taker matches were classic. Brock was good. Bryan was a classic. Sting was a fun story, and the finish made sense at the time. The reigns match was more about Reigns being a black hole of fan support at the time. Rollins was a great match. The Rousey mix tag was tremendous. Batista match was better than it had any right to be and that’s because HHH carried it. The international shows in recent years are what they are, but I wouldn’t classify them as bad.
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JamesSteele sounds like he just read off a Donald Trump speech.

2002 and 2003 were the shits because HHH beat everyone to a pulp, got rid of the IC title because he only wanted the World Title to matter and forced everyone to listen to 25 minute promo segments. Also the ratings tanked because he was so bad.

He's realistically a Hardcore Holly level heel
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2000 HHH was fucking amazing, he had great matches at Rumble/NWO, Backlash and Judgment Day (vs Rock), Fully Loaded (vs Jericho), SummerSlam (vs Rock & Angle), Unforgiven (vs Angle), and No Mercy (vs Benoit). It went sideways with Austin’s return.
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With Austin & Taker out injured and The Rock becoming the #1 babyface, Triple H was the #1 heel and a marquee name for WWF at the turn of the millennium because of that series with Foley. Triple H said they were trying to establish him as a marquee name from the summer of 99 and you can’t argue that he hasn’t been a marquee name for 20 years now. Is he on the Mt. Rushmore with Hogan, Austin, Rock, and Flair? No, but he is easily one of the 20 biggest stars in the history of wrestling and one of the top 5 stars since the turn of the millennium.
If I recall correctly HHH himself described a “Marquee Name” as someone who’s name alone (I.e. without an opponent) brings people in. He was trying to get there, I don’t think he did.

His reputation is that he’s the guy that works with the guy that gets people through the door. He’s been great in that role.
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My entire memory of Triple H is teenage me wishing he wasn't always in the main event.
Triple H being force fed to me is one of the reasons I was so happy when Kurt Angle came on the scene. You now had a way better heel who was also a way better athlete.

Triple H was definitely a good wrestler and his matches were never too bad but everyone got bored of him as a main eventer because his place was as a jockish anti-hero in DX.
I never wanted to see anyone chase Triple H for the belt because I didn't think beating him was a big deal. They oversold him, tried to make him way too evil to be taken seriously.

Didn't he break JR's arm or was that Austin in a weird heel moment?
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Old 05-09-2020, 11:17 AM   #55214
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I will say that he was given some fucking great angles though. Stuff that would have been better for someone else but that I have very fond memories of.

That best of 5 matches to get a title shot angle is possibly my favourite non PPV show ever.
I couldn't have enjoyed that if the matches and the atmosphere were off in any major way.

I still think that angle would have been dynamite for Foley, Austin or The Rock though. A one night, 5 match run against 5 main eventer just to earn a shot at the belt. A heel running the gauntlet seems odd.
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Old 05-09-2020, 11:21 AM   #55215
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His 2000 was great. One year, that's it.
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What year was his iron-man with Rock in? I liked that one.
I think he nearly got a fall with a fucking sleeper hold.
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Apparently that was 2000 and he did get a fall with a sleeper.
That match was tits. I need to see it again.
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Even then, as great years go... he wouldn't have been shit without the Rock being there. HHH, at his best, is an effective supporting cast member.
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Watching it when I was younger I always wanted to see him lose and that is because he was playing the heel most the time. I remember his match against Jericho on Raw which I loved mainly because of being a massive Y2J mark and the hate I had for HHH when the decision was reversed.
To me he was the perfect foil at that time against Rock and Austin.
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...so he is the most effective heel in the history of professional wrestling? I agree.
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My fav Triple H was from when he was just starting all the "The Game" and "My Time" stuff, and had that feud with Cactus Jack.
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For the most part the issue with HHH isn’t in the ring, with a few exceptions (vs Steiner top of the list). It’s the amount of people cut off at the legs in order to keep him propped up.

Booker T, RVD, Kane all in a short spell. Now, these aren’t guys that were gonna lead to another boom period by any means, but they ended up being made less by these losses.

HHH was featured too much at the detriment of the product.

You can sell it as being a great heel, but I think there was a lot of “Go Away” heat mixed in there.
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My fav Triple H was from when he was just starting all the "The Game" and "My Time" stuff, and had that feud with Cactus Jack.
That’s what the Untold episode is about. Well worth a watch if you haven’t yet.
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Old 05-09-2020, 01:49 PM   #55226
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To be fair, RVD being cut off at the legs is best for all
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He was so fucking over at a number of occasions. I know you can point at what happened when he was given the push in the end.
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Remember when he killed Eugene dead in a matter of 2 weeks
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Or when he and HBK completely buried the Spirit Squad
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Shawn Michaels was fucking amazing in The Rockers, but HBK can fuck right off
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Remember when Rock pinned Vince to win HHH's title in June 2000 in that 6 man so HHH wouldn't have to get pinned
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Remember when he killed Eugene dead in a matter of 2 weeks
Nick Dinsmore really overachieved with that gimmick...getting a SummerSlam singles bout of it.
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Nick Dinsmore really overachieved with that gimmick...getting a SummerSlam singles bout of it.
And HHH completely killed all his momentum in a couple of weeks
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HBK never grew up.

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I was always a Bret guy. Shawn just reeked of insincerity. Mad skills though.
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