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Old 05-23-2020, 03:37 AM   #55441
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Fucking Christ.
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Old 05-23-2020, 04:42 AM   #55442
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Fucking god damn it.

She's one of my favorites in Stardom. Been following her since her start in Wrestle-1 because she had so much potential.

Between this and Arisa abrubtly retiring, I dunno if I can keep watching Stardom when it starts back up.

One wonders if this would have happened if this COVID shit wasn't around. She would have been around friends and family a lot more if she was wrestling.
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Old 05-23-2020, 04:47 AM   #55443
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From one of the guys on a discord I post at who reads Japanese

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Old 05-23-2020, 05:01 AM   #55444
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Japan's fucked up Idol culture surely didn't help.

Apparently Mayu Iwatani has similar mental issues and has cut herself in the past.

Fuck's sake.
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Old 05-23-2020, 05:04 AM   #55445
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Fucking god damn it.

She's one of my favorites in Stardom. Been following her since her start in Wrestle-1 because she had so much potential.

Between this and Arisa abrubtly retiring, I dunno if I can keep watching Stardom when it starts back up.

One wonders if this would have happened if this COVID shit wasn't around. She would have been around friends and family a lot more if she was wrestling.
All depends on how bad her mental state was by that point. Even with no coronavorus around and having a strong support system, no guarantee this wouldn't have eventually happened.

If she was at the point of no return, nothing is going to change that beyond her own willpower.
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Old 05-23-2020, 07:24 AM   #55446
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ahahahahahaha that music at the end

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Old 05-23-2020, 10:34 AM   #55448
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Horrific and tragic.

Predictably, many of the scumbags tweeting at Hana to kill herself have gone back and deleted their tweets.
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Aside from the suicide, it does seem that there’s a recent trend of the Japanese women retiring very young. Arisa was only 24, Hazuki 22, Kagetsu 26. I know they all start training very young which unfortunately contributes to the injuries piling up very early on.

Meanwhile you’ve got Sumie Sakai still wrestling in the states at nearly 50.
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Old 05-23-2020, 10:45 AM   #55450
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I mean sucks she killed herself but if i killed myself everytime i was called a slut,dyke,ugly or worthless i would have died a thousand deaths.

In short people need to stop giving words so much power especially when it's coming from a bunch Twitter nobodies.
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Old 05-23-2020, 12:35 PM   #55451
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Cornette is probably jealous he couldn't cyberbully a woman to death.
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Old 05-23-2020, 03:02 PM   #55452
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A number of news sites including forbes are reporting wrestling fans drove her to this which is bullshit. It was the Terrace House fanbase which were the main contributors. She's pretty well loved in the wrestling fan community.
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I mean sucks she killed herself but if i killed myself everytime i was called a slut,dyke,ugly or worthless i would have died a thousand deaths.

In short people need to stop giving words so much power especially when it's coming from a bunch Twitter nobodies.
This is a really excellent post.

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Cornette is probably jealous he couldn't cyberbully a woman to death.
There once was a cunt. For years the cunt would shiver and emit some loose noises. The villagers were really impressed and respected the cunt, and even put some velvet rope around it in the town square so to give it time to do what it was trying to do. Eventually the cunt's sputtering formed a noise recognizable...words! The cunt spoke words! The town people gathered around to listen to it speak. Afterwards, they realized the real trick was getting the cunt to shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up, cunt.

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A number of news sites including forbes are reporting wrestling fans drove her to this which is bullshit. It was the Terrace House fanbase which were the main contributors. She's pretty well loved in the wrestling fan community.
Her mental state drove her to this. It's not really a case of blaming others or denying blame. All fans should look at themselves and how they carry themselves, but she was obviously not well.
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Do you believe "her mental state that drove her to this" would have even existed if said fans would never have said anything? Highly doubtful.



Surely you cannot be that dense.....
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Apparently Hana might have been showing suicidal signs as early as around 3 weeks ago based on a cooking video Stardom posted on their Youtube channel where someone pointed out scars can be seen on her wrist at one point.
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Do you believe "her mental state that drove her to this" would have even existed if said fans would never have said anything? Highly doubtful.



Surely you cannot be that dense.....
What the fuck do you know about her mental health and history? Was she depressed growing up? What was her family life like? What were her finances? How was her love life? Were her employers fair?

She was a performer. It takes a certain kind of person to do that, and sometimes they put pressure on themselves or are dealing with some sort of depression from the start.
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Please ask yourself all the same questions and answer them please.
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People don’t kill themselves because they want to die. They kill themselves when the pain caused by their mental illness outweighs their ability to cope with said pain. It’s a war of attrition that takes place over a long period of time. So it’s something she probably has been dealing with for a while now.

That said, I don’t think the role that people on social media played in her death should be downplayed. Especially considering she directly mentions it in her final farewell tweet.

It’s one thing to fight severe depression. I couldn’t even imagine trying to fight it while hundreds of people are sending you death threats and telling you to kill yourself on a daily basis.
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The lack of understanding and empathy for someone suffering from severe mental illness taking their life is concerning.
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There once was a cunt. For years the cunt would shiver and emit some loose noises. The villagers were really impressed and respected the cunt, and even put some velvet rope around it in the town square so to give it time to do what it was trying to do. Eventually the cunt's sputtering formed a noise recognizable...words! The cunt spoke words! The town people gathered around to listen to it speak. Afterwards, they realized the real trick was getting the cunt to shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up, cunt.




I am still laughing at this brutal annihilation.

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The lack of understanding and empathy for someone suffering from severe mental illness taking their life is concerning.


In an industry founded on the bodies of lost souls, you would be more surprised if someone got over it...
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Based on early indications, Hana ended up killing herself via hydrogen sulfide.

Also her mother was the first to find her lying dead on the floor.

Kairi Sane ended up being the first notable person to notice the disturbing tweet Hana had sent due to the timezones and contacted people from Stardom to rush to her aid.
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Kairi was also blaming herself for not noticing sooner.


Always hurts more than the person lost. Hope everyone is able to cope and move forward.
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^^^

I've been saying the same thing. Whatever number RAW or SD eventually settles at, add about 200-300k to that when live crowds are back and that's the new normal. (My prediction for RAW is 1.5 and SD 1.8 during during 'rona)

AEW and NXT might add 100k each is my guess.
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Even though AEW and NXT are suffering with the decline in DVR viewers, feel they still have a good chance to get back to pre-coronavirus levels when things return to normal after a while. Mainly due to the gap needing to be closed is a lot smaller than RAW and SD and both shows are still in the tv audience building stage.

All depends on how much longer these crowd-less shows last and people feeling comfortable enough to start regularly showing up in large enough numbers to make a real difference without also risking everything going right back to square one with the virus.
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So it looks like Hana's cause of death was Hydrogen Sulfide which I found strange, but apparently it is/was a popular method of suicide in Japan

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Apparently WWE is going to start having wrestlers be the crowds for their empty arena shows starting with tonight's episode of RAW based on an internal memo that got leaked.

Unlike AEW, seems its only going to be Performance Center talent used for crowds and they won't be shown on camera.
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Apparently WWE is going to start having wrestlers be the crowds for their empty arena shows starting with tonight's episode of RAW based on an internal memo that got leaked.

Unlike AEW, seems its only going to be Performance Center talent used for crowds and they won't be shown on camera.



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