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Old 06-27-2020, 03:12 PM   #56001
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I know you disagree, but there was a time when he was pretty sweet. Then they chose not to roll with that momentum, kill it completely, and THEN give him the Universal Title by "default".
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:14 PM   #56002
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I do disagree, but I don’t disagree this isn’t the best timing.
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:15 PM   #56003
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Yeah he just needs to go back to yelling get these hands repeatedly and flipping over whatever large object is nearest to him.
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:20 PM   #56004
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He should turn heel and be a dickhead who claims to be a self-made millionaire. He should call everyone lazy for not being as big as he is.
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:32 PM   #56005
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Literally have never heard this guys name before he can't be too famous
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:33 PM   #56006
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Also clearly Ryan Cabrera has a type
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:39 PM   #56007
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He should turn heel and be a dickhead who claims to be a self-made millionaire. He should call everyone lazy for not being as big as he is.
They shoulda pulled the trigger on giving him the magician gimmick
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:42 PM   #56008
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They should make his time as a Rosebud canon
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:49 PM   #56009
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The New Day have been together for 2167 days. According to guy on r/SC, that is the longest tenured stable in professional wrestling history to not have a break up.
And have been boring and stale for about 1800 of those days. They don’t deserve to be seen as this great group just because they haven’t broken up.

It’s one of the biggest problems with modern day WWE. They never try anything. I much preferred the days where they tried things that went nowhere, to not even trying.

Should have had Big E jealous of Kofi and Woods stuck in the middle for some entertaining Tv.

Instead, cereal, pancakes, another Big E suicide dive and boredom.
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Old 06-27-2020, 03:58 PM   #56010
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Looking at those Rosebuds, I recognize more and more people. Maybe everyone looks the same, but I’m pretty sure I see Carmella, Becky Lynch and Elias. And is that Tucker Knight in the back? And I think that’s Audrey Marie and I’m sure the blonde is someone too.
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:11 PM   #56011
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They should make his time as a Rosebud canon
so who will end up biggest name in this pic make the most money out of wrestling.
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:23 PM   #56012
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:10 PM   #56013
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so who will end up biggest name in this pic make the most money out of wrestling.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:25 PM   #56014
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Looking at those Rosebuds, I recognize more and more people. Maybe everyone looks the same, but I’m pretty sure I see Carmella, Becky Lynch and Elias. And is that Tucker Knight in the back? And I think that’s Audrey Marie and I’m sure the blonde is someone too.
Simon Gotch in there too.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:35 PM   #56015
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I know you disagree, but there was a time when he was pretty sweet. Then they chose not to roll with that momentum, kill it completely, and THEN give him the Universal Title by "default".
Even worse is Braun managed to get legit over as a Big Man type wrestler which Vince desperately had been trying to do for years and when it finally happens, he suddenly decides to no longer be interested.

Like it wasn't even out of pettiness of Braun getting over on his own and instead was a rare time where WWE booking managed to actually create a legit big star.
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Old 06-27-2020, 05:35 PM   #56016
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They should make his time as a Rosebud canon
Where would he rank in wrestling’s pantheon of gladiator gimmicks?

Brutus Magnus
Faarooq Asaad
Ric “Spartacus” Flair
Mike “The Gladiator” Awesome
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And have been boring and stale for about 1800 of those days. They don’t deserve to be seen as this great group just because they haven’t broken up.

It’s one of the biggest problems with modern day WWE. They never try anything. I much preferred the days where they tried things that went nowhere, to not even trying.

Should have had Big E jealous of Kofi and Woods stuck in the middle for some entertaining Tv.

Instead, cereal, pancakes, another Big E suicide dive and boredom.
I so wanted Big E to go after Brock when he beat Kofi in 8 seconds for the title. There was so much to work with there.
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Old 06-27-2020, 06:15 PM   #56018
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Where would he rank in wrestling’s pantheon of gladiator gimmicks?

Brutus Magnus
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Ric “Spartacus” Flair
Mike “The Gladiator” Awesome
You've got to go with Spartacus, even though it didn't happen. Maybe because it didn't happen?
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Old 06-27-2020, 06:55 PM   #56019
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Old 06-27-2020, 09:03 PM   #56020
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They should make his time as a Rosebud canon
It still blows my mind that the only guy in that batch who did not get some kind of run out of this was Adam Rose.

Not at much as 3 Man Band having more World Champions than the New Day, though.
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Old 06-27-2020, 09:04 PM   #56021
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Q - On one of the Bruce Prichard podcasts, they discuss that The Outsiders were pushing hard for Bret Hart to be the 3rd member of the NWO as opposed to Hulk Hogan. I think Prichard said his deal was ending in that time frame. So it makes some sense. Do you know how close Hart was to leaving at that time and imagine how different the wrestling landscape would’ve been. Would Hogan of ever turned heel? What would’ve happened instead of the Montreal Screwjob? So many ripple effects.

A - That story is 100% accurate. If you are an Elite member, you can read the complete details in the Wrestling Lariat archives. In the summer/fall if 1996, Bret Hart's deal was expiring and WCW was making a heavy play for him. In the end, he decided to stay with WWF and was signed to what was supposed to be a 20 year deal that would see him close his career with the company and then move into a behind the scenes role. A year later, in September of 1997, the company was losing so much money that Vince McMahon told Bret Hart he could no longer afford the deal and offered him the chance to go negotiate with WCW and see if he could still get the big money offer. Hart actually got more and made arrangements to leave. However, Hart's WWF deal stipulated that he had creative control over how he was used the last 30 days of his run and due to his personal issues with Shawn Michaels, was not going to put Michaels over for the belt and felt that losing the belt in Canada wasn't proper either. So, WWE went with the screwjob....and the rest was history.
Bret as the mystery third member would have been very interesting but also would have lacked that mega shock moment Hogan created with his sudden heel turn.

At least Bret's WCW career would likely have been a lot better than WCW dropping the ball big time with him post-Screwjob.
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NWO wouldn’t have been nearly as big without Hogan.
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:24 PM   #56023
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I think Hogan's performances in the nWo, even his promos, are DRASTICALLY overrated. With that said, he nailed the heel turn itself. And his legacy made the turn that much more effective. Bret Hart simply did not have that track record as all-conquering good guy of the yesteryear to make it work. Though, it probably still would have been great, just on a smaller scale.
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Old 06-27-2020, 11:41 PM   #56024
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Yeah nobody really had the same mainstream good guy aura Hogan had which instantly turned that heel turn into an all-time classic moment. Closest WCW had was Sting but still wouldn't have been as monumental as Hogan's turn.

Even Hogan's history with Mean Gene, who was the first person to talk to him, greatly added to that moment's legacy.
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Old 06-28-2020, 01:19 AM   #56025
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so sami is the only one still there, yep impact is the spinal tap of wrestling. i see ace as the next champ lets see what happens to ace after.
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Old 06-28-2020, 01:51 AM   #56026
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Bret as the mystery third member would have been very interesting but also would have lacked that mega shock moment Hogan created with his sudden heel turn.

At least Bret's WCW career would likely have been a lot better than WCW dropping the ball big time with him post-Screwjob.
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I think Hogan's performances in the nWo, even his promos, are DRASTICALLY overrated. With that said, he nailed the heel turn itself. And his legacy made the turn that much more effective. Bret Hart simply did not have that track record as all-conquering good guy of the yesteryear to make it work. Though, it probably still would have been great, just on a smaller scale.
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Yeah nobody really had the same mainstream good guy aura Hogan had which instantly turned that heel turn into an all-time classic moment. Closest WCW had was Sting but still wouldn't have been as monumental as Hogan's turn.

Even Hogan's history with Mean Gene, who was the first person to talk to him, greatly added to that moment's legacy.
Stepping outside of Hogan being the 3rd man being essentially WCW's "Austin 3:16" moment, I don't really get how Bret would've worked in comparison to how things turned out.

I mean, sure, on paper, in an angle where you have two guys who are presumably from WWF on a mission to take over WCW, it seems like adding yet another guy being fresh of a Stamford run to keep that aura going would be the way to go. However, the flip side is, how the fuck were they actually going to personally co-exist? Bret flanked by two members of the Kliq without any of what would have been boiling friction between he and Shawn in the way of however his relationship with these two guys may have shaken out? We might have had a totally different version of said Kliq.

Then, interject the question of how they would professionally co-exist. Part of the perfect storm what helped Hogan work in the role is him being the "the man" in the same way that Flair was always the primary focus of the Four Horsemen. Would Nash and Hall have afforded the same courtesy to Bret, or would he have been on more "equal footing" with those two? Seems like it would have changed the dynamics of what the nWo even was to begin with. Not passing judgment on if it would have been better or worse. I for one certainly think it an interesting scenario. The whole angle would have evolved quite a bit differently, though.
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:06 AM   #56027
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There would have been less rambling 45 minute promos with 86 nwo members in the ring. Since Bret wasn’t that great of a talker. Take that how you will.
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I've never understood the criticism of the NWO having too many members. Logically it makes sense.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:13 AM   #56029
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WWF really damaged Bret by turning him heel the way that they did. Sure in 97 the Hart Foundation vs Austin and McMahon was really great, but it left Bret's babyface run in the dust, for good. Once Bret lifted the vail to show his heelish personality, it's too hard to buy him as "the best guy there is". His heel personality is a version of himself that we all know well, the bitter and egotistical wrestler who thinks it's more real than it is. Bret in WCW was doomed if he was going to be used as a heel. Bret really was doomed when he started shitting on the American wrestling fans. He couldn't come back from it.
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I've never understood the criticism of the NWO having too many members. Logically it makes sense.
It's probably the fact people only gave a damn about 3 or 4 of them.
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I've never understood the criticism of the NWO having too many members. Logically it makes sense.
I guess it just made it seem less special. Plus, it just got convoluted.
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It's probably the fact people only gave a damn about 3 or 4 of them.
This too.

Virgil and Bryan Adams in the nWo isn't exactly compelling TV.
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If the whole storyline is NWO taking over WCW, and with WCW having like 200 wrestlers, I can get why NWO would have a large number.
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Bret turned heel?
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Bret turned Bret.
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I really wanted this too. Would have been a fun story, and probably a good match.
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If the whole storyline is NWO taking over WCW, and with WCW having like 200 wrestlers, I can get why NWO would have a large number.
nWo's problem wasn't soo much that they were too bloated but more of WCW doing a poor job after a while of handling the group's growth.

Didn't help things got worse once Hogan and co. started to really hog up the spotlight and quality tv time since that just led to more and more wrestlers asking to be included simply for that guaranteed tv time and focus in the company.

The group either shouldn't have gotten Bischoff as early as it did or cut out all the excess after him with a few exceptions like Scott Steiner. Once he joined, they pretty much achieved their storyline goal of taking over WCW.
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Yeah, the Bischoff thing is true. Once the president is part of the NWO, everything else is moot.
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I liked the large NWO roster because it you actually got to see the NWO take a pinfall loss. The only guys on the NWO I disliked were Konnan and Brian Adams. Especially Adams.

I always looked it as guys choosing sides, so the random additions didn't bother me

I also think the NWO should have ended at Starrcade 97
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