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Old 08-05-2021, 11:15 AM   #5601
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Not sure if Pac is actually stuck travel-wise again, but it feels like they are building up to him vs Andrade.

Andrade vs Penta or Fenix as a backup could also happen. Maybe even Lucha Bros vs Andrade and Chavo?

Britt will face somebody too, not really sure who though.
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Old 08-05-2021, 11:22 AM   #5602
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I figured the “First Dance” was a play on “The Last Dance” documentary about Jordan/the Chicago Bulls.
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Old 08-05-2021, 11:32 AM   #5603
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Not sure if Pac is actually stuck travel-wise again, but it feels like they are building up to him vs Andrade.

Andrade vs Penta or Fenix as a backup could also happen. Maybe even Lucha Bros vs Andrade and Chavo?

Britt will face somebody too, not really sure who though.
I'd really like to see Lucha Bro's vs Andrade & Chavo, I'm not sure they are going to use Chavo in the ring, I'd assume he can still go but if they have someone else in mind that is from the roster that would be interesting as well.

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I figured the “First Dance” was a play on “The Last Dance” documentary about Jordan/the Chicago Bulls.
You may be right. It's hard for me to imagine Punk not having a huge impact on this show in one way or another.
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Old 08-05-2021, 11:38 AM   #5604
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I'm not getting my hopes up on Tana NJPW names being at All Out, because they have their Wrestle Grand Slam event the same day and I'd assume they'd want Tana there. The NJPW guys will be in LA on August 14th but they need the time to re-quarantine in Japan based on the protocols over there.
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Old 08-05-2021, 01:05 PM   #5605
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I think we’re gonna see Punk v Darby at All Out. Christian v Omega also looks likely. Santana and Ortiz v FTR. Beyond that I have no idea. But, if my math is right, they’ve got 8 TV shows from now through All Out to build up the rest of the card.
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Old 08-05-2021, 05:29 PM   #5606
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Old 08-05-2021, 05:33 PM   #5607
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damn... thought they would be down to like 900k or something this week
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Me too. Not many marquee matches. This week felt like it was written to try and introduce and/or help elevate younger talent, like Hersch and Lee Johnson. The Cody v Black match was the selling point and apparently that was more than good enough.
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I’m more curious to see how well the first Rampage shows do. Britt obviously gonna be the main draw for the first show, and Punk possibly debuting the following week. Eager to see what kind numbers they can draw out the gate on a really tough night for TV.
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Lol, I keep seeing 1.1 and I remember that being the tale of TNA.
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Old 08-05-2021, 06:03 PM   #5611
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Dammit, Noid. We don’t fight about new wrestling on Thursday nights anymore. We watch old school wrestling chronologically and step into a time machine to the good times. Please see my thread. Hope to see you there!
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Old 08-05-2021, 06:05 PM   #5612
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That sounds a lot better than seeing this shit. The business of wrestling has become more interesting than the actual wrestling.
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Old 08-05-2021, 06:20 PM   #5613
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Yeah, but the actual wrestling in that thread is better than both.

Ronnie Garvin just murders people with nothing but his hands. I’m avoiding spoilers so I can’t say that he will do it this week but he DEFINITELY did it last week.
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Old 08-05-2021, 06:21 PM   #5614
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Lol, good teaser.
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Old 08-06-2021, 11:44 AM   #5616
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WWE stars signing with AEW, My Opinion
I have to put out my thoughts on one of the more exciting storylines running weekly through the news sites. Former WWE stars signing with AEW or WWE contracts coming to an end, and now a new place to land.

This is an all to familiar situation to those of us who lived through the 90's or earlier. Probably one of the most exciting things that used to happen that didn't happen for the longest time, competition in pro wrestling and wrestlers jumping ship from company to company. Sure we had a taste of it when TNA was at it's height but even then it was nothing like it is now.

So my opinion on AEW and their position if they should be signing up a large amount of former or current WWE stars is YES.

When AEW began they did have a solid enough roster to start of with a bang, sure. But there was many talents that "should have" been with AEW, but got swept up by WWE, or locked in with ROH or Impact. I'm thinking guys like Matt Riddle, Keith Lee, Bandido, Walter, Rey Misterio and even CM Punk. There was a lot of talent that WWE was able to scoop up or that was unfortunately signed to Impact or ROH that fit the idea of AEW much more.

So the result of this was AEW forced to take 2nd tier indy talent that only a select few die hards actually knew. I don't watch Dark/Elevation and the reason is because the cards are filled with skinny flip floppers who aren't even that good at being flip floppers. Some of these guys get "called" up for chances on Dynamite and to be honest it never interests me. I'm not aware of who AEW has under legit contracts that work mostly on Dark/Elevation but last weeks example for my argument is 2.0 and Shotty Lee. They just aren't ready for big time tv yet. They all need to improv their bodies they look smaller than most of the fans in the crowd and when it comes to the high flying element they aren't top enough to have deserved that spot.

But take for example Pete Dune or Tony Neese. Those dudes have awesome pro wrestler bodies and can work insanely good matches. It was reported that Neese was backstage at Dynamite and honestly, why not sign up this guy? He's ripped and awesome in the ring. We all know Dune is an ace. Then there are guys like Johnny Curtis or Tyler Breeze, those guys are 10x better than the majority of the Dark/Elevation cast, why not hire those guys to come in and play a mid card role? Give them a better spot than they had in WWE but have them put over the AEW stars that need putting over. Miro should be wrestling guys that are more talented than his is to make him look good, Shotty Lee isn't that guy pal.

In conclusion I think that AEW should definitely scoop up the talented WWE guys who in general look like actual wrestlers and can work a match without making botchamania every week. Continue to identify their developmental talent that are star bound like Agogo, Caster, Bowens, Top Flight make a plant to elevate them in compelling stories. For example, I know they set up Shotty Lee and Miro the week or two before Dynamite but I don't remember what they did, some backstage promo? It wasn't anything special and Lee was just set up to lose and nobody cared.

I say sign Bray, sign Dune, sign Cole. Fuck it, get to the top my any means but do make the proper plans to succeed the aging talent when their time comes. AEW has done well by Darby, he's going to be ready for a top spot when the opening is there. He can already main event any Dynamite and have a compelling show.
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At this point they would have to make cuts to make room for the wwe cast-offs and I don't think Khan or the EVPs have enough RUTHLESS AGGRESSION to cut their indy buddies.
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Even with the rumors of his contract being in flux I don't think Pete Dunne is gonna be leaving unless WWE actively doesn't try to keep him. Strikes me as someone who will agree to whatever terms WWE gives him.

You see it with a lot of British guys in Dunne's generation. Like Ben Carter. A lot of people who worked with him out on the British Isles said his singular goal was WWE. As he made a name for himself out there he got offers to come to the US to train at the ROH Dojo or Chikara Factory for free but instead he paid a shitload to train at Seth Rollins' wrestling school, figuring it'd give him a better chance to network his way into the company.

Goes to AEW last year, works some Dark matches that impress everyone. Gets offered a full-time AEW contract. WWE then offer him apparently a way cheaper contract to work NXT UK and he takes it because again, WWE was always his end game.

There's a lot of similar mindsets among the NXT UK roster. WWE is the goal regardless of money, position on the card, or status. And no matter how low on the totem pole NXT UK is, being there means they met their lifelong goal. And that's why most of them aren't bothered essentially being stored away in a factor in England somewhere.
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They’ve hit on Moxley, Brodie, Miro, PAC and FTR. Black seems like an instant success. Hardy and Christian have been ok. The only ex WWE guys who haven’t done much to me are Hager and Spears which doesn’t surprise anybody.
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Also who a actually gives a shit if AEW does nothing but push WWE castoffs?

I’m old enough to remember when WCW castoffs Stunning Steve Austin, Mean Mark, Terra Ryzin, the Giant, Cactus Jack, Damon Striker, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero created the biggest wrestling boom in history. I’m ok with it.
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Also who a actually gives a shit if AEW does nothing but push WWE castoffs?

I’m old enough to remember when WCW castoffs Stunning Steve Austin, Mean Mark, Terra Ryzin, the Giant, Cactus Jack, Damon Striker, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, and Eddie Guerrero created the biggest wrestling boom in history. I’m ok with it.



This post gives me great hope. Wednesday's haven't been half-bad either.
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AEW is finally doing what it should have done at the start. Use its money to get the stars to get the eyeballs. The problem is that you’ve got to be good on top of that. And that is where the whole thing turns to shit.
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Joey Janela turning heel on the YouTube streamed AEW Dark

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Old 08-10-2021, 09:40 PM   #5625
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According to reports, Max Caster got hit with around a 2 month suspension as part of the fallout from his controversial pre-match rap at last week's Dark episode.

In a way not surprised since his rap insults had been straddling the line for a long while. Some weeks he'd have just a normal diss rap towards his opponent while other weeks he'd sneak in homophobic-like insults and other stuff that easily could get him into hot water.

Probably didn't help that his insults towards Julia Hart had been heading in a real mean spirited direction in recent weeks and not just typical heel style heat that just added more fuel to the fire of last week's controversy.

AEW's production shares a lot of the blame as well since they had a week to edit out the controversial rap before Dark aired and didn't so someone there screwed up big time.
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Old 08-11-2021, 12:46 AM   #5626
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That sucks and hopefully isn't true

Especially if he was never given a notice to "tone it down" before and they just suspended him without warning after they aired everything

Now will have to walk on egg shells and avoid saying anything "on the edge" because whiny people might get mad. "Make sure you don't say anything that might offend the whiniest people in our audience" is not good for his gimmick...
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Old 08-11-2021, 12:51 AM   #5627
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Old 08-11-2021, 01:01 AM   #5628
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Best 21 minutes of wrestling all week.
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Come on man the Duke lacrosse line wasn't even close to the edge.

It was about 3000 feet over it.

He earned that suspension, even if it's just bullshit so AEW can save face in the media.
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nice timing, was about to search for random videos to watch and you delivered for me.

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"sensitivity training" ��
Watching him trying to pass sensitivity training would be very fun if wrestling had a sense of humor.
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Old 08-11-2021, 01:52 AM   #5632
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Come on man the Duke lacrosse line wasn't even close to the edge.

It was about 3000 feet over it.

He earned that suspension, even if it's just bullshit so AEW can save face in the media.
Yeah he should have known anything referencing rape was going to get outrage, but I mean it's going to suck for his gimmick in the future now that AEW overreacted with the punishment imo and he's going to be forced to walk on egg shells

Also after I realized they were in North Carolina when he said the Duke line (obviously to garner heel heat), it made more sense after my initial reaction of confusion thinking he was just randomly saying he was going to rape his opponents
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Old 08-11-2021, 01:54 AM   #5633
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What's really annoying to me is that lots of people seem to be more mad about his tame line about Simone Biles
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he should actually do a corny safe rapper gimmick when returning . . .
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Good Lord...

Depressing. I couldn't make it past 3 minutes. A lot of these botches are the exact performers that I really don't care for in AEW and wouldn't mind being replaced by released WWE and NXT talents. Some botches are bound to happen with this "suicide dive" lucha style but dayum.
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AEW deserves criticism. Some of those landings were disturbing to watch.
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AEW deserves criticism. Some of those landings were disturbing to watch.
You'd think that with agents like Malenko and Jerry Lynn that they'd have more control over the stupid attempts that a lot of the wrestlers make. Botches are going to happen, people will fall on their head from german's and lucha moves. But the amount of just shitty flip flop'n fly style is overboard. This is absolutely my biggest criticism of AEW and why I'm all for AEW hiring talent trained by WWE like Buddy Murphy, Johnny Curtis, Zack Ryder, Tyler Breeze, Killian Dain, Bollywood Boyz, Tony Neese and others.

Sure there will be the challenge of "how can we elevate this talent better their their previous employer?" Not everybody is going to be world champion. But I think that AEW can utilize a large amount of decently well known WWE releases to work on Dark/Elevation with the cream of their development crop. Meanwhile keeping these talents engaged will by-weekly matches on Dynamite/Rampage with those AEW consider "star" talent.

These skinny less than great "cruiserweight" style workers that AEW are bringing in for example Serpintico, Aaron Solo, Sean Dean and Shotty Lee are just not money. There are exceptions like Stu Grayson who is small yes but is an incredible worker. Jungle Boy, super small but also a superstar.

They have some dead weight they can choose to not rehire as well. We don't need the Sydal Brothers or The Gunn Club, they are bringing nothing to the table, Jack Evans and Angelico have filled the quota of what we can see from them, Alan Angels is not doing anything that Stu Grayson or Uno can't do and for the love of god please do not re-sign Jake Hager.

On another note, I'd be more than fine with Jericho "retiring" after losing to MJF at All Out. It needs to happen, maybe not forever but for a good long time until he decides to "reinvent" his body because the look of him is not good. Jericho on commentary may turn out to be a great thing, I can certainly see him being a success over Mark Henry or Paul Wight in that environment. But as far as in ring goes, I can't foresee any programs that we need from him going forward. He's worked with almost everyone on the roster and good for him for giving the rub to a lot of guys, he's a legend and helped build AEW into what it is today. But his body is a disaster and he's slipping further and further into embarrassment.
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Yeah I get the sense that AEW is rarely ever gonna actually fire talents unless they fuck up like Jimmy Havoc.

But they might let contracts elapse like they did with Kong (who didn't seem like she had plans on returning anyway) and Shanna (hot but doesn't bring much to the table you can't get from others in the women's roster, plus some problematic social media posts)

Contract lengths vary but a lot of people got 3 year deals, 2022 would be 3 years since AEW started so I think by spring some talents on the Dark/Elevation brigade will be moving out. Jack Evans, Angelico, Peter Avalon, Janela, etc. Sonny Kiss will probably get re-signed for representation. Kip Sabian's fate probably depends on if they want to keep Penelope Ford.
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What's really annoying to me is that lots of people seem to be more mad about his tame line about Simone Biles
Yeah that one was good imo, playing to current events and will get some ppl behind him while angering others. While I do think the whole Simone Biles thing is horribly over done at this point I do think it was a good play for Caster.
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