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Old 07-30-2020, 11:12 PM   #56521
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And Meltzer has to report on hearsay to a degree. That's the nature of wrestling. Journalists also don't have to be unbiased. Don't try and straw-man me with that. The issue is that if he said "Vince McMahon is plotting to launch a nuclear bomb at Dailys just to fuck over AEW" you would eat it up.

I don't hate Meltzer or anything, and it's not like the guy has never broken a story. But his mates are in AEW and can peddle him whatever bullshit they want. They have completely slipped the "AEW was super-nice to New Japan" absolute tosh past people. Vince McMahon was definitely getting involved in how NXT was run. WWE are both simultaneously incompetent for promoting NXT not enough and doing too much. NXT is like WCW because Sam Shaw exists, but AEW is fine with its teleporting.

Meltzer, like The Young Bucks with their t-shirts, has worked out that the wrestling fan base is getting smaller and smaller because this shit sucks. But they're getting nerdier and nerdier, so they will spend more money per head. None of them are concerned with increasing wrestling's reputation, and are perfectly happy to monetize whoever is left. For The Bucks (and the other AEW executives), that means doing PWG-style horse-shit and being self-indulgent until the billionaire pulls the plug. For Meltzer, that means saying stuff that the audience that is left wants to hear to get as many subscriptions as possible. "Yay AEW; nay WWE."

Meltzer has a business to run and the money, sadly, is in pandering to whatever the fuck is left, and that means actively going with this online narrative that anyone that is not Vince McMahon is a good guy. It's completely fooled some people -- yourself and BigCrippyZ included. You'll root for anything that is not Vince McMahon, regardless of how shit it is.
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:01 AM   #56522
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You always take everything Meltzer says at face value. For example, this stuff is absolute horse-shit and you're talking about it like it's got any credence, when anyone can immediately determine it is bullshit. I'm pretty sure you reported the Kenny Omega/Japan stuff too, which was also obviously shit. And just recently Triple H being a piece of shit while leaving off the AEW side.

You're biased, and that's fine. But you're going to get called out on it when it crosses into ridiculousness. It's ridiculous to assume that a clip that buries Excalibur and KEVIN OWENS is out there specifically to fuck over AEW.
Dumbass, this stuff about the videos didn't even come from Meltzer.

It came from a rumor on /wooo claiming the owner of Ringside News was behind the videos resurfacing again since its been like the third or fourth time within the past year the N-word videos regarding Excalibur and Owens have popped up online.

Here is the exact links I saw that alleged the videos popping up again was due to the owner of Ringside News having some vendetta over AEW and Tony Khan.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425108

And the tweets being used to as part of that person's claims.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425234


I don't know why I even bother coming to this place anymore since all you've done is take all the fun out of visiting here and talking about wrestling.
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:27 AM   #56523
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Smeat, I believe I speak for everyone here, we value your contributions immensely. Don't feed the troll.
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:34 AM   #56524
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Dumbass, this stuff about the videos didn't even come from Meltzer.

It came from a rumor on /wooo claiming the owner of Ringside News was behind the videos resurfacing again since its been like the third or fourth time within the past year the N-word videos regarding Excalibur and Owens have popped up online.

Here is the exact links I saw that alleged the videos popping up again was due to the owner of Ringside News having some vendetta over AEW and Tony Khan.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425108

And the tweets being used to as part of that person's claims.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425234


I don't know why I even bother coming to this place anymore since all you've done is take all the fun out of visiting here and talking about wrestling.
Meltzer can be replaced by whatever internet source you want to credulously cite to confirm your bias, dumbass. It's whoever says the pro-AEW thing or stacks the decks in their favor.

It's ironic the subreddit is called "wooo."
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:27 PM   #56525
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Old 07-31-2020, 12:29 PM   #56526
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AEW definitely more fun to watch.
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Old 07-31-2020, 04:50 PM   #56527
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Dave Meltzer is a terrible idiot.

He and James Lipton have a lot in common. Suffocatingly sycophantic around their object of affection and yet offering nothing to anyone but tongue in ass.
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Old 07-31-2020, 04:54 PM   #56528
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I'd respect Dave a lot more if he ever got around to making a point. Still, I trust him as a source more than anyone else in the industry. That's not really saying all that much.
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Old 07-31-2020, 04:59 PM   #56529
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Dave Meltzer is a terrible idiot.

He and James Lipton have a lot in common. Suffocatingly sycophantic around their object of affection and yet offering nothing to anyone but tongue in ass.
That’s a great way of putting it. Meltzer is getting worse. He’s stooped to flat-out lying for AEW. I don’t think he’s on the take or anything, but he knows where his bread is buttered. That anyone still takes him seriously is bizarre to me.

The other day someone pointed out to me that Kurt Angle had no five star matches. Kenny Omega has broken his scale at least three times.
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:05 PM   #56530
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He actually does push for AEW in a way that suggests to me that he is at least disingenuous in his support if not outright taking the piss at this point.

I think he sees all of the media stuff and his image in particular as some new "kayfabe" or something like that.

He wishes he was a wrestler so badly that he has started becoming one who doesn't wrestle, just talks. So he looks like an AEW guy but sounds like a WWE guy just after the millennium.
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:07 PM   #56531
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Has he ever offered to fight anyone?
I can see that coming a mile off.

I bet he pulls a Uwe Boll before too long.
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:42 PM   #56532
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Has he ever offered to fight anyone?
I can see that coming a mile off.

I bet he pulls a Uwe Boll before too long.
Not actually fight anyone, but he did recently go after Cornette on Twitter with almost zero provocation. They’ve been going back and forth for a while, with things until recently being pretty good between them — Meltzer would give Cornette credit and vice versa — but then things got icy over AEW. Meltzer started echoing the things the AEW guys say to dismiss Corny (I imagine Steve Buscemi with the skateboard) and Cornette allegedly “chewed him out privately” and only made a little mention of it on his actual show.

But anyway, someone on Twitter said something like “Cornette must be stewing!” because The Young Bucks got 1 million viewers or something. Cornette has long mocked the ratings and kind of scoff-laughs at how these shows do outright, so it’s projecting a lot onto Cornette. But Dave went on this weird tangent about how no one should listen to Cornette and he’s been proven wrong about everything, even using the cliched “out of touch” line. I immediately thought “Haha, shit — Meltzer’s business is hurting for the attention.” But Cornette actually completely ignored him (well, has to date).

Kind of ironic that Dave says Corny is the one that pushes people away. He’s the guy trying to take shots and get the other guy to cut a promo on him for the attention. Not so much a “fight,” but he probably knows what the attention would do for his metrics.
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:53 PM   #56533
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I mean, you can’t look at AEW and think it is that good. I’m sorry, but you can’t. There were two Nickelodeon slimings in back-to-back segments the other week. Like, fair enough if you support them in principle, or find things to like. It’s not WWE, I get that. But it’s really hokey sports entertainment. And he goes out of his way to act like it’s high art and well disciplined storytelling.

He’ll also spin anything they do into an achievement. They are the first promotion ever started by a billionaire. They had Chris Jericho, JR and Jon Moxley signed to contracts before their first show. They had a TNT deal in place on the basis of this, also before their first show. He keeps going on about what they have achieved in a year. It’s what they bought. Nothing they’ve gotten has come off the merits of their show.

And there’s no shame in that — it’s just the reality.

I do wonder if Tony Khan being a confirmed reader of the Observer means that Meltzer is going to work extra hard to make it look like he’s got a clue. Not the best look if a dude whose education is Wrestling Observer University falls flat on his face.
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Old 07-31-2020, 05:56 PM   #56534
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They've drawn pretty impressive PPV numbers.
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Meltzer is a great go to for news. Opinions, not so much. He lost me completely on that when he pulled that 7 star bullshit.

I like Bryan Alvarez. Fun to listen to him go on rants, even when I don't agree with him.
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:13 PM   #56536
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Dave Meltzer is the Fred Leuchter of professional wrestling.

Go on, I'll wait while you Google.
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:44 PM   #56537
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They've drawn pretty impressive PPV numbers.
I'd agree in terms of what the alleged number for Double or Nothing was versus TV viewers. They converted something like 10% of their TV audience to buyers, which is actually impressive. The speculated numbers for their previous PPVs where in line with what you'd predict for PPV.

They've got a hardcore and mobilized audience. They can milk them a fair way.

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Meltzer is a great go to for news. Opinions, not so much. He lost me completely on that when he pulled that 7 star bullshit.

I like Bryan Alvarez. Fun to listen to him go on rants, even when I don't agree with him.
I don't dislike Bryan Alvarez as a person or anything, and I used to enjoy listening to him, but he crossed the line into Fred Leuchter territory with me too. Whoever that is.
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Old 07-31-2020, 07:11 PM   #56538
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I was reffered to this Asuka vs Meiko Satamura match on youtube, and it's one of the hardest hitting womens matches I've ever seen.

It's also really weird. Production wise.

Theres a guy playing a japanese style guitar throughout the whole thing and theres a blue light on the ring. The light isn't bad like Sin Cara's. They have spotlights on the wrestlers so you can see everything no problem.

Still, very odd.
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Asuka's entrance is painfully long so I'd skip to 3:30 if you wanna watch it.
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I might watch that match, although the production stuff is kind of making me hesitant. Has Asuka done that Brazzers porn yet?
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lol I like Tony's "What" at the end.... I know obviously it is prob the start of a sentence, but I am pretending it is the start and end of it.
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what is the implication here? do you look down upon individuals who work in the adult entertainment industry?
No, I want to watch it.
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Old 07-31-2020, 11:34 PM   #56545
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such a strange thing to say out of the blue. i find it unsettling how wrestling weeabos fetishize joshis and other female performers. what kind of a reaction were you expecting out of the previous comment?
Something more in character, honestly.
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:25 AM   #56546
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i can never openly admit to being a wrestling fan because of repulsive degenerates like yourself. you give the whole community a bad name. have some respect, she's a mother and a very skilled performer.
Well the latter part is what I'm hoping for.
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:26 AM   #56547
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i can never openly admit to being a wrestling fan because of repulsive degenerates like yourself. you give the whole community a bad name. have some respect, she's a mother and a very skilled performer.
Let me tell you how my boner moves.
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Old 08-01-2020, 12:27 AM   #56548
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i can never openly admit to being a wrestling fan because of repulsive degenerates like yourself. you give the whole community a bad name. have some respect, she's a mother and a very skilled performer.
Well the latter part is what I'm hoping for.
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Old 08-01-2020, 01:17 AM   #56549
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The average PornHub video has way more views than there are smarks on the internet. Do your perverted maths correctly.
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Old 08-01-2020, 01:33 AM   #56550
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I might watch that match, although the production stuff is kind of making me hesitant. Has Asuka done that Brazzers porn yet?
It’s honestly not as intrusive as I thought it would be when I was told about it. The match is good enough where I got sucked in and didn’t care about the weird production.

Also helps that it wasn’t done to be silly, but was rather, more of a cultural thing.
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Old 08-01-2020, 01:36 AM   #56551
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Yeah, I might check it out. Thanks.
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Old 08-01-2020, 04:48 AM   #56552
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I feel like Sheamus is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I mean his booking and creative doesn't do him any favors, but still...

Sheamus is cool.
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Old 08-01-2020, 05:37 AM   #56553
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I was thinking of spending 15 bucks on Talk N Shop Mania later tonight since its on directv but its only listed as 2 hours. It looks like its going to be ridiculous but I slso think the trailer gave away a lot.

There's also a bunch of women's wrestling specials and a 56 min "MJF: the prodigy" special on afterwords that's like 8 bucks.
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Old 08-01-2020, 07:41 AM   #56554
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Old 08-01-2020, 08:48 AM   #56555
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I feel like Sheamus is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I mean his booking and creative doesn't do him any favors, but still...

Sheamus is cool.
He can do some cool shit for a guy his size, but it never comes together as anything I can care about. I think he'd have benefit if he weren't pushed so hard so early. But maybe not.
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:23 AM   #56556
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If Sheamus was one of those let go... he could have been a truly great bastard heel for AEW. I feel like Sheamus in another good promotion like NJPW or AEW would allow him to be a total killer.
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Old 08-01-2020, 10:27 AM   #56557
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I think Sheamus is fucking amazing. Have thought that since he debuted in ECW. Always great hard hitting matches.
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Imagine a year or two of Sheamus mixing it up with Suzuki, Goto and Ishii... yeah he really should go to NJPW.
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I actually liked Sheamus’ face championship run. The comedy material was abysmal but I thought he came off likeable while also being a badass in the ring. Good combination. He had some great “brute vs brute” matches with Tensai.
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how about donating that amount to black lives matter?
I'd rather donate to the skank my ex bf cheated with.
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