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Old 08-29-2020, 08:57 PM   #57041
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I don’t think it accomplishes anything in the current era of wrestling. The rise of the internet killed that aspect of the business completely. Thanks to the web, every wrestling fan is a smart mark now. This incident didn’t expose anything that people didn’t already know. No one assumed they stopped hanging out and being friends because of this feud just like no one assumed Gargano and Ciampa stopped being friends. Everyone knows it’s a work. The difference is that one of those feuds made you forget during the actual programming because everyone from the talent to the creative did a great job in making it an intriguing story.

And that’s really all they can do. Put on a product that captures the fans emotions, and makes them forget for a little while what they already know. But as far as recapturing the “magic” that wrestling once had, well that’s gone forever. The genie is out of the bottle, and no amount of adhering to kayfabe outside of the workplace, no matter how strict, will ever get it back in.

And again, I say all this within reason. No one should be outright throwing away kayfabe in the fans faces like the previously mentioned omega/Jericho podcast.
It definitely accomplishes something. It puts some fucking effort in and makes things more immersive. That's at the very least. I mean, wrestling itself makes that impossible, because no one acts authentically, but it definitely helps.

Every fan being a smart mark is a problem. It's because they've chased off so many people who are sick of being insulted by no one putting any fucking effort in. It's not the sole reason, but when you cannot believe in this shit, even if you don't believe it, then it's hard to get emotionally invested at all.

You don't need to rub people's faces in it, which you seem to agree with it, so we're really just talking about degrees here, but it absolutely hurts wrestling that it's turned into such a...lazy presentation.
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Old 08-29-2020, 09:05 PM   #57042
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Old 08-29-2020, 09:48 PM   #57043
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Old 08-29-2020, 11:11 PM   #57044
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Old 08-30-2020, 01:06 AM   #57045
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Wow, Ryan Satin found someone with less sense than his hand. Eh, she's alright, but her thinking of herself as a "hot girlfriend" and that she counts the number of times she has sex ruins whatever she has going for her.

And Cornette's jab is obviously more because obviously someone has accused Ryan Satin of being a creep (big surprise there) so it's turnabout on the accusations against him. There are actually clever mechanics in there, even if "you can't get laid" is such a weird insult. Then in comes the girlfriend with her "Nuh-uh! He could totally be a creep." Cool.
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Old 08-30-2020, 01:11 AM   #57046
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Old 08-30-2020, 10:25 AM   #57051
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Old 08-30-2020, 10:27 AM   #57052
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I got under your skin last night didn't I Jon, so I'll say it again!
Tell that sweet little wife of yours, I'm single!
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the good news is I dont think AEW would be stupid enough to do a divorce angle with a real married couple on their roster like WWE did, but honestly thered be no bigger dick move for MJF to pull than stealing his wife which would fit his character
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Old 08-30-2020, 10:38 AM   #57053
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I watched the Roman Reigns segment where he reveals Paul Heyman.

No problem with the move at all, but the entire segment was Roman talking in WWE branded soundbytes. Fortunately, he has a booming, powerful voice to kind of get away with it, but ughhh, no wonder I can't watch at all.
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Old 08-30-2020, 11:36 AM   #57054
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Old 08-30-2020, 02:15 PM   #57055
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Old 08-30-2020, 06:33 PM   #57056
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Yeah that looked slick. I wasn't completely sold on Dakota Kai, but that match won me over.
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Old 08-30-2020, 06:41 PM   #57057
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So is Reigns a heel now cuz that might be interesting
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Old 08-30-2020, 07:13 PM   #57058
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So is Reigns a heel now cuz that might be interesting
That seems to be the plan according to PWI.

Braun is also staying as a heel but Bray supposedly is turning face soon in order to balance things out in the title scene.
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the good news is I dont think AEW would be stupid enough to do a divorce angle with a real married couple on their roster like WWE did, but honestly thered be no bigger dick move for MJF to pull than stealing his wife which would fit his character
That would be such a great career move for her!
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Guys, Dave Meltzer said WWE is going to reair NXT on Syfy, not because they are going to get paid for it, and not because some of the fans might not be able to watch it a day earlier in the week.

Nope, they are going to air a rerun of the previous day episode because they are super scared AEW will get better ratings unopposed. Just like they got a better rating unopposed last Thursday. Oh wait, they didn't though, but plans change, that will be $11.99.

He's such a good journalist!
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Considering NXT has been counter-programming AEW a lot since both started their war, reairing the shows on Wednesdays makes sense on their end.

WWE gets Tuesday unopposed while trying to dent AEW's numbers on Wednesday.
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Watching payback from 2017. Sheamus is in the tag title match with Cesaro vs Hardys. Cole runs off Sheamus' accomplishments in WWE and called him underappreciated. Fast forward 3.5 years and he did it again to Sheamus. Thought it was funny since he's done even less (some tag title runs with Cesaro) since he said it the first time

Also a few other odd notes

Payback in 17 was Raw brand with a US Title match from SD (last night was basically RAW with a universal title match from SD)

3.5 years is long enough for me to completely forget Austin Aries was in WWE.
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Considering NXT has been counter-programming AEW a lot since both started their war, reairing the shows on Wednesdays makes sense on their end.

WWE gets Tuesday unopposed while trying to dent AEW's numbers on Wednesday.
You mean how WWE decided to keep airing NXT on the same day they have for years, just to hurt the company that trademarked "Tuesday Night Dynamite"?

Yep, WWEvil.

Guess AEW and TNT didn't think it was a good idea to run on Tuesdays after Smackdown moved to Friday's because of _____.
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Red face Jesus Christ, dude
WWE started putting NXT on USA only a few weeks before AEW was scheduled to begin airing on TNT.

(Also re-airing shows is not a new thing in TV in general. You pick the weirdest shit to use as a "gotcha.")
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Old 08-31-2020, 02:33 PM   #57072
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For what it's worth, WWE has removed all of Brock Lesnar's merch from WWEShop...
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12 miutes? Forget it. Just sum it up for me.


Originally it was going to be a large Rat (seemingly couldn't find a cage big enough for Heyman to fit into), then they didn't know what it was going to be, he pitched multiple ideas including having a tiny woman be in the cage for a single appearance and that she was in the cage for protection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyoti_Amge). In the end they just went with a mechanical Spider which he reckons it was meant to be from the start.
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For what it's worth, WWE has removed all of Brock Lesnar's merch from WWEShop...
PWInsider and ProWrestlingSheet both reporting that Lesnar is now a free agent and left WWE after WrestleMania 36.
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PWInsider and ProWrestlingSheet both reporting that Lesnar is now a free agent and left WWE after WrestleMania 36.
Not a bad thing if true, the phoned in matches with 2x repeated moves got old fast.
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You mean how WWE decided to keep airing NXT on the same day they have for years, just to hurt the company that trademarked "Tuesday Night Dynamite"?

Yep, WWEvil.

Guess AEW and TNT didn't think it was a good idea to run on Tuesdays after Smackdown moved to Friday's because of _____.
They trademarked Tuesday first because they didn't have a TV deal at the time and figured that would probably be the date of their weekly show.

Once talks with TNT started to point to an actual TV deal being made, they trademarked Wednesday afterwards since TNT has NBA games on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

NXT probably would have went on Tuesdays had AEW got a weekly Tuesday deal since there were some speculation of the possibility NXT moving to that night when WWE was shopping the brand to interested networks.
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WWE started putting NXT on USA only a few weeks before AEW was scheduled to begin airing on TNT.

(Also re-airing shows is not a new thing in TV in general. You pick the weirdest shit to use as a "gotcha.")
That doesn't change the fact that NXT was always on Wednesday nights.

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They trademarked Tuesday first because they didn't have a TV deal at the time and figured that would probably be the date of their weekly show.

Once talks with TNT started to point to an actual TV deal being made, they trademarked Wednesday afterwards since TNT has NBA games on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

NXT probably would have went on Tuesdays had AEW got a weekly Tuesday deal since there were some speculation of the possibility NXT moving to that night when WWE was shopping the brand to interested networks.
That still doesn't negate the fact that AEW's original strategy was to air on Tuesday nights. They play the victim card that big bad WWE is trying to hold them down by airing NXT on Wednesdays. HAD Dynamite been on Tuesdays, and HAD NXT suddenly moved to Tuesday nights, it would be one thing.

That's not what happened. AEW got the day and timeslot they got based on what TNT offered them. It just happened to be the same day NXT has aired their show on WWE Network. USA Network having lost Smackdown came in with an offer to get NXT for 2 hours for about 20 times less than Fox paid for Smackdown.

Yes, the NXT deal happened a few weeks before AEW was set to debut, because guess what, that is the week USA lost Smackdown. AEW's original debut date was planned to be on October 1st, 2019, the exact week WWE would be moving Smackdown to Friday nights.

Their plan was to absorb the fans that watched wrestling on Tuesday nights as soon as there was no more Tuesday Night wrestling. Because they couldn't get Tuesdays from TNT has nothing to do with WWE, that entire narrative that AEW is getting picked on by WWE because they are scared of AEW is bullshit.

Vince will take money for his content. It's why Fox Sports has classic WWE, it's why NBC's streaming service Peacock has WWE content, it's why Hulu gets next day episodes of Raw and Smackdown, and it's why Vince will take money from SyFy to reair the previous day episode of NXT.

Hell maybe I am wrong, maybe Vince is so afraid of AEW that he somehow convinces network presidents to not only put his show on the air, but to also pay him for the favor.
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Right, on their own Network. They didn't go on USA until they had to compete with AEW.

The NBA is a big draw for TNT, so it wouldn't matter what show was coming there. It was going to take a backseat of sorts. When the TV talks ramped up, AEW realized this and moved to Wednesday because it made more sense.

There are things to crap on AEW for, but this weird schedule thing you're fixated on isn't one of them.
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