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Old 02-16-2021, 01:32 PM   #59081
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Just found out Lacey Evans apparently started her wrasslin career at the tiny little local trainer/Indy fed here. Neat.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:07 PM   #59082
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Turns out Vince's recent edict on talent not being allowed to have accounts or deals with outside third party services is even more stricter than previously assumed.

They recently expanded the ban list to include Twitter and Instagram in regards to tweets and posts promoting third party stuff and not even charities are excluded from the ban.

Just like with Twitch and Cameo, WWE is also now claiming ownership of their talent's social media accounts.
What a miserable place to work independently contract.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:17 PM   #59083
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Its weird.... like I get it if you wanna control the "likeness" of the character, but the actual person behind said likeness? Wank beyond belief.


I don't see how this stays as the industry "status quo" moving forward.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:28 PM   #59084
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What a miserable place to work independently contract.
Vince really is a deluded, money grabbing old cunt.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:35 PM   #59085
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I admit I don't really know how being an independent contractor works, but how is that legal?
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:48 PM   #59086
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Basically, they pay you for a job, and the scope of the job, and that's it. No benefits of any sort. Shit, some places who hire contractors don't even bother with taking out fucking taxes.

I can get that "person X wouldn't be popular if it weren't for WWE". At the same time, Lana isn't Lana, she's CJ Perry. WWE doesn't like that the "likeness" of a character is their stuff and someone dare make a single cent on it.


If an independent contractor were to not have enough work, they would try to make up for that some way:


Better skillset, target a broader area with same services, etc.




I would think, some of these folks who aren't featured regularly probably aren't doing as well as years past due to the lack of live gates, merch sales from live events, etc. They are looking for alternative revenue streams and some have been wildly successful. WWE isn't getting a piece of that pie and feel like they are owed it because "you didn't build that, WWE built that".


All of that is moot of course, based on whatever the fook is in their contracts, I would think.
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Old 02-16-2021, 02:59 PM   #59087
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The one "perk" WWE gives its contracted performers is a downside guarantee. Which in it's simplest form is "if we don't book you often enough to get X number of dollars through gate, buys (in the old days) etc....we'll pay you the downside instead"

So it does at least give talent some guaranteed money in the door even if they go for a spell of not being on the road. But my understanding is that the downside for sitting at home is substantially less than if they were on the road with any degree of regularity.

Even in the pre-pandemic days, before the cruiserweight division was merged with NXT the cruisers were getting badly fucked because they'd be brought to Raw and SmackDown tapings but not always get booked, and only two of them would be on the road at a time for the token Cruiserweight Title match at a house show. The rest of the division was home from Wednesday-Sunday the rest of the time with no money coming in....and they had to pay for travel, expenses etc to get to TV. So they were all barely making anything after the downside.
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Old 02-16-2021, 05:16 PM   #59088
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:35 PM   #59089
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:58 PM   #59090
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Old 02-16-2021, 08:07 PM   #59091
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Old 02-16-2021, 09:21 PM   #59092
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Speculation that Keith Lee may have the rona. Missed the RAW taping and right now its apparently up in the air as to whether he is being pulled from the triple threat with Riddle/Lashley at EC.
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Old 02-16-2021, 09:55 PM   #59093
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:12 PM   #59094
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Speculation that Keith Lee may have the rona. Missed the RAW taping and right now its apparently up in the air as to whether he is being pulled from the triple threat with Riddle/Lashley at EC.
Well he missed the Rumble when Mia Yim was a confirmed positive and Lee's returned since then...meaning if Lee has it he might've exposed the entire Raw roster.
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:33 AM   #59095
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Old 02-17-2021, 12:57 AM   #59096
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I'm pretty sure that's why the question had the qualifier of only choosing from the ones listed. Not only would it be a runaway victory for Arn from anyone who has any sense, but they can't well put the guy over in any way while he's working for "the enemy" now, can they?
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Basically, they pay you for a job, and the scope of the job, and that's it. No benefits of any sort. Shit, some places who hire contractors don't even bother with taking out fucking taxes.

I can get that "person X wouldn't be popular if it weren't for WWE". At the same time, Lana isn't Lana, she's CJ Perry. WWE doesn't like that the "likeness" of a character is their stuff and someone dare make a single cent on it.


If an independent contractor were to not have enough work, they would try to make up for that some way:


Better skillset, target a broader area with same services, etc.




I would think, some of these folks who aren't featured regularly probably aren't doing as well as years past due to the lack of live gates, merch sales from live events, etc. They are looking for alternative revenue streams and some have been wildly successful. WWE isn't getting a piece of that pie and feel like they are owed it because "you didn't build that, WWE built that".


All of that is moot of course, based on whatever the fook is in their contracts, I would think.
What's crazy is that independent contractor status is actually very specific in its requirements.

These are the key factors that determine whether someone is an independent contractor: 1. The independent contractor is supposed to be free to work for other parties without interference or approval from the contracting party except for very limited circumstances. 2. The contracting party isn't allowed to tell the independent contractor when, where and how the work is to be performed or completed. 3. The contracting party isn't required, and in a lot of cases, isn't allowed, to provide any equipment for the contracting party to perform their work. 4. The independent contractor must pay for their own expenses and health insurance. Typically, if any two or more and certainly a majority of these don't apply, the independent contractor is actually an employee.

The only thing WWE really adheres to is the last one re: health insurance and expenses, and even covering expenses is certainly not always applicable for WWE's bigger stars.
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OH MY FUCKING GOD I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE

I had previously heard that the Mr. McMahon character was first used in Memphis, I'd never seen any clips before. Bret, Tatanka, and Savage all working as heels against Lawler and Jarrett. This is so incredible.
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Imagine living in Memphis at the time and just getting infuriated watching Monday Night Raw as they celebrate the squeaky clean babyface Bret Hart and them treating Lawler like a despicable lowlife. It would be so confusing and infuriating! They don’t know the whole story!
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They didn't know it was going on, those hicks had no tv's at the time.
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Imagine living in Memphis at the time and just getting infuriated watching Monday Night Raw as they celebrate the squeaky clean babyface Bret Hart and them treating Lawler like a despicable lowlife. It would be so confusing and infuriating! They don’t know the whole story!
Lawler actually did a promo on Memphis TV explaining why he's booed in the WWF and a face in Memphis.
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Old 02-17-2021, 07:43 PM   #59106
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According to Fightful, WWE recently held tapings for a new show for their NXT brand.

The new show is currently planned to be called NXT EVOLVE and seems to potentially be borrowing inspiration from RAW Underground, ROH's Pure title division, and Josh Barnett's Bloodsport series instead of being the rumored developmental or minor league system for NXT itself.

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Fightful Select that WWE has filmed content for a second NXT series that will tentatively be called NXT EVOLVE. Graphics and a title belt have been made with that branding, although it could still change.

Gabe Sapolsky and Jeremy Borash are ‘heavily involved’ with the production, which is said to be ‘nothing like anything else’ WWE has done. The tapings were in the warehouse that WWE used as a Performance Center during the pandemic.

Some of the newer WWE signings since this past summer were involved with the taping. Josiah Williams was the host, which has a “fight” feeling to it. There was no live commentary so if that’s added, it will be done in post-production.

It was previously reported that the show had been discussed before the COVID-19 pandemic. In fact, planning has been happening as far back as two years ago, with different versions pitched in that time. Different names had also been discussed for the show, including NXT Underground. It was noted the platform and plans are “not set in stone.”
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According to someone who attended tonight's NXT show, Kyle O’Reilly suffered a seizure after the show went off the air.
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According to someone who attended tonight's NXT show, Kyle O’Reilly suffered a seizure after the show went off the air.
Apparently the stuff with O'Reilly after NXT's show was either just a messed up idea someone had in NXT Creative or people being completely fooled by his sell job based on the way he was unresponsive and his history with diabetes issues or both.

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As previously reported, Kyle O’Reilly was stretchered out following Wednesday’s episode of WWE NXT. He was attended to by Triple H, Finn Balor and other officials.

O’Reilly was with Cole backstage and was responsive after the incident. Wrestling Inc. was able to confirm that they were just selling the closing angle and that the incident was a work.

O’Reilly is fine and he was just selling the closing angle on NXT.

The angle led to many people on the internet speculating that the incident was because O’Reilly has Type 1 Diabetes. I was told that they didn’t even anticipate that people would think it had to do with that. This was simply a case of WWE running an angle, but speculation ran rampant on social media after photos were leaked.
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As seen in the Twitter photos below from a fan in attendance inside the Capitol Wrestling Center at the WWE Performance Center in Orlando, O’Reilly was taken away on a stretcher by medics. Triple H and other officials were right there with him, as was NXT Champion Finn Balor, among others. The photos also show that a WWE camera man was filming as O’Reilly was tended to.

The fan noted that after hitting the steel steps at ringside during the main event angle, O’Reilly appeared to be knocked out until a ringside medic came over and had to wake him up. It was noted that O’Reilly’s condition looked “pretty bad” and it was also said that he suffered a seizure, but the seizure has not been confirmed. The fan added that the incident was scary to see as O’Reilly had to be waken up by the medic.
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I don't get why they did that part of the angle after the show ended since unlike AEW or WWE's other main roster shows, NXT gets an overrun for their shows and could have easily put that part in it.

Ending the show with the babyface getting stretchered out and heel Cole in the ring enhances the babyface sympathy and heel heat for both guys and gives you a stronger show closing ending. Instead WWE decided it would be better to just put it on Youtube or as one of those Network exclusive things for the clicks or some other odd reason.
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Konnan hospitalized with Kidney issues. Said to be pretty serious. Hope it's nothing to do with the transplant he had like 15 years ago.
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Apparently he's being discharged tomorrow. He also contracted Covid-19.
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Apparently the stuff with O'Reilly after NXT's show was either just a messed up idea someone had in NXT Creative or people being completely fooled by his sell job based on the way he was unresponsive and his history with diabetes issues or both.
Guess he took it literal when they said seize the moment .
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According to Wrestlenomics, WWE is giving a large number of their employees $3000 in company stocks to make up for the lack of raises and promotions. The stock awards given out fully vest or become guaranteed in March.

In other WWE related news, several former wrestlers recently banded together and have appealed to the Supreme Court to hear their lawsuit against WWE in regards to concussions. They are hoping the Supreme Court might overturn the decisions from a lower Connecticut court and US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that sided with WWE and dismissed their lawsuit against the company.
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That NXT Evolve show could be pretty good. Nice job by O’Reilly on the selling.
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Enjoyed the second episode of the Kurt Angle Show podcast. It's earned a spot in my rotation haha

On the flip side, Arn Anderson's podcast is pretty bad. I'm surprised it's still around.
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