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Old 12-28-2015, 09:29 PM   #561
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Can't see them killing any of the 3 new babyfaces.
At worst I see a double turn at the end of 8 followed by everything being"ok" by the end of 9. Maybe a Poe or Chewie death scene
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Old 12-28-2015, 09:32 PM   #562
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I wouldnt care at all, but I think it would become a HUGE thing if they had Fin and Ren end up hooking up. I mean like political/social thing. As a matter of fact I hope they do actually do it, but Im betting they chicken out.
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:01 PM   #563
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Look up Firefly. Flash. Etc.

Interracial love is old. Particularly in scifi.
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:02 PM   #564
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:36 PM   #565
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Inter-species relationships aplenty in Star Trek.

So no, it's not even a concern that they'd chicken out. And in any case the FinnRey ship is all but confirmed with all the subtext in the second half of the movie. The only possible reason not to go for it is a) a KyloRey ship swerve (if they are not related), b) PoeRey pairing, and c) they keep her single to sell the 'empowered female hero' vibe, as romance would put her in a position of need from a man. As Rog observes, they seem to have gone out of their way to show she needs no kind of assistance let alone a dude's romantic validation (her oblivious to Finn's obvious interest is even played for laughs).
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Old 12-29-2015, 02:06 AM   #566
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I wouldnt care at all, but I think it would become a HUGE thing if they had Fin and Ren end up hooking up. I mean like political/social thing. As a matter of fact I hope they do actually do it, but Im betting they chicken out.
Have you been living under a rock? Interracial relationships in film, or anywhere for that matter, haven't been "politically/socially HUGE" in decades. Especially in the sci-fi genre.
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Old 12-29-2015, 02:09 AM   #567
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Can't see them killing any of the 3 new babyfaces.
I thought Poe Dameron was gonna die at Starkiller Base. He was the Biggs Darklighter.
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Old 12-29-2015, 02:11 AM   #568
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Now that he is not Biggs anymore. I think Poe and Rey will be entering Bang City. Finn got friendzoned by the slight kiss to the forehead.
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Old 12-29-2015, 02:11 AM   #569
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He said Fin and Ren though, he's suggesting they be gay for politically/socially reasons or whatever.
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Old 12-29-2015, 02:22 AM   #570
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Old 12-29-2015, 03:39 AM   #571
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I don't know if it is but I kind of got the feeling that Kylo Ren might have known who Rey was. When he takes off his helmet in front of her its like he's waiting for her to recognize him and she doesn't. Like said I don't think she was mind wiped but just to young to really remember anyone in her real family. He might not know her at all but that's just the feeling I got from the scene.
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I dont think he knows her. He takes off the helmet after she makes some comment about him being a monster or something.
There is that, but he also seemed not only completely unsurpised at her abilities, but how exponentially stronger they were becomming. It seemed a tad out of character for him to simply "slightly annoyed" with this instead of getting all bitchy and pissy and "WHY IS SHE STRONGER THAN ME!?!?" mother of all tempertantrums about things.
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Old 12-29-2015, 03:49 AM   #572
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I wouldnt care at all, but I think it would become a HUGE thing if they had Fin and Ren end up hooking up. I mean like political/social thing. As a matter of fact I hope they do actually do it, but Im betting they chicken out.
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Look up Firefly. Flash. Etc.

Interracial love is old. Particularly in scifi.
But that wasn't Star Wars. Remember the collective internet bricks shat about Finn being *gasp* a black stormtrooper? Him also becoming Othello has the potential to cause heads to a'splode, no matter how "progressive" we have gotten with our fantasy. I'd like it to not be a big deal, either, but again, this is Star Wars. EVERYTHING will be made a big deal of.

And Firefly is kinda unfair... any straight man with any sense would want to spend some adult time with Zoe no matter how racist you think you might be. Also, funny, considering how closed minded Wash was to the idea of an actual psychic, dismissing thwt as science fiction. ("We live in a spaceship, dear.") Not as progressive as you'd assume.
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It is very unlikely they would do something that bold with their only female hero. Just like John Cena, there's some meta-marketing here with Rey being the female face of Star Wars. She'll be tantamount to a Disney Princess, and no way in hell will they run blind into a minefield making her a villain down the line.
I know. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't forgo all the money that stands to be made for somepotentially epically un-telegraphed storytelling. Since this is all speculation anyway, I can also see Chewie snapping and becoming a badass submis bounty hunter (a Wookie Punisher? The PunKashyyk?) and General I-don't-have-boob-armor is actually a deep, deep cover Rebel spy in disguise who has to display being a hardass to not blow her cover. Like Snape. Or Book.
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Old 12-29-2015, 04:27 AM   #574
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But that wasn't Star Wars. Remember the collective internet bricks shat about Finn being *gasp* a black stormtrooper? Him also becoming Othello has the potential to cause heads to a'splode, no matter how "progressive" we have gotten with our fantasy. I'd like it to not be a big deal, either, but again, this is Star Wars. EVERYTHING will be made a big deal of.

And Firefly is kinda unfair... any straight man with any sense would want to spend some adult time with Zoe no matter how racist you think you might be. Also, funny, considering how closed minded Wash was to the idea of an actual psychic, dismissing thwt as science fiction. ("We live in a spaceship, dear.") Not as progressive as you'd assume.
The only people who complained about Finn being a black stormtrooper were the internet basement-dwellers. The vast majority of people didn't give two shits. Remember how the internet exploded when Johnny Storm was made black? Yeah, not one person I knew IRL cared or even noticed. We all spend a lot of time in a forum, but we often forget that the majority of people do not. Hell, most of the people watching Star Wars are "casuals" these days, and "casuals" don't tend to have the polarizing opinions that "hardcore" fans do. Besides when has internet fanboy rage ever stopped something in Hollywood? I doubt Hollywood cares or even knows those whiners exist.
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There is that, but he also seemed not only completely unsurpised at her abilities, but how exponentially stronger they were becomming. It seemed a tad out of character for him to simply "slightly annoyed" with this instead of getting all bitchy and pissy and "WHY IS SHE STRONGER THAN ME!?!?" mother of all tempertantrums about things.
Funny, You and I saw that scene much different. I think he was shocked to find out how strong she was. I dont think he saw that coming at all.
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I mean why did Han chase after a stormtrooper and run around a corner to find a hundred troops shooting at him, and then not get shot.
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Harrison Ford became older so that they could sell more merchandise.
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Don't think they thought that far ahead. Lucas said very often that merch flying off shelves shocked him.
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The '3P0 got a red arm to sell more merch' is one of the stupidest things I keep seeing. I actually really liked it as a non-sequiter joke but it turns out we're getting a comic book to explain why his arm is red, because for all the complaining about Lucas, it turns out people really like his MO.
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I never saw Firefly or Flash but the story is usually "White guy and Black Girl" not "Black Guy and White Girl"
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It's a $4 billion plus investment for Disney. They have every right to make as much money from it as they can. If people want to buy it, then they will sell it
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The '3P0 got a red arm to sell more merch' is one of the stupidest things I keep seeing. I actually really liked it as a non-sequiter joke but it turns out we're getting a comic book to explain why his arm is red, because for all the complaining about Lucas, it turns out people really like his MO.
I'm more surprised about him not being a mishmash of various "new" parts by now. And the red arm joke, while funny, also made my aforementioned plot issue with BB-8 annoy me a little more.
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I'm more surprised about him not being a mishmash of various "new" parts by now. And the red arm joke, while funny, also made my aforementioned plot issue with BB-8 annoy me a little more.
What is your plot issue with BB8?
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Old 12-29-2015, 02:50 PM   #586
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What is your plot issue with BB8?
Do you mean painting BB8?
1. Why would Rey or Finn know to paint BB8?

2. It wasnt a concern of anyone's until Poe sent him on his way.

3. Where were they getting a can of paint on Jakku? There is no Home Depot.

4. They werent looking for BB8 specifically until they know he had the map.

5. This is like saying Luke and OB1 should've painted R2
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Rey should have painted Fin
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Look up Firefly. Flash. Etc.

Interracial love is old. Particularly in scifi.
TV shows and not big budget blockbusters with massive crossover appeal also wm/bw

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Have you been living under a rock? Interracial relationships in film, or anywhere for that matter, haven't been "politically/socially HUGE" in decades. Especially in the sci-fi genre.
Have YOU been living under a rock? That has always mattered and always will.

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The only people who complained about Finn being a black stormtrooper were the internet basement-dwellers. The vast majority of people didn't give two shits. Remember how the internet exploded when Johnny Storm was made black? Yeah, not one person I knew IRL cared or even noticed. We all spend a lot of time in a forum, but we often forget that the majority of people do not. Hell, most of the people watching Star Wars are "casuals" these days, and "casuals" don't tend to have the polarizing opinions that "hardcore" fans do. Besides when has internet fanboy rage ever stopped something in Hollywood? I doubt Hollywood cares or even knows those whiners exist.
Those people "IRL" are the ones exploding the internet. They do it becuse they are anonymous and say their actual opinions without being looked at like a monster from their friends, family, coworkers etc. Dont be naive.

Hollywood is in america. Do not forget the history here. Putting a black man and white woman leads in a romantic relationship is still a huge deal here. That would hit to the soul of southern white america. Racism has not gone away. Look at the youtube comments on people who are interracial couples. Look at the hateful stuff said on peoples facebook pictures.

We are not talking about internet fanboys. We are talking about the population. When was the last time that america produced a balanced and truthful war movie? By that I mean showing all the awful things we do? Hollywood doesnt dare do it. Why? Because of outrage.... by mainly the same population described above.


Now its time to wake up wishbone you are going to be late for school.
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I am all for it by the way. 1 because I dont care and 2 because some people just like to watch the world burn
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Might be worth a laugh but the group that tried to get a big boycott for the film because of it being "SJW Propaganda" believes they managed to generate $4.2 million in lost revenue for it and considers it as a big success.

The film itself already made over $1.09 billion since its release for some comparison.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1163802
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Aside from Ms. MaRey Sue there is nothing throat stuffingly SJW or progressive about TFA.
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Nothing wrong with Rey either. Seriously don't understand all this Mary Sue talk. Feel like I'm not nerd enough for the term I guess.
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Go back and read my write-up. Explained the Mary Sue thing in full. In fact not so much the write up but the replies to others where I go in further detail.

There is no way not to understand it.
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Is talking about George Lucas and his comments better, worse, or the same as talking about "Mary Sue?"
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Better, I read somewhere he didn't really like it and would've done something totally different. Feel like JJ did a great job in bringing everything together.


https://www.yahoo.com/tech/george-lu...153745258.html

This is where I read it. Yeah I'd rather talk about George Lucas's opinion than I would worry about interracial couples or a woman being the lead in the movie.
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My 2016 resolution is to never have to read the words "Mary Sue" ever again.
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I totally understand how George Lucas feels. I don't blame him at all. I love it that dude who made billions off of selling Star Wars probably wouldn't sell it again if he could do it all over. I believe he thinks that 1,2, and 3 are really good, and it kind of eats him alive that people hate them.

Also I bet his ideas for 7,8, and 9 are good ideas... However they probably wouldn't have worked if he was fully involved in the making of them.
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And yes saying you sold them to "white slavers" is not a good thing to say. I am aware of that.
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George Lucas probably watches the Phantom Menace once a month, and everyime he says to himself "Everyone is wrong, this is good. It's the beginning of the saga that I want to tell."

I really respect that about him. I'm probably just as crazy as he is for thinking that, but I really do respect that.
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