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Old 10-04-2021, 06:25 PM   #61681
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I’m glad I haven’t seen any of these “Nick Jackson/Shawn Michaels exchanges.”

Just seeing those two names next to each other... I can’t bite my tongue hard enough.
This is the first I'm hearing of said exchanges and I'm good with having no other information about them.
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Old 10-04-2021, 06:48 PM   #61682
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Are they actually exchanges between the guys, or just people comparing them? I know Meltzer is trying to do a “Nick Jackson is the closest thing to Shawn Michaels I’ve seen” thing.
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Old 10-04-2021, 06:49 PM   #61683
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going to one of the local feds later in the month. freelance wrestling. it's being held at a place i saw chikara a few times, and i love the venue. i know effy's already on the card. hoping they add danhausen (based on the poster). never seen him live before. also frank the clown is involved but i don't really care about that lol.
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Old 10-05-2021, 09:45 AM   #61684
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My issue is that he takes them as fact. He’s literally up there using stuff that cannot be verified because it didn’t happen as evidence. I get people like the news being stolen for them, but to say he posts “facts” and “information” is a bit of a stretch, since he has absolutely zero insight as to what is a fact and what is fiction.

Do any of us have any insight as to what is fact and fiction? No. He is reporting what sticks behind paywalls and also what the "industry news sites / whatever" are reporting as news. This is the way any reporting works, and the same methodology any reporter uses, doubly so in the entertainment industry.


I don't see Smeat going around saying "THIS IS 100% VERIFIABLE FACT!!! FUCKING FIGHT ME!". In fact, he's made MANY "correction" posts when information becomes available that may invalidate something he posted earlier.



Rather, he reports the news which he finds and posts it. If it doesn't fit your narrative or whatever, you take issue with HIM and not the actual source of the news. As much as smeetzsheetz.com should be an awesome website, it isn't his.


It would be like getting pissed off at the news anchor for reading whats on the teleprompter, or watching a news channel you dislike just so you can scream at it. Go for the source if you actually give a damn like you say. THEY are the ones throwing out "misinformation".
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Old 10-05-2021, 12:59 PM   #61685
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Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.
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I have taken the absolute biggest break from watching wrestling ever. Can’t remember the last show I actually watched. Probably highlights from SmackDown or something. I watched an individual clip from Dynamite, which was an awkward promo between Omega and Danielson where they kept saying “shit.”

Not very good anymore. And it doesn’t seem to be getting better.

And with all that, I’m still one of the most valuable posters here. Keeping the job squad in line and making sure people’s bad takes don’t get past without a scalding.
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Old 10-05-2021, 05:49 PM   #61686
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Do any of us have any insight as to what is fact and fiction? No. He is reporting what sticks behind paywalls and also what the "industry news sites / whatever" are reporting as news. This is the way any reporting works, and the same methodology any reporter uses, doubly so in the entertainment industry.


I don't see Smeat going around saying "THIS IS 100% VERIFIABLE FACT!!! FUCKING FIGHT ME!". In fact, he's made MANY "correction" posts when information becomes available that may invalidate something he posted earlier.



Rather, he reports the news which he finds and posts it. If it doesn't fit your narrative or whatever, you take issue with HIM and not the actual source of the news. As much as smeetzsheetz.com should be an awesome website, it isn't his.


It would be like getting pissed off at the news anchor for reading whats on the teleprompter, or watching a news channel you dislike just so you can scream at it. Go for the source if you actually give a damn like you say. THEY are the ones throwing out "misinformation".
No, no, no, it’s not. You’re being reasonable, but you’re missing what actually happens. If Smeat just posted the sheets, that would be more like what you’re saying at the end about attacking the reporter.

This little spat came up because he responded to a hypothetical I posted saying “that would be dumb because of all this historical evidence.” I responded to that and he started listing a bunch of things that didn’t happen. That literally happened. The WWE didn’t buy CMLL and dissolve it into Mexico. They didn’t buy NOAH or STARDOM and do the same thing in Japan. He takes this shit at face value. That’s my issue.

Reporting on hearsay is fine. Sometimes you have to do it. That’s why I initially defended Smeat when other people got up him for posting shit. But he goes that extra step into inserting himself citing it with a “Well, actually.” That’s why I tell him off. Because he’s reporting a bunch of hearsay that is designed to get clicks, sell newsletters and push a narrative. If you think about the stories, some of them anyway, for more than one minute, you realize how they cannot be true. How could Vince McMahon initially taken control of NXT? He’s a busy man. He’d be busy on Wednesdays. Just think about it. That’s all I ask. And don’t act like you’re in possession of some holy relic because you can regurgitate it. His entire arguments, when he sees something he doesn’t like, are based around newsletter info. He doesn’t add a single thought of his own, or respond to them. An essay by Smeat would be source, source, source, source with no critical thinking. And they wouldn’t be good sources either. But he still acts smart because of them. Anyone can post someone else’s thoughts.

In this thread, he backed up someone calling the things he posted “facts.” His borrowed opinion is “fact.” I can see through the news reports that, you know, predicted the end of the world that didn’t come? Those ones. I don’t like “facts.”

And if you attack the sources, he’ll defend them too. Post the bullshit, but when someone posts “Hey, you know that’s not true right?” don’t call them an asshole and whatever. And Smeat does, he’s not above it. His news sharing gives him a sense of authority and he doesn’t like that being challenged. See what happens when you question whether or not Meltzer still has any good WWE sources. Defends the shit out of him. When was the last story Meltzer broke? Edge to the WWE? He got that from AEW because Edge had signed a deal with WWE and The Bucks or someone told Dave they couldn’t talk to him anymore. Can’t think of one more recent than that.
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Old 10-05-2021, 05:57 PM   #61687
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drave, here is Smeat responding to someone saying something he posted was truth:

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Guess so these days if it goes against whatever views or preconceived notions one might have towards wrestling.

Same for something that gets dismissed as being truthful suddenly becomes the truth if it fits into whatever narrative someone has about it. Doesn't matter if nothing about the actual matter or issue changed. Ratings talk being the biggest example of it around here.
He thinks he’s posting truth. The things he posted were about things that never happened.

I’m sure his “ratings talk” there is the Meltzer, grab some numbers from Showbuzz charts (super academic source there), put emphasis on the area you want to make one company look better than the other, spin that into a story to sell newsletters. He believes what he is sold.
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Old 10-05-2021, 06:05 PM   #61688
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He does use qualifiers here, I’ll give him that.

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So providing links as potential evidence now no longer counts as being possible information or facts.

Do you know how stupid your post sounds.

Nevermind, don't bother responding since its just going to lead to more headaches on my end.

I legit don't know why I keep bothering hanging around this place since you keep making it be a miserable experience with all the nonsense and shit attitude you've had in recent years.
Links to bullshit websites. Are they potential evidence? Sure. Maybe. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. But when the source turns out to be wrong? Yeah, that’s not good evidence.

And yeah, I’m stupid and full of nonsense because I pointed out that NXT Japan and NXT Mexico didn’t happen. And because I point out that cable television is a different industry than it was 20 years ago — younger demos use streaming. Why did AEW get booted off TNT for a property that doesn’t draw as high a demo? And why did WarnerMedia pay so much more for it than AEW? Hmm. Could it be that the demo talk is all bullshit and you can see through it with the slightest bit of common sense.

That’s why he brought up the ratings, by the way. He cannot stand that people would question Dave’s interpretations of these numbers. His hyper-literal, god-fearing, these are a stone cold science interpretation of the numbers. Which does have to squint sometimes to make those gaps seem smaller, or this gap seem wider.

Numbers are fixed, but how people use them is malleable. The meaning they extract is variable.
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Old 10-06-2021, 12:01 AM   #61689
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Old 10-06-2021, 01:53 AM   #61690
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Gerald Brisco and JBL's new podcast is a ton of fun.

It's called "Stories with Brisco and Bradshaw"
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Old 10-06-2021, 11:07 AM   #61692
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Never thought I’d see the day where Gerry Brisco and Bradshaw would have a podcast together.
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Old 10-06-2021, 11:08 AM   #61693
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What do they go on about?
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Old 10-06-2021, 11:09 AM   #61694
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I saw part of their Blue Meanie interview. Good stuff.
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Bradshaw can talk. Does Gerry sound sharp?
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Bradshaw can talk. Does Gerry sound sharp?
Maybe you can just pull up short clips on YouTube and form a long-winded and all-encompassing opinion about it.
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They have weekly guests and just shoot the shit.
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Yeah Gerry sounds great
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watching mlw on vice...

I have NO IDEA why they dedicated a talk show segment to discuss WWE and AEW news in the middle of the show, like wtf

"Is WWE for sale"

"Should AEW sign Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn"
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Old 10-08-2021, 12:46 AM   #61706
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Old 10-08-2021, 01:08 AM   #61707
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He was a ring announcer for ECW. Looks pretty bad!

I thin MLW is putting those Wrestling writers on their show so that those writers will write about MLW like it's important.
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Is that Stephen Dangelis?
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Old 10-08-2021, 01:23 AM   #61709
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Is that Stephen Dangelis?
Yeah. He started working for MLW a few years back when I was going to their shows.
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Old 10-08-2021, 01:30 AM   #61711
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MLW announces Will Ospreay coming to MLW in the fall
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Old 10-08-2021, 05:00 PM   #61712
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Surprised theres no clips of Xavier and Paige hidden somewhere...
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Interesting. I’ve heard he’s not horrid anymore. I’d love to see MLW put themselves on the map.
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Surprised theres no clips of Xavier and Paige hidden somewhere...
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They only did 40k viewers. I mean, that might be in line with what Vice was expecting, but I dunno.
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watching mlw on vice...

I have NO IDEA why they dedicated a talk show segment to discuss WWE and AEW news in the middle of the show, like wtf

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"Should AEW sign Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn"
yeah i wish they had 3 matches instead. i wonder is fatu leaving the way he lost.
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Tajiri worked the show. Another reason to watch.
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This video was in the pre show last night but it's so great that I'm posting it here
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Hammerstone/Fatu would have been a great match if Hammer didn't slap his thigh no joke at least 50 times. Dude slaps his thigh so blatantly for every goddamn move! And I love AEW!

Will Ospreay in MLW could be interesting and get some buzz there. I just don't really know who his "best oppponent" would be? The mentioned Myron Reed, and yeah that will be fine. But Will moved to heavyweight and that would be a step back in my opinion.
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