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Old 02-01-2022, 01:52 AM   #63401
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That'll be Jeff. He'll be wrestling when he's 80. Matts had issues before, I think with his back if I remember correctly. He's got to be close to hanging it up.
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Old 02-01-2022, 03:26 AM   #63402
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... meanwhile, Mustafa Ali is essentially being held hostage.
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Old 02-01-2022, 03:31 AM   #63403
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Shouldn't have went to social media. He tried to spite them and now they are returning the favor. The last thing I'm doing at my job I don't like is trying to piss everyone off. It's already bad enough, why make it worse?

Also hostage is a bit harsh. Hostages don't get paid 6 figures to sit around and basically do whatever they want. If that's what a hostage is then sign me tf up.
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Old 02-01-2022, 03:49 AM   #63404
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Shouldn't have went to social media. He tried to spite them and now they are returning the favor. The last thing I'm doing at my job I don't like is trying to piss everyone off. It's already bad enough, why make it worse?

Also hostage is a bit harsh. Hostages don't get paid 6 figures to sit around and basically do whatever they want. If that's what a hostage is then sign me tf up.
Oh, I personally agree with the money part. But maybe he doesn't exactly need it, nor does he need any sort of legal entanglement for just walking like someone such as Mr. Of The River had to do.

Also, my point is that Jeff walked out, and can bascially do whatever he wants. Mustafa said he wants out, and they told him no... and it feels like one of those "better to ask forgiveness than permission" types of things.

Also also, I still don't get why WWE is like this. They won't let people leave if they're unhappy - even having gone so far as to add time on their contract for time missed while injured (I think it happened to more than one person, but I can only think of Rey Rey that one time) - but will fire people who moved halfway across the country or made huge consessions for them with the expectation they were going to be with the company for awhile. You'd think shit would be the other way around.
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Old 02-01-2022, 09:01 AM   #63405
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And it isn't like they are even going to use him for anything at this point. If they do, he should shit the bed and not care like EC3 at the end of his "run".


Thinking about it, if you aren't using a guy AND you won't let him go, why is that? Is there something to be afraid of? Certainly not, I wouldn't think, not with a talent like him who is "good", but not a "superstar".
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Old 02-01-2022, 09:50 AM   #63406
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That'll be Jeff. He'll be wrestling when he's 80. Matts had issues before, I think with his back if I remember correctly. He's got to be close to hanging it up.
I think Matt said shortly before his WWE deal was up that he thinks he's got 3-4 years left on a "modest schedule" and that would be 2 years ago now, so yeah I think he's on very limited time. Probably wants to get out before he's too beat up to play with his kids that Reby keeps having.

Jeff inferred in 2020 that he could be on borrowed time in the ring too so I dunno. He's admitted that the bumps have taken a real toll over the years, hence why he protects himself on the Swanton now instead of the other way around. But of the two he's definitely the one I can see changing his mind and sticking around until he's taken one bump too many.

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Old 02-01-2022, 11:57 AM   #63407
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Old 02-01-2022, 12:45 PM   #63408
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Meltzer reporting Shane vs Seth is the WM plan, weird if true
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Old 02-01-2022, 12:47 PM   #63409
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lol I just saw the dark match after RAW last night was Becky vs Bianca. I bet you can guess how that turned out lol.

Bianca squashed Becky in 12 seconds.
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Old 02-01-2022, 01:32 PM   #63410
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On Mustafa Ali: Ask for your release privately, then when the next round comes up, you’ll be let go. Seriously, they do this with basically everyone that asks these days. Lucha House Party are examples of that. Don’t go public, you fucking twat.

On Jeff Hardy: Ask for your release privately, then when the next the round comes up, you’ll be let go. This isn’t that hard. But wrestlers are fucking morons who jump onto hard surfaces back-first for a living, so go figure they can’t work this out.
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Old 02-01-2022, 01:33 PM   #63411
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Hiring Jeff is a terrible idea right now. If he can do it to Vince, he can do it to you. Matt should also be fired, just because he’s terrible.
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Old 02-01-2022, 01:45 PM   #63412
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On Mustafa Ali: Ask for your release privately, then when the next round comes up, you’ll be let go. Seriously, they do this with basically everyone that asks these days. Lucha House Party are examples of that. Don’t go public, you fucking twat.

On Jeff Hardy: Ask for your release privately, then when the next the round comes up, you’ll be let go. This isn’t that hard. But wrestlers are fucking morons who jump onto hard surfaces back-first for a living, so go figure they can’t work this out.
Agreed. Ali's problem is not that he asked for his release, it's that he asked for his release and then went public about it. Vince will let him SIT for however much is left on this contract, he doesn't give a fuck.
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Old 02-01-2022, 02:36 PM   #63413
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Do we know for a fact he didn’t ask for it privately? I have no idea. But if he did and was denied, then I don’t blame him. They pulled the same shit with Brody.
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Old 02-01-2022, 03:01 PM   #63414
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Old 02-01-2022, 03:59 PM   #63415
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Agreed. Ali's problem is not that he asked for his release, it's that he asked for his release and then went public about it. Vince will let him SIT for however much is left on this contract, he doesn't give a fuck.
He may be lucky and get out in the next batch of releases, but he may have pushed that all back. Inadvertently saved a bunch of people their jobs…or prevented people from getting out.
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Old 02-01-2022, 06:12 PM   #63416
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No difference-makers in there, but it’ll be interesting to see where they end up all the same. Harry Smith is probably the one I’m most interested in.
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lol Sami Zayn attacked Johnny Knoxville at the Jackass premiere. Johnny fought back and got Zayn kicked out the theatre.

Zayn was then lurking outside posting online how he's waiting for Knoxville to come out after the show lol.

Guess that's your celebrity WM match this year.
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I don’t know why I still listen to the free clips from Meltzer and Alvarez. They’re full of shit and don’t know what they’re talking about. I guess it just keeps me up to date the talking points. But I just got so frustrated listening to the one from Tuesday talking about how AEW is so good at creating stars, yet WWE sucks at it so much. Yet…their show is watched by way more people than the other show? How does that make ANY sense?

Austin Theory beats Kevin Owens, Alvarez complains. His defense is that WWE has to beat him at the Chamber. Does he whinge about this when AEW does a clusterfuck featuring its alleged rising stars? Of course not.

AEW protects its “stars.” Never mind the sooking he does when the WWE tries to do the same — he’ll only use this as an argument when talking about WWE bringing guys up.

MJF had a win-loss percentage of 77% in 2021, by the way. Jungle Boy 70%. Allin did better at 89%. Year before he was 60%.
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lol Sami Zayn attacked Johnny Knoxville at the Jackass premiere. Johnny fought back and got Zayn kicked out the theatre.

Zayn was then lurking outside posting online how he's waiting for Knoxville to come out after the show lol.

Guess that's your celebrity WM match this year.
i predict it's a jackass-style cinematic pure comedy segment. gotta fill up those two cards!
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I’m fine with Zayn and Knoxville. I wonder if it would be better off on FOX, letting a lot of people see it and getting it out of the way. But maybe they can space it out until then.
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Old 02-02-2022, 04:04 AM   #63426
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I see Impact Wrestling making it pretty good out of that recently released talent.
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Old 02-02-2022, 05:11 AM   #63427
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On Mustafa Ali: Ask for your release privately, then when the next round comes up, you’ll be let go. Seriously, they do this with basically everyone that asks these days. Lucha House Party are examples of that. Don’t go public, you fucking twat.

On Jeff Hardy: Ask for your release privately, then when the next the round comes up, you’ll be let go. This isn’t that hard. But wrestlers are fucking morons who jump onto hard surfaces back-first for a living, so go figure they can’t work this out.
Imagine applying this same "logic" to literally any other job.

"Hey, I want to put in my two weeks notice."

"Okay, well, we don't fire people until one particular time of year, so just continue driving your ass to the office for another five months."

I'm sure you'd say you would do just that just to uphold your point, but in real life practice, pretty sure nobody would want to actually go along with that shit. But because it's some "dream job" notion, not getting the release you ask for from a company not keen on keeping you somehow makes you a "twat".

Especially if you have other shit you want or need to do, and two weeks notice is really just more of a formality to somewhat ensure you can be hired back. And even that doesn't doesn't neccessarily apply to WWE either, since they've brought back people they've fired, publicly buried, and had even become persona non grata for years at a time. With all the hay made out of Jeff's departure, pretty sure they would bring both Hardyz back... especially Jeff, because they'd see some sort of percentage in it. All this really says is that they see value in the guy, but want to pretend they don't. They're still on that toy collecting nonsense.

Jeff might have wanted to ask for a release, too, but would have been in the same boat of needing to sit out however long his contract was, so he pretened to be fucked up and they let him go under the guise of a wellness violation to avoid any negative PR. Not a popular scheme, but it got him out of contract.

I get the point behind being so-called "professional", but it's a two way street. Who gives a fuck if they want to work for the supposed competition that you also pretend isn't competition? And again, it isn't like they didn't do this type of shit even when AEW or resurrection of NWA didn't exist. Or when they pretended ROH or TNA weren't a thing. Or hell, even before they really *were* a thing.

This whole thing makes zero sense from WWE's standpoint:

-It makes zero business sense to pay someone just to spite them.

-It makes zero business sense to arbitrarily keep someone around you're not using and/or minimizing.

-It makes zero buisness sense to fire people who actually want to be there to "save money", but continue paying someone who doesn't want to be there.
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Imagine applying this same "logic" to literally any other job.

"Hey, I want to put in my two weeks notice."

"Okay, well, we don't fire people until one particular time of year, so just continue driving your ass to the office for another five months."

I'm sure you'd say you would do just that just to uphold your point, but in real life practice, pretty sure nobody would want to actually go along with that shit. But because it's some "dream job" notion, not getting the release you ask for from a company not keen on keeping you somehow makes you a "twat".

Especially if you have other shit you want or need to do, and two weeks notice is really just more of a formality to somewhat ensure you can be hired back. And even that doesn't doesn't neccessarily apply to WWE either, since they've brought back people they've fired, publicly buried, and had even become persona non grata for years at a time. With all the hay made out of Jeff's departure, pretty sure they would bring both Hardyz back... especially Jeff, because they'd see some sort of percentage in it. All this really says is that they see value in the guy, but want to pretend they don't. They're still on that toy collecting nonsense.

Jeff might have wanted to ask for a release, too, but would have been in the same boat of needing to sit out however long his contract was, so he pretened to be fucked up and they let him go under the guise of a wellness violation to avoid any negative PR. Not a popular scheme, but it got him out of contract.

I get the point behind being so-called "professional", but it's a two way street. Who gives a fuck if they want to work for the supposed competition that you also pretend isn't competition? And again, it isn't like they didn't do this type of shit even when AEW or resurrection of NWA didn't exist. Or when they pretended ROH or TNA weren't a thing. Or hell, even before they really *were* a thing.

This whole thing makes zero sense from WWE's standpoint:

-It makes zero business sense to pay someone just to spite them.

-It makes zero business sense to arbitrarily keep someone around you're not using and/or minimizing.

-It makes zero buisness sense to fire people who actually want to be there to "save money", but continue paying someone who doesn't want to be there.
Nice job putting words into my mouth. I’ve always said that talent should be able to leave the WWE if they want. I’m just able to see their perspective too, given that WWE offers a global platform to allow people to market themselves. Bo competes definitely make sense. As does not rewarding an idiot for going public saying that he wants to break his contract like that is a key. Brian Kendrick has already been released from his deal. Bad-mouthing the company, whether you agree with their hiring/firing policies or not is a stupid motherfucking way to go about achieving your goal, if your goal is actually to get out.

Jeff Hardy didn’t ask for his release from the company. Do you know how I know this? Because they didn’t fucking fire him when they were looking to unload people.

They recently sent Mustafa Ali over to Saudi Arabia. That’s one of their highest paying gigs of the year. And they have been firing people who don’t want to be there to save money. That’s why Lucha House Party went. Mustafa Ali probably would have gone if he didn’t make such an unprofessional stink.

By the way, Tony Khan is apparently pretty hell-bent on getting people to honor their contracts too. We’ll see if he’s got the guts, but let’s not pretend it’s just Evil Vince.
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Old 02-02-2022, 10:30 AM   #63429
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Didn’t he literally kill a man trying that? Fucking hell.
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Meltzer reporting Shane vs Seth is the WM plan, weird if true
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Old 02-02-2022, 12:38 PM   #63433
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Ric Flair and Fifi have broken up. They were together for several years and she was his manager a long time ago. Reports that they separated a few months ago. I wonder if the Darkside documentary is a reason for their split?
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If on the horizon for wrestling in the US there is a new company in the distance, there is one thing I am really hoping for. When I watch WWE or AEW, New Japan, Impact... everyone is doing this "hyper-speed" pro wrestling. It's all influenced by Japan and early ROH days. This style that works well for smaller people, the dives and kick pads, the thigh slaps and limited selling for devastating spots.

I really want a product that does none of that. Go back to the basic and drag down the action to a point where the back and forth punches of a Bockwinkle and Lawler in the Memphis Coliseum would rivet the audience like they were in a Rocky movie.

There is such a focus of gymnastic style moves and to an extent it's cool. Like when Ricochet and Ospreay did that match several years ago in the J Cup, that was game changing. It was like Marvel meets wrestling. As a spectacle, or a showcase it was cool but now that is dominating the cards.

I still love watching AEW and a lot of their super speed matches are really cool but I do really want to see someone go with a different take. If that hypothetical promotion were to ever happen.

Of course there is always the chance that ROH could turn their product into something different when they return. I mean they have a lot of guys I'd try to get back like Gresham and Bandido, but they also had Adam Scherr on their last show. I wonder if that is a sign that they are going to be picking up some new names, since obviously they were able to get out of all their other contracts that will be happening on some level.

Also just wanted to mention that FTR did show up at the Final Battle PPV and face off with The Briscoes. While that could be a match that get's a spot on a GCW or perhaps even an AEW show, I think it would make more sense for that match to take place at ROH's return WM weekend at Supercard of Honor.

ROH will probably have a pretty interesting card for that show and I do expect that AEW will lend a hand, and we are likely to see some new signings that we didn't expect so that show will be worth watching.
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This is the same guy who sued WCW because they didn’t give him the same pay as Ric Flair, right?
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