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Old 10-21-2021, 04:13 AM   #6521
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Now Tony Khan is out here burying Eric Bischoff and Matt Sydel. He can't help himself, and I very much dislike him. I guarantee this dude's emails have way worse stuff in them than Jon Gruden's. The way he spazzes out at any criticism, I bet he has some good rants in his emails
Lol, why is he burying Sydal? Doesn’t he work for him?
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Old 10-21-2021, 01:04 PM   #6522
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Lol, why is he burying Sydal? Doesn’t he work for him?
Lol yes!

"Matt Sydal, who’s a great high flyer and great technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling."
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Old 10-21-2021, 01:15 PM   #6523
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Lol yes!

"Matt Sydal, who’s a great high flyer and great technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling."
JFC. How are stating factual realities about a guy burying him exactly? He didn't say Sydal was worthless, had no talent, wasn't a draw at all, that he would never amount to anything, or that no one should care about him, just that he isn't yet as big of a name as other folks.
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Old 10-21-2021, 01:20 PM   #6524
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but what's the purpose of saying it at all? what does anyone gain by pointing that fact out? silly.
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Old 10-21-2021, 01:49 PM   #6525
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but what's the purpose of saying it at all? what does anyone gain by pointing that fact out? silly.
In context, he was comparing their Rampage card to SD's card and the talent involved and whether he wanted to change the card, and in response to Bischoff's crticism and hypocrisy, that unlike Bischoff when he ran WCW, AEW is giving younger or less over talent matches against more over or experienced talent in an effort to eventually build and keep future stars instead of ultimately chasing them off to the competition.
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Old 10-21-2021, 01:52 PM   #6526
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I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

“This is the first time on a Friday we've gone head-to-head like that and I thought it was pretty aggressive what they came in with, they loaded it up with the biggest stars they have and I had to make that choice; do I change up the card we have, which has some big stars like CM Punk, who is one of the biggest names in wrestling, against Matt Sydal, who is a great high-flyer and technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling. That's a great match for the fans. I had to think if I should change that to a crazy box office match and go head-to-head, but I didn't.”

He was making the point that going with a bigger name over a talented guy without a major name was an option but he ultimately declined it. Context matters.
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Old 10-21-2021, 01:55 PM   #6527
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lol, completely changes the tone
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Old 10-21-2021, 02:00 PM   #6528
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It's purpose seemed to be to express to fans and talent who might be interested and/or hearing criticism, that AEW's not simply another WCW or mismanaged company who doesn't build or give legit chances to potential future stars, and that a lot of the people criticizing them are often hypocritical and/or have another agenda/goal.
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Old 10-21-2021, 02:03 PM   #6529
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Matt Sydal isn't a future star though. He's a high flyer who is almost 40 and in his 21st year of action. His best days are behind him.
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i have no real interest in punk/sydal. this isn't 04 ROH.
i appreciate tony's rationale, but i still think it was a useless match to book.
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Old 10-21-2021, 02:17 PM   #6531
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I still agree with Sexy Wexy that there's no point in stating he's not a big name. You could leave everything else in and it would still work just fine. Hell you could have reworded it to say he's an extremely talented individual who hasn't been given the opportunity to be a star until now.

The way he worded it however, is not how a promoter should ever describe his talent.

Tony Khan continues to be his own worst enemy. Bischoff's comments were spot on.
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Old 10-21-2021, 04:23 PM   #6533
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but what's the purpose of saying it at all? what does anyone gain by pointing that fact out? silly.
Bingo. Burying someone doesn’t need to be something malicious or in the tone of “you suck.” TK is shining a light on shortcomings for no good reason. This guy needs to shut up and get out of his own way. He doesn’t “get it.”
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Old 10-22-2021, 11:06 AM   #6534
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I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

“This is the first time on a Friday we've gone head-to-head like that and I thought it was pretty aggressive what they came in with, they loaded it up with the biggest stars they have and I had to make that choice; do I change up the card we have, which has some big stars like CM Punk, who is one of the biggest names in wrestling, against Matt Sydal, who is a great high-flyer and technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling. That's a great match for the fans. I had to think if I should change that to a crazy box office match and go head-to-head, but I didn't.”

He was making the point that going with a bigger name over a talented guy without a major name was an option but he ultimately declined it. Context matters.
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Old 10-22-2021, 06:29 PM   #6535
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Speaking of not getting it.
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Cry over some more nitpicky shit, moron.
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Cry over some more nitpicky shit, moron.
There’s some high-level thinking.
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I guess it’s a step up from your usual tactic of shitting on AEW for something you’ve personally fantasy booked and then avoiding the matter when they don’t do it. Gotta do what you can to keep convincing yourself you’re a genius, eh?
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And for the record, Tony Khan says LEGIT dumb shit occasionally. To nitpick this quote even after I posted the context REEKS of desperation. I don’t care about him or AEW. I just don’t like that thing you and xrod do where you make bad points in the most arrogant manner imaginable and either refuse to see the fault or pretend not to for trolling sake. It’s a personality disorder that peeves me. We’ll call it Drofording.
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I can forgive the occasional dumb Tony Khan statement as long as he’s continuing to produce excellent professional wrestling programming.
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That’s a dapper-looking motherfucker. I take back that statement I made. I DO care about Tony Kahn. He is our savior. WHO WANTS TO FIGHT ME?!
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I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

“This is the first time on a Friday we've gone head-to-head like that and I thought it was pretty aggressive what they came in with, they loaded it up with the biggest stars they have and I had to make that choice; do I change up the card we have, which has some big stars like CM Punk, who is one of the biggest names in wrestling, against Matt Sydal, who is a great high-flyer and technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling. That's a great match for the fans. I had to think if I should change that to a crazy box office match and go head-to-head, but I didn't.”

He was making the point that going with a bigger name over a talented guy without a major name was an option but he ultimately declined it. Context matters.
By cherry picking do you mean quoting the exact part where he was talking about Matt Sydal?

You got me, I didnt include the parts where he was whining about how WWE was "Aggressive" trying to hurt poor lil ole AEW, and how he had to consider not using a 38 year old 21 year pro who isnt a star but can do good jumps. Or how he pushes young stars unlike Eric Bischoff 25 years ago, when FYI the youngest WCW World Champion was 11 years younger than AEW's youngest World Champion. Hell even Bill Goldberg was only 31 when he won his first World Championship. I guess I should have included that for context because it relates completely to the 1 sentance he brought up and buried Matt Sydal.

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And for the record, Tony Khan says LEGIT dumb shit occasionally. To nitpick this quote even after I posted the context REEKS of desperation. I don’t care about him or AEW. I just don’t like that thing you and xrod do where you make bad points in the most arrogant manner imaginable and either refuse to see the fault or pretend not to for trolling sake. It’s a personality disorder that peeves me. We’ll call it Drofording.
The context was we are being bullied, but we are so good we didnt even have to replace that nobody Matt Sydal, because we are WAY more successful than WWE and Eric Bischoff ever have been. Fuck Tony Khan, not just because he is a weird creepy jackass who cant keep his foot out of his month, but also because AEW would be much more likable if this weird creepy jackass stayed out of the public eye and shut the fuck up.
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By cherry picking do you mean quoting the exact part where he was talking about Matt Sydal?

You got me, I didnt include the parts where he was whining about how WWE was "Aggressive" trying to hurt poor lil ole AEW, and how he had to consider not using a 38 year old 21 year pro who isnt a star but can do good jumps. Or how he pushes young stars unlike Eric Bischoff 25 years ago, when FYI the youngest WCW World Champion was 11 years younger than AEW's youngest World Champion. Hell even Bill Goldberg was only 31 when he won his first World Championship. I guess I should have included that for context because it relates completely to the 1 sentance he brought up and buried Matt Sydal.

My Bad.
Yes. That’s literally what I meant when I said “context matters”. Often times one sentence can sound horrible but then when you slide it into the context of the entire quote it sounds better.

Now, we can look at all this other stuff you mentioned and see if it was just a dumb thing to say or if you’re cherry picking again but first I need to know... Do you understand that quotes CAN be taken out of context or is any sentence from a larger statement free to be ridiculed on its own?
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Yes. That’s literally what I meant when I said “context matters”. Often times one sentence can sound horrible but then when you slide it into the context of the entire quote it sounds better.

Now, we can look at all this other stuff you mentioned and see if it was just a dumb thing to say or if you’re cherry picking again but first I need to know... Do you understand that quotes CAN be taken out of context or is any sentence from a larger statement free to be ridiculed on its own?
Yes, like I said the context was "we are being bullied, but we are so good we didnt even have to replace that nobody Matt Sydal, because we are WAY more successful than WWE and Eric Bischoff ever have been."

And another point about context, check out my initial post

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Now Tony Khan is out here burying Eric Bischoff and Matt Sydel. He can't help himself, and I very much dislike him. I guarantee this dude's emails have way worse stuff in them than Jon Gruden's. The way he spazzes out at any criticism, I bet he has some good rants in his emails
Clearly not a serious tone, "context" wise bringing up Jon Gruden's emails, yet you overreacted

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I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.
You get that was a pretty aggressive way to reply, following it up with some further loaded replies. But also, I post the best, I don't just bury other posters who are future stars here.
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Well, you presented it in a playful tone. You like to do that so you can always claim “I was just kidding! GOD!” if you get called out. It’s fine. Noid should adopt that strategy. It’s preferable. And I let it pass until Noid got you to double down on it. THEN I felt the need to rain on the parade with reality.

But just for future reference, as long as you put some “lol” type comment at the end, your Tony Khan gripes should not be taken seriously, right? Because again, I’m cool with that and I’ll be happy to rag on people when they take it seriously on your behalf. Maybe give a playful “lol You scallywag!” comment as a response.
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Well, you presented it in a playful tone. You like to do that so you can always claim “I was just kidding! GOD!” It’s fine. Noid should adopt that strategy. It’s preferable. I was willing to let it pass until Noid got you to double down on it. THEN I felt the need to rain on the parade with reality.

But just for future reference, as long as you put some “lol” type comment at the end, your Tony Khan gripes should not be taken seriously, right? Because again, I’m cool with that and I’ll be happy to rag on people when they take it seriously on your behalf. Maybe give a playful “lol You scallywag!” comment in return.
Just because I find something funny does not mean there is no actual gripe, but yes when it's funny stupid there is certainly a different tone. Tony Khan trying to get himself and his show over by patting himself on the back for not pulling the "not a star Sydal" is a funnily stupid brag, and I commented poking fun. That is not giving myself an out, but it is also not an angry discussion.

I quoted the part about Sydal because Nerfect was surprised Khan would say that. That was not an intention to cherry pick in order to spin it, but I stand by it. That is a shitty way to describe a member of his roster. And it wasnt even beforehand to get an underdog story going, he said it after Sydal already lost. It is comical.
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I guess it’s a step up from your usual tactic of shitting on AEW for something you’ve personally fantasy booked and then avoiding the matter when they don’t do it. Gotta do what you can to keep convincing yourself you’re a genius, eh?
Lol, it’s not my fault your education system sucks. By the way, they are pushing Adam Page to the title now after needing to take him off TV to rehab his image. I don’t know why you’re so caught up in that, especially when I was right.

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You’ve got a lot of problems. You always start from the assumption that you are correct. What *you* deem to be a stupid thing Tony Khan is fine to comment on. What other people find stupid? Nah, they’re wrong.

TK’s stupid comment here was stupid. You provided no context that alleviates that.
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Lol, it’s not my fault your education system sucks. By the way, they are pushing Adam Page to the title now after needing to take him off TV to rehab his image. I don’t know why you’re so caught up in that, especially when I was right.
Lol He literally did not and has not won the title. Daniel Bryan also literally did not beat Kenny Omega in that non-title match in “sooooo WWE” fashion like you shit on them for doing.

Claiming “I was right” about things that you were DEMONSTRABLY wrong about and anyone can verify is some serious mental illness shit.

And doing it while insulting someone else’s education. Holy... fucking... shit. Lol
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Lol He literally did not and has not won the title. Daniel Bryan also literally did not beat Kenny Omega in that non-title match in “sooooo WWE” fashion like you shit on them for doing.

Claiming “I was right” about things that you were DEMONSTRABLY wrong about and anyone can verify is some serious mental illness shit.

And doing it while insulting someone else’s education. Holy... fucking... shit. Lol
I made the conditional statement that if they were going to push Adam Page to the World Title, they’ve done a terrible job of it. They had. Then he went on paternity leave to try and wash the stank off and now he is going into the main event of the next PPV.
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Such a weird thing to bring up. Especially when it is still their plan and is happening now.
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AEW have made the same mistake as WWE and have assumed that the belt makes the man and not vice versa. He’s been booked into obscurity. They think they can flip the magical switch and just microwave someone. This is Dolph Ziggler winning the WWE Title out of nowhere. Except Page is not Ziggler good.
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I’ve seen people defend this by saying “AEW isn’t WWE, they don’t hand out title shots!” Bullshit. This is straight out of WWE. They just did this. And Bryan will win the non-title match and get a title shot. Just. Like. WWE.
They didn’t put the title on Page and Daniel Bryan didn’t win the non-title match and get a title shot. So... Noid was right.

That “superior education” logic at work.
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Is the idea of admitting you got worked by Tony Khan really so bad that this awkward attempt at claiming you were right about things that everyone can easily verify you were wrong about the LESS embarrassing option??
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Gotta admit that it did help, though.... get rid of that Dark Order stench a bit, come back looking strong and confident on his own....

Of course paternity leave is just paternity leave, they couldn't very well have him win the title and then leave.... but the leave really did help him out immensely.
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LMAO @ a dude’s paternity leave being classified as being taken off to rehab his image
That’s not even a knock on AEW. If Tony Khan got Page’s wife pregnant so he could have an excuse to get him off TV and rehab his image... Genius.
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