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Old 06-18-2019, 06:31 PM   #681
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Them only getting a little over 100k more viewers with the NBA Playoffs being over is somewhat bad.

Next week's post-PPV bump probably going to be a mix of the usual PPV bump and the remainder of viewers coming back from the playoffs.
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Old 06-18-2019, 07:17 PM   #682
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I don't think there is going to be a bump after Stomping Grounds, of all things. Unless they do something completely wacky because they're cranky about the low attendance.

2.23 is a horrible number. I had 2.5 in my head as the lows Raw has fallen to, with 2.3 being terrible and 2.1 being scary. 2.2 is very close to the bottom falling out.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:25 PM   #683
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SDLive ratings are in:

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Drake Maverick wins 24/7 Title - 870K
Rtruth/Miz vs Drew/Elias - 448k
Alexa attacks Bayley - 370k

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I go back and forth on this all the time, but ratings are truly meaningless in the big picture. That is not just for WWE, but for any show. As long as advertisers are willing to buy time for said show, then the week to week ratings do not matter. Yes, there is a point where an advertiser would no longer want to buy time if they are looking at a lower rating, but if the show can get a different advertiser to buy that time, then it really doesn't matter.

Until advertisers start threatening to leave, I think WWE will continue to put out the same tired and lazy product.

I mean if you need any further proof, they haven't made any effort to write better TV even after the networks let them know they wanted better ratings. Sure WWE reacted with some heap ploys to bump the number like Roman on both shows or Brock teasing cash ins, but they haven't done anything to make better storylines, or even advance anything.

They are still rerunning the same Firefly Funhouse on Smackdown that already aired on Raw the night beofre.

They are still pushing the guy they blamed in storylines for the bad ratings be I in November.

They are still doing the authority stuff, only this time with Shane as the bad authority figure.

No new stars have been elevated. Nothing has changed in terms of their horrible timing of commercial breaks. Nothing has changed with their TV presentation of shaky cameras and 1000 different shot cuts. All the people they overlooked or booked badly are still stuck doing nothing.

It's all just been more of the same.

The ratings are down because the product is just filling up air time, but as long as WWE is still making advertisement dollars for filling that air time, then it is just a pointless number to WWE.
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I go back and forth on this all the time, but ratings are truly meaningless in the big picture. That is not just for WWE, but for any show. As long as advertisers are willing to buy time for said show, then the week to week ratings do not matter. Yes, there is a point where an advertiser would no longer want to buy time if they are looking at a lower rating, but if the show can get a different advertiser to buy that time, then it really doesn't matter.

Until advertisers start threatening to leave, I think WWE will continue to put out the same tired and lazy product ...

The ratings are down because the product is just filling up air time, but as long as WWE is still making advertisement dollars for filling that air time, then it is just a pointless number to WWE.
That's actually starting to become the case with advertisers no longer being happy with WWE's declining numbers. Its why WWE has been running more ads on RAW and Smackdown in recent weeks to keep USA Network and advertisers happy.

Even if they quickly replace lost advertisers, they will still lose a good chunk of ad money since those replacements very likely would be paying lower rates than the previous advertisers. Impact Wrestling found that out the hard way when they started bouncing around cable networks in recent years.
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I go back and forth on this all the time, but ratings are truly meaningless in the big picture. That is not just for WWE, but for any show. As long as advertisers are willing to buy time for said show, then the week to week ratings do not matter. Yes, there is a point where an advertiser would no longer want to buy time if they are looking at a lower rating, but if the show can get a different advertiser to buy that time, then it really doesn't matter.

Until advertisers start threatening to leave, I think WWE will continue to put out the same tired and lazy product.

I mean if you need any further proof, they haven't made any effort to write better TV even after the networks let them know they wanted better ratings. Sure WWE reacted with some heap ploys to bump the number like Roman on both shows or Brock teasing cash ins, but they haven't done anything to make better storylines, or even advance anything.

They are still rerunning the same Firefly Funhouse on Smackdown that already aired on Raw the night beofre.

They are still pushing the guy they blamed in storylines for the bad ratings be I in November.

They are still doing the authority stuff, only this time with Shane as the bad authority figure.

No new stars have been elevated. Nothing has changed in terms of their horrible timing of commercial breaks. Nothing has changed with their TV presentation of shaky cameras and 1000 different shot cuts. All the people they overlooked or booked badly are still stuck doing nothing.

It's all just been more of the same.

The ratings are down because the product is just filling up air time, but as long as WWE is still making advertisement dollars for filling that air time, then it is just a pointless number to WWE.
Lol, you say that ratings don't matter, but then go on to explain why they do. TV stations are going to sell the advertising slots. Advertisers are only going to buy them if there are eyeballs watching.

The thing is: they have been trying to write better TV. The whole McMahons coming back thing was part of that. The wild card thing and the 24/7 are supposed to be wild and zaaaaany antics that make you tune in. This is what they think good storytelling is. They believe they are good. And this is why the ratings have been such a news item lately -- because everyone is starting to cotton on to the fact that they're not. There are much better things to watch and they cannot retain their own viewers, nor can they keep viewers at a consistent rate with the decline of cable.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:52 AM   #687
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XRod hitting us up with some dumbass XRod logic.
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What, that the product sucks and thus are getting low ratings, but that doesnt motivate WWE to try and do anything to be better, because ratings don't really matter.

They might throw a bandaid like the wildcard, but they haven't made any real effort to improve on any real long term level.
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WWE is all about band-aids these days rather than long-term innovation/reinvention
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CBS 2017: 7,996,000 2016: 8,814,000 2015: 9,419,000 2014: 9,375,000
NBC 2017: 7,284,000 2016: 8,426,000 2015: 7,757,000 2014: 8,264,000
ABC 2017: 5,592,000 2016: 6,325,000 2015: 6,894,000 2014: 6,838,000
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What, that the product sucks and thus are getting low ratings, but that doesnt motivate WWE to try and do anything to be better, because ratings don't really matter.

They might throw a bandaid like the wildcard, but they haven't made any real effort to improve on any real long term level.
No one is arguing that things like the wild-card aren't band-aids. But that's what they've got. I mean, what do you mean "improve?" That's what their band-aids are there for.
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No one is arguing that things like the wild-card aren't band-aids. But that's what they've got. I mean, what do you mean "improve?" That's what their band-aids are there for.
Exactly. It's like being only treated for a superficial gash when you're also having a damn heart attack... and it's all because either the doctor is so inept they don't recognize the symptoms of the heart attack, or they do see the symptoms but they're so arrogant they believe they know better and that they don't need to to worry about or treat for the heart attack. They're still trying to improve the patient's health.
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No one is arguing that things like the wild-card aren't band-aids. But that's what they've got. I mean, what do you mean "improve?" That's what their band-aids are there for.
Improve as in don't book the whole show as a holding pattern. It's why they can't sell tickets for Stomping Ground, because it's been the same show for almost 3 months, on Monday and on Tuesday, nothing has happened.
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Yeah, but that's what they want to do. That's why they're doing it. They think that's good. I think you're working from an outcome to suggest that if they wanted to be good they would be. They want to be, they just aren't.
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The Twitter thread goes into more of the other issues rotting WWE from within while the company (and part of the fanbase) keeps boasting about all the money they are generating today.

The Death of WCW book is an excellent reference when it comes to detailing how devastating WCW's crash was when it happened. WWE won't have one happen as quickly but they have similar issues within that will cause even more serious problems in the near future.
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The Twitter thread goes into more of the other issues rotting WWE from within while the company (and part of the fanbase) keeps boasting about all the money they are generating today.

The Death of WCW book is an excellent reference when it comes to detailing how devastating WCW's crash was when it happened. WWE won't have one happen as quickly but they have similar issues within that will cause even more serious problems in the near future.

Some of those numbers absolutely paint a different picture.

My question would be who is that gut, a financial adviser or just a wrestling fan.
WWE is going to be making tons of money for the foreseeable future, but that was already known.

They are basically where they were in 1994-1995-1996, where they have bottomed out creatively and almost went out of business.

The difference now is they don't have to worry about going out of business, because they are far too profitable despite themselves and the bad product they are currently putting out.
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Until those revenue streams dry up. WCW thought they were going to be getting Uncle Ted’s money to play with forever and a day too.
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Hr 1 - 2.39
Hr 2 - 2.32
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The PPV bump being that small is pretty bad. Still a big chunk of RAW's audience has yet to come back now 2 weeks into the end of the NBA playoffs and probably won't going by historical trends.
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2019 superbowl was th lowest rated in 11 years????


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Old 06-25-2019, 09:27 PM   #702
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2018 world series down 23%




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Old 06-25-2019, 09:29 PM   #703
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Its almost like tv is a dead medium.
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:29 PM   #704
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Those YouTube numbers are gpod metrics. More of those
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:34 PM   #705
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I do like how dip shit in that tweet compaired the wwe to entire networks thinking that made any sort of sense.
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Lets say a show airs at 2am and draws a .012 and next year it still airs at 2a and still draws a .012. Well fuck thars a 100% retention rate.


Network is clearly killing it.
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With facts like that he needs a blue check mark.
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We need a better way to track viewership
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Best we have right now is a failing relic from last millennia
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Old 06-25-2019, 09:56 PM   #710
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CBS almost dropped Nielson in december (because it doesnt work anymore) but nielson caved on price. This trend will continue until eventually Neilson wont make enough to sustain itself. Its a ticking timbomb. 5 years tops. Whole thing will implode.
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We're one half decent idea away from the entire ad industry turning on its ear
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But im the mean time we'll update this thread twice a week a jerk each other off like any of these numbers have any meaning at all...i guess cause we're smarter than they are.
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I do like how dip shit in that tweet compaired the wwe to entire networks thinking that made any sort of sense.
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total views per year by network (total viewership, exclusive of demographics) per Neislon

CBS 2017: 7,996,000 2016: 8,814,000 2015: 9,419,000 2014: 9,375,000
NBC 2017: 7,284,000 2016: 8,426,000 2015: 7,757,000 2014: 8,264,000
ABC 2017: 5,592,000 2016: 6,325,000 2015: 6,894,000 2014: 6,838,000
FOX 2017: 4,733,000 2016: 5,053,000 2015: 5,198,000 2014: 5,973,000
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Where is the direct comparison to the WWE in those numbers?
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now comparing raw numbers thats one thing, i didnt do that ftr just drawing a parallel between declining viewership being wide spread problem, but stats based off a 24 hour network vs a 3 hour show? Thats not how percentages work and its a radically different scenario for a statistical analysis comparison.
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Very, VERY dishonest math manipulation there.
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It would be just as dishonest as comparing NBCs total views to RAW numbers and saying the WWE is failing.
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(Which despite that accusation I did not do)
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You posted network viewership numbers in a thread about WWE ratings while trying to defend WWE’s rating decline. Not gonna get into a whole wordplay discussion about what constitutes a comparison. Is it or is it not fair to bring up the viewership of an entire network when discussing the viewership of WWE? Or is your problem just that he introduced percentages into the mix?
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