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Old 01-02-2016, 12:36 PM   #681
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And we've ready say through 3 movies of building to a known ending. I personally rather know nothing that is happening. I don't see any value in adapting the fan creates EU.
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Why is it weird I think the prequels are shit and I prefer a new story as opposed to the EU? I think you are weird for wanting the uninteresting stories you've already read
Not disagreeing with anyone on this. If you have a preference toward completely new material, that's fine. But saying prequels are inherently flawed is just wrong. It's just another form of storytelling.
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:43 PM   #682
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Not disagreeing with anyone on this. If you have a preference toward completely new material, that's fine. But saying prequels are inherently flawed is just wrong. It's just another form of storytelling.
i already stated in general I don't have an issue with prequel story telling but I prefer to see new stories as we just had a trilogy of prequel story telling
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:44 PM   #683
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Also, as someone who had read all the EU stuff outside of the kid series books, and played all the games, I can say that the majority of it ranges from decent to terrible. Like STD said, a lot of it just comes off as bad sci fi.

Only ones I'd really like to see adapted are Shadows of the Empire and maybe the Thrawn trilogy.

Even then, I would still prefer new content over adaptations.
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:48 PM   #684
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Also, as someone who had read all the EU stuff outside of the kid series books, and played all the games, I can say that the majority of it ranges from decent to terrible. Like STD said, a lot of it just comes off as bad sci fi.

Only ones I'd really like to see adapted are Shadows of the Empire and maybe the Thrawn trilogy.

Even then, I would still prefer new content over adaptations.
Funny enough TFA was titled Shadow of the Empire in pre production.
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:52 PM   #685
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i already stated in general I don't have an issue with prequel story telling but I prefer to see new stories as we just had a trilogy of prequel story telling
You and several others specifically said that knowing what happens later on takes the drama out of the story. This is not true . It can actually add quite a bit to the drama if done right. Especially with tragic figures like Vader. Obviously a lot could have been done better with the Star Wars prequels.
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You and several others specifically said that knowing what happens later on takes the drama out of the story. This is not true . It can actually add quite a bit to the drama if done right. Especially with tragic figures like Vader. Obviously a lot could have been done better with the Star Wars prequels.
You aren't comprehending. I agree it can be done right occasionally for a good story. Mostly I think it just becomes well it didn't happen like I thought it would, or that scene was a lot different in my head.

I have no interest in seeing the EU stories adapted. I, me, as an individual, want to see new stories.
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Old 01-02-2016, 01:23 PM   #687
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I just don't think the EU is a standard to judge anything nor not sure why you would want a bunch of stories filmed that you already know what happens. That worked out terribly for the prequels because it takes the drama out of most situations.

In addition I think they are poor stories. To each their own. Happy New Year
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He wasn't saying that the EU had anything to do with the prequels he was just pointing out that people knew the outcome of episodes 1,2,&3 so it took something away from the films. He was saying if you just remake a EU story some people will know it and it would take away from the film.
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Yes REALLY.
I like 1-3,although I loath to admit it, but we knew that several things had to happen to get us to A New Hope and to some extent that took away from the impact of the films. Adapting the EU works to film works the same way. Yes the movies would be good but the journey we take would be different because we literally know how it ends.
My comprehension is fine. I think your memory is the problem. You, simple fan, and fastway, all specifically state up there that the nature of prequels hurts the film. How can that be interpretted any other way?
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My biggest gripe with the Star Wars universe is that Han Solo didn't even attempt to dye his hair or change his fashion style when Jabba was after him.
Should have put on a little dress and fuck me boots to disguise himself as a space hooker.
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My biggest gripe with the Star Wars universe is that Han Solo didn't even attempt to dye his hair or change his fashion style when Jabba was after him.
See your point, what with the trying to be funny about my problem with BB-8, but in Han's case, he was intending on paying Jabba. There was enough exposition to Chewbacca between Old Ben's proposition and getting cornered by Greedo to clarify that he was planning on taking the pay from the Alderaan trip to give at least some of that to Jabba. (Without the re-added stuff in the hangar with the overdubbed and piss-poor CG of Jabba and repeating the exact same conversation he JUST had with a bounty hunter that HE SHOT FIRST precisely because the scene was cut to begin with... ugh, I have so many gripes with the SE version) He wasn't so much hiding as he was scheeming/finagling/buying time. Getting caught up in intergalactic espionage, helping blow up the death star, becoming a Rebel "general", nearly freezing to death rescuing Luke, and getting is penis wet by dipping it in the Organa pool wasn't part of the original "pay Jabba off" plan. Kinda slipped his mind in all that exitement.... during which time he gets the bounty on his head that Greedo alluded to in the first place.
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Why name him Ben anyways? He was Luke's friend/master. They barely knew him.
Leia also never calls him Ben as she knew his real nam.
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Obi-Wan's distraction helped them get away from Vader. Luke tells them about old Ben. In gratitude they name their kid Ben. Best case scenario. Or maybe they just like Ben and it was coincidence.
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To be fair Ben is a better name than Obi and if you were going to name your child after him Ben would be the better choice.
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See your point, what with the trying to be funny about my problem with BB-8, but in Han's case, he was intending on paying Jabba. There was enough exposition to Chewbacca between Old Ben's proposition and getting cornered by Greedo to clarify that he was planning on taking the pay from the Alderaan trip to give at least some of that to Jabba. (Without the re-added stuff in the hangar with the overdubbed and piss-poor CG of Jabba and repeating the exact same conversation he JUST had with a bounty hunter that HE SHOT FIRST precisely because the scene was cut to begin with... ugh, I have so many gripes with the SE version) He wasn't so much hiding as he was scheeming/finagling/buying time. Getting caught up in intergalactic espionage, helping blow up the death star, becoming a Rebel "general", nearly freezing to death rescuing Luke, and getting is penis wet by dipping it in the Organa pool wasn't part of the original "pay Jabba off" plan. Kinda slipped his mind in all that exitement.... during which time he gets the bounty on his head that Greedo alluded to in the first place.
Relax, I was just insinuating that you're probably a massive blurt if a droid not being painted is a hinderence on your movie experience.
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My comprehension is fine. I think your memory is the problem. You, simple fan, and fastway, all specifically state up there that the nature of prequels hurts the film. How can that be interpretted any other way?
Imo opinion it does. It doesn't make them bad films but for me knowing the end result takes away from the overall enjoyment of the films. O feel the same way about remakes, for me to truely enjoy one it has to bring something new to the table otherwise it's just meh.

Your opinion is different and that is fine.
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I kind of get where Lucas is coming from. Would be mad frustrating for Disney to be like "No, we don't want you involved and don't want any of your ideas," only to have them essentially make a beat for beat reprise of 'A New Hope."
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Given Disney's track record of running a franchise into the ground over the past 30 years this really should have come as no surprise to him
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Given Disney's track record of running a franchise into the ground over the past 30 years this really should have come as no surprise to him
I'm asking out of honesty, what franchises have they run into the ground?
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Given Disney's track record of running a franchise into the ground over the past 30 years this really should have come as no surprise to him
What franchises have Disney run into the ground in the last 30 years? I honestly can't think of any. I mean they've dropped the ball and not done as much as they could with certain franchises (*cough* Gargoyles *cough*), but nothing Disney has done has been anywhere near as franchise destroying as what Lucas himself did to Star Wars.
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Newest theory is that Rey is Anakin Skywalker/Vader re-incarnated . Made by Midicholrians and implanted in some womb again. Would explain why Kylo was connected to her in the film and why she was OP.

So basically she/he is Frosty the Snowman/Jesus.
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Ehh, think I'd rather her just be Luke's daughter. Making her Anakin 2.0 would be too much in my opinion.
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Newest theory is that Rey is Anakin Skywalker/Vader re-incarnated . Made by Midicholrians and implanted in some womb again. Would explain why Kylo was connected to her in the film and why she was OP.

So basically she/he is Frosty the Snowman/Jesus.
I can't seem them doing much by midicholorians but you never know
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Toy Story 3 was incredible, what are you talking about
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Eh, I dunno. Straight to dvd sequels marketed solely to kids doesn't really hurt these franchises, imo. A lot of people don't even know they exist.
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Yeah Toy Story franchise has been incredible. The direct to DVD sequels weren't very good but they were harmless, much like any tv spin-off that may have followed.
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Disney's done right by Marvel so far. And the sequels to their golden era movies is no sweat off my back. Even their Power Ranger seasons were honestly the best seasons of the post-Zordan era. Disney doesn't fuck up enough to warrant people's fears when they buy stuff out. They're not Activision.
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Toy story, snow white , cinderella, the lion king, the jungle book, etc
sequel after sequel after sequel.
Toy Story's sequels have been amazing.

Snow White never had a sequel at all.

Cinderella had a direct to dvd sequel, but honestly I've never seen it and I don't think the vast majority of people have so it's not really hurting anything. Plus Cinderella was pretty stupid in the first place.

The Lion King 2 wasn't that bad of a movie at all. In fact I sorta like it even today. Yeah it was a ripoff of Romeo and Juliet, but the original was just Hamlet with lions (and less dying of course). As for Lion King 1 1/2, well, that one was un-necessary as hell, but again it wasn't really bad. Plus it actually had a basis considering the Shakespeare influence of the other films. There was a play at one point that showed one of Shakespeare's plays from the perspective of 2 minor characters. That's essentially what Lion King 1 1/2 is.

The Jungle Book sequel is under the same camp as Cinderella's. No one saw it and no one cared. I have however seen it, and I'm going to tell you now that it isn't all that bad. It's really childish, but why is that a crime? It's clearly targeted at extremely young children (as most of the direct to dvd sequels were) so no harm no foul. And as far as super childish stuff goes it wasn't really all that bad. Was it un-necessary? Totally, but that doesn't mean it ruined the franchise.

As for some of the live action versions we're getting now, well, yeah, they're not great. I mean Maleficent was alright in my opinion. A bit of a missed opportunity, but the visuals were amazing, and Angelina did a pretty good job considering what she was given. Haven't seen Cinderella, but I've heard it was pretty meh. No one I've talked to has said it was "bad" though, just that it was kinda average and boring. The only other one I can think of is Snow White and the Huntsman which honestly I kinda liked. It was pretty stupid, but some of the action scenes were fun, and the visuals were pretty neat.

P.S. Live action Jungle Book looks amazing as hell, and if you don't think so you're not invited to my clubhouse. Oh, and my clubhouse is awesome cause we got cookies AND pizza so
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Relax, I was just insinuating that you're probably a massive blurt if a droid not being painted is a hinderence on your movie experience.
Oh, that's fine. Carry on then.

And yes, not seeing another BB droid does seem like it reconciled that, but referring to it as "a BB unit" instead of "some small, round droid of somesort" implies it was, at least at some point over the last 30 years, a type of droid that had been mass produced. Others exist in the wild.

And I said I had a problem with it, I didn't say it completely ruined my experience and walked out of the theater or that I'm boycotting Rebel One. Just felt it was kind-of a plot hole. Even the "just take the birds to Mordor" hole didn't spoil me watching 9 hours of Rings. Explaining my issue takes a larger expenditure of effort and time than being annoyed by the plot hole does.
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Would this clubhouse require wearing a hat with plastic ears? If so, I want in. Maybe we'll form a short-lived singing group or splinter off into wildly successful boy bands, then singles acts!
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Would this clubhouse require wearing a hat with plastic ears? If so, I want in. Maybe we'll form a short-lived singing group or splinter off into wildly successful boy bands, then singles acts!
I am all for the idea of starting a boy band.
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Yeah. The world is due for a multicultural boy band boom.
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You really are hilarious. You should get up off your computer every now and then, dude. Maybe stop going to 4chan so much. I think you're starting to lose touch with reality. That or you really need to move out of whatever Southern trailer park you might be living in. Either way there's clearly a major disconnect between the world you live in and the world most normal people live in.

Oh and at your school comment. I think you need to calm your tits, man. I'd expect that kind of idiocy from the Youtube comments section, but not this foru- nevermind, I actually totally should have expected that from this forum... Still, un-rustle them jimmies, brother.
um what?

Rather than address and respond to any of my points and offer a counter, you resort to addressing who you think I am and where you think I live/go. Ok.

Ive lost touch with reality? ok. How? Where am I wrong? Where is this idealistic world you live in where what I said previously is not true? I've seen it with my own eyes and I live in a very nice area. I work in a firehouse. Trust me racism is alive and well.

Maybe you know I am right and you are angry at my jab at the end. Maybe you are just not smart enough to provide some type of counter. I don't know, Im just guessing.
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Are you fucking insane?

There's shit from the EU that would have been balls out awesome if it were filmed. And fanboys? The main issue with TFA is Abrams is too much of a New Hope fanboy.

I can not believe what you're saying right now.
I agree... I remember an all black star destroyer that could do death star like damage that a clone of palpatine flew around in.
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Papaltine clones is dumb. But I like the ship idea.
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I didn't like the palpatine thing either but pictures of the star destroyer were awesome... it was supposed to be bigger than the one in empire strikes back.
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um what?

Rather than address and respond to any of my points and offer a counter, you resort to addressing who you think I am and where you think I live/go. Ok.

Ive lost touch with reality? ok. How? Where am I wrong? Where is this idealistic world you live in where what I said previously is not true? I've seen it with my own eyes and I live in a very nice area. I work in a firehouse. Trust me racism is alive and well.

Maybe you know I am right and you are angry at my jab at the end. Maybe you are just not smart enough to provide some type of counter. I don't know, Im just guessing.
Dude, of course racism is still out there. You're acting like it's still this huge deal though. Being racist in public usually ends in the racist being shamed by the entire world these days. Yeah, you're gonna have a bunch of idiots on the internet flying off the handle about an interracial couple in Star Wars, but the vast majority of people wouldn't give a crap, and the vast majority would point and laugh at the idiots whining about it. Technically there are still people who think women should be relegated to the kitchen too, doesn't mean that those people are taken seriously by anyone with a real life.
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