01-13-2022, 05:12 PM | #7361 | |
Blander Than Ever
Posts: 3,091
|
Quote:
Upsides and downsides to a massive roster and maybe there missing a central figure to book stuff as opposed to the "norm" or what were used too. I like the wins and losses matter, I like the way there using lesser shoes to pad stats to give guys reasons and look credible but it does feel like its either a grudge match or a contenders match. Almost needs some other device to book stuff preferably without "insert evil authority figure here". I think another side affect of it all is the way people go missing of TV for a few weeks, but I don't really mind that either. Knowing how much of a toll this takes on performers a few weeks off here or there keeps the charachter fresh and gives performers a break. Its all intertwined a bit I think. |
|
01-13-2022, 06:07 PM | #7362 |
It's a blood match!
Posts: 27,375
|
Is it a bad idea to bring on Gabe? I mean Tony has a lot of jobs between all he does with AEW and the two football teams. Is he married with kids? He should get someone to share the load with.
|
01-13-2022, 06:12 PM | #7363 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
I would like the wins and losses matter bit if they actually mattered. Lance Archer is getting a title feud right now based on nothing.
Go look at AEWs official rankings right now. Adam Cole is ranked #1. |
01-13-2022, 06:58 PM | #7364 |
Posts: 10,642
|
Quick google search says there was an alleged verbal agreement between the two. Maybe there’s more but if that’s all it was then it’s he said she said. Seeing as both suits were dropped I’d guess neither had any evidence to favor one side or the other. I also don’t see why IWC would give a shit. That’s a personal issue between those.
|
01-13-2022, 07:02 PM | #7365 |
Posts: 10,642
|
The ratings just reset. Archer only needs a few wins to shoot up the rankings. If this were a month or so ago I’d agree.
|
01-13-2022, 07:12 PM | #7366 | |
Blander Than Ever
Posts: 3,091
|
Quote:
I think it also adds credence sometimes to guys you dont see so much like Bear Country. Cant remember if it was ranking or number of wins they talked about on the Dynamite but as a guy who hasnt seen them much it gave them instant credence with me as a viewer. Seems like Archer will face Hangman for Revolution but I assume Cole will be his next big feud. |
|
01-13-2022, 07:20 PM | #7367 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
You can't have it both ways. Either wins and losses matter or they don't. Cole shouldn't be the number #1 contender yet and Archer shouldn't be getting another title shot.
Cole is 13-4. Archer is 41-11. Wardlow is 40-6. The one with the best track record there is the only one not in the title picture. |
01-13-2022, 07:24 PM | #7368 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
Sammy Guevara is 24-15 in singles competition. Why is he even anywhere near any title when there are prob at least 20 guys with better records?
|
01-13-2022, 07:25 PM | #7369 |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,665
|
If I remember correctly Colt had communication from the lawyer that Phil was paying, and some text messages too. Everything was cool until Colt visited with friends when WWE was in town. Phil took that shit personally because he is a fragile ego bitch and suddenly wanted money after that.
|
01-13-2022, 07:29 PM | #7370 | |
Blander Than Ever
Posts: 3,091
|
Quote:
You can have rankings and be side tracked if your highly ranked, you can use rankings for relevance of others on the list. You can also have your #1 contender face the champion on a nightly basis if you so wish. I woudlnt advise it. Even in combat sports that arent pre determined the #1 ranked person not getting the next shot or picking there spot to take a shot if they can isnt unheard of. |
|
01-13-2022, 07:30 PM | #7371 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
LOL. That's a whole lot of spin for what amounts to "I know records don't matter just let me pretend they do because AEW says they do".
|
01-13-2022, 07:35 PM | #7372 | |
Blander Than Ever
Posts: 3,091
|
Quote:
How anyone can argue "Its not realistic" while straight faced after watching a "Deadman" sit atop the sport for 30 odd years I dont know. Thats before we discuss the 30 odd moments of ridiculous contrived movements in even the greatest matches of all time. |
|
01-13-2022, 07:39 PM | #7373 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
What are you even talking about? Who is talking about suspension of disbelief? Do you even know what that term means? Everyone knows it's fake. No one is arguing that it "isn't realistic". I'm saying that the whole "records matter" trope is patently false. It's a lie.
You said records matter. They don't. Period. That's all this discussion has been about. Why are you deflecting with ridiculous unrelated claims that would make Xrod blush? |
01-13-2022, 07:41 PM | #7374 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
Can't believe you can't see how ridiculous your argument is. Your first post literally states that you like how wins and losses matter and yet you admit in every subsequent post that they don't actually matter. What are you even doing here?
|
01-13-2022, 07:46 PM | #7375 |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,665
|
|
01-13-2022, 07:58 PM | #7376 | |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
Quote:
Serious question: When is the last time the rankings were used at all in factoring in who gets the next title program? Because for quite a while now the spot haa been given to whichever guy wins a tournament/ladder match/battle royal or just whoever does a run in on the champ. |
|
01-13-2022, 08:02 PM | #7377 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
Id like to clarify that i dont personally have a problem with whos been in the title picture. Its been a good scene. This argument is purely based on the whole records matter thing. Personally I always thought having records matter in a scripted show was a stupid idea. Youd either have the same guys at the top all time or your booking of people would have to be wildly inconsistent to rotate the people at the top of the rankings.
|
01-13-2022, 08:20 PM | #7378 | |
Reigning Tipsters Champ!
Posts: 2,088
|
Quote:
If so, that is really poor. He had people talking when he came in and should have been pushed to the moon. |
|
01-13-2022, 08:37 PM | #7379 |
Posts: 58,595
|
I’ve heard xrod’s version of it. Also, Punk has a history of being a difficult friend. The IWC does tend to be opinionated about personal matters, yeah?
|
01-13-2022, 08:39 PM | #7380 |
Posts: 58,595
|
Not denying that Punk’s a joy to watch when it comes to in-ring completion and promos.
|
01-13-2022, 08:43 PM | #7381 |
Posts: 58,595
|
He even paid for Mercury’s house when it was going to be foreclosed
|
01-13-2022, 08:46 PM | #7382 |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,665
|
|
01-13-2022, 09:03 PM | #7383 |
Posts: 58,595
|
We don’t know that for sure. We need further proof.
|
01-13-2022, 10:25 PM | #7384 | |
Blander Than Ever
Posts: 3,091
|
Quote:
I cant understand how your not seeing what I'm saying, How about we each believe the others an idiot and move on? |
|
01-13-2022, 11:42 PM | #7385 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
You're definitely doing a good job of making everyone believe you're an idiot.
|
01-13-2022, 11:46 PM | #7386 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
The rankings matter because they make you feel better about people with good records. Not because they are used like, you know, actual rankings to determine the pecking order.
LOL, k. |
01-13-2022, 11:48 PM | #7387 |
3 Dicks Out For Trips
Posts: 29,692
|
I'll take distinguishing between subjective and objective reasoning for $1,000, Alex.
|
01-14-2022, 08:55 AM | #7388 |
President of Freedonia
Posts: 58,215
|
I thought the rankings and stat tracking was a neat idea but this long into the promotion it's proving to be a hindrance.
The example I keep going back to - Evil Uno and Stu Grayson haven't worked a regular tag match for AEW since September. And in early 2021 they were barely tagging either. They always end up in trios matches instead. This is because they don't want them racking up wins where they have to get a tag title shot, but they don't want them taking losses either. It's clunky and restrictive. |
01-14-2022, 09:01 AM | #7389 |
Hey Mister!
Posts: 54,947
|
Doesn't have to be. They could have just given them a title shot on dynamite or something. The ranking could add unique and different kinds of storytelling, but it requires work and planning. So far they've been very lazy in how they've utilized it.
|
01-14-2022, 12:41 PM | #7390 | |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,665
|
Quote:
|
|
01-14-2022, 05:05 PM | #7391 |
Posts: 61,099
|
The ranking system was and always will be a bad idea. The beauty of pro-wrestling is that you can control things. Having a fixed scorecard takes away elements of your control. You end up at the mercy of the stats. The emotional connection to a push is way more important than how many wins they’ve actually had.
|
01-14-2022, 05:42 PM | #7392 |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,665
|
Not exactly a tweet, but AEW employee Dave Meltzer making a Holocaust joke about WWE, because they are the same thing apparently.
https://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/...oke-About-WWE/
|
01-14-2022, 05:44 PM | #7393 |
Posts: 58,595
|
Fucking Tony Khan
|
01-14-2022, 05:48 PM | #7394 |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,665
|
Dave apologized for the people who got offended.
He did not apologize for offending people. He did not apologize TO the offended people. He apologized to his Cultist that people were offended. The offended people are the problem! Isn't this tool supposed to a professional writer??? |
01-14-2022, 05:50 PM | #7395 |
Posts: 58,595
|
lol
|
01-14-2022, 07:09 PM | #7396 |
Reigning Tipsters Champ!
Posts: 2,088
|
Wrestling is all about capitalizing on the buzz when someone is hot. You need to be free to do that. WWE is rotten nowadays, but AEW are proving to be the worst at capitalizing on the buzz. Malakai Black looked awesome, and now he is going to tag? What?
CM Punk’s return was called “one of the most anticipated nights in a a decade” by one wrestling article, and then he wrestled Bobby Fish, some guy called Garcia and QT Marshall and feuded with some Indy guy that no casual will have ever heard of (Kingston) You jump on someone when they are hot. No casual is tuning in now no matter what is next. You have stuck the red hot iron in cold water. It would be like Undertaker coming back after one of his breaks and getting into it with Crash Holly before having random matches with Val Venis and Steve Blackman on Smackdown and Superstars. Completely bizarre. |
01-14-2022, 07:27 PM | #7397 |
Posts: 10,642
|
No casual is tuning in period.
I’m fine with the rankings but they need to set it up like power rankings. Punk beating Darby is a big deal. He was relatively fresh off a long title reign and immensely popular. If they ranked guys on quality of wins instead the rankings would work better. Add it stands I think they’re fine. It almost worked to get Hangman back into the main event scene before he took off for daddy duty. They used it to push Jurassic Express (who should’ve been the one to dethrone the Bucks). It’s hit and miss but it certainly hasn’t hindered their booking. When they get somebody like Abadon rising up its not difficult to give her a throwaway title match on free TV. But Vito is right. It’s been clunky. |
01-14-2022, 08:22 PM | #7398 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,163
|
didn't you guys hear? casuals are make believe
|
01-14-2022, 10:46 PM | #7399 |
Posts: 61,099
|
I like Daniel Garcia. I don’t love him. I think he’s way overexposed in his current spot. But if he was in an OVW or NXT I think he would stand out heaps. He carries himself seriously. They just like to tell and not show. And when it’s time to tell they just show.
|
01-14-2022, 10:52 PM | #7400 |
Trickster Demon
Posts: 59,776
|
they should bring in sylvester stallone for a 'celebrity match' with chris jericho
|