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Old 09-17-2021, 05:53 AM   #7441
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Rebooting Kilmonger into a quasi-Magneto was alright, and he was pretty good in the movie. I just feel he's oversold as some compelling villain when we have the Magnetos, Kingpins, and Dr Dooms out there. He's very obvious for his archetype but ironically my biggest issue is they killed him. He had a lot of ways to go considering the sub mythology of the military in the MCU. Would Fury recruit him for Shield? Why not? How would he feel about Isaiah and what happened to him? Would an experience change him for the better? Things like that.
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Old 09-17-2021, 08:08 AM   #7442
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A lot of it is about the vehicle they’re in; Black Panther was a worldwide smash, King Pin and Doom might be “better villains” or “more compelling” but they’ve featured in either subpar movies/shows or have been horribly mishandled.

I’m still sort of hoping they retcon his death and bring him back in Wakanda Forever. A redemption for him might work.
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Kingpin was in a subpar show..?
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Yeah, I'm going to have to profess my love for the Netflix version of Fisk.
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Netflix Daredevil very good. The Best Daredevil.
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Sorry, missed out the part that specifically related to Fisk from Netflix’ Daredevil; it’s great but it’s not on the same level as the MCU movies. A fraction of the people that went to see Black Panther (and most other MCU movies) will have watched Daredevil on Netflix. That’s why Kingpin isn’t in the conversation.
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I'm wondering what the combination of Netflix's Fisk and the voice of Fisk from the '90s Spider-Man cartoon would be like.
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Sorry, missed out the part that specifically related to Fisk from Netflix’ Daredevil; it’s great but it’s not on the same level as the MCU movies. A fraction of the people that went to see Black Panther (and most other MCU movies) will have watched Daredevil on Netflix. That’s why Kingpin isn’t in the conversation.
It's not an election. As far as characterizations go Kingpin runs circles around Kilmonger. But even if we keep in the MCU just for Kilmonger's sake; Loki, Zemo, Pearce, and now Mandarin all round out better than Kilmonger.

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That was good voice work, yeah.
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Old 09-23-2021, 12:38 AM   #7451
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That wedding tho...
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that can be canonical and id be ok
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YES! It had the fight that I wanted to see in the movies! I was hoping they would've done something like it at the beginning of Endgame but no dice. Nice that they were able to do it here. That alone makes me give this "What If...?" a thumbs up.
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LOL, she's cute as fuck. Shame it got canceled.
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Me too.

There's something about that paring. It doesn't have to be a wedding. Hell, it doesn't even have to be strictly romantic. If he showed up on Earth, she seems like the person who would find him. Or have him comically crash land into her life. Prob'ly shortly after the events of WandaVison with some lament of "Is it me attracting all this... weirdness?" And Howard responding with "Eh. I've seen weirder."
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Still only watched the first episode.... should watch the rest....
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If you told me way back that the freakin cartoon would be the best thing out of Phase 4 I'd hit you in the face.
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thats a hot tak if there ever was one
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I'm torn as to whether or not to call this the best episode of the season. The main one-on-one fight scene is cool as fuck and it has such a dark, hopeless tone to it all. I will say that this episode really brought to the forefront as to how awful the Watcher looks, though. Just my opinion.
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lol i was just talking about this with a friend.
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Phase 4 so has been very 'aight' for me so far and it doesn't help that there doesn't seem to be a plan here like Phase 2 and 3. You Julia's character being an anti-fury recruiting angsty antiheroes which may or may not be a Thunderbolts thing, and then this multiverse thing which is fun but ultimately canon suicide at some point.
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Shit, some of the Matrix cartoons were better than the movie. Fight me.
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the animatrix is vastly superior to the 2nd and 3rd films
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Speaking of that the 'Star Wars Animatrix' thing is out on Disney+. You'd think they make a bigger deal of the launch, I just stumbled on it adding Bad Batch to my queue.
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Already have a friend haranguing me about needing to see Venom: Let There Be Carnage, which I won't be doing.
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Old 10-01-2021, 11:42 PM   #7468
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ill watching it when it hits streaming. i dont want sony thinking that their IPs are fine on their own. that next contract negotiation is pivotal
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Still never watched the first one.... thought about watching it and then going to watch the sequel today on my day off work.... but then on the other hand I thought "nah"
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Old 10-01-2021, 11:50 PM   #7470
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the 1st is the opposite of good
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oh yeah: bad. the first one is bad.
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Got another friend who shared a video with me in which another dumb conspiratorial dork tries to make something out of Wanda becoming the Scarlet Witch in "WandaVision" at the same time He Who Remains reaches the realization that he can't see the future anymore in "Loki". He even synchs up the audio and video to show that the two events happen concurrently and that's supposed to prove....something. That's sort of the problem with these dumbasses. Also, never mind that Wanda is supposed to be in the present and Loki and company are off at the end of time. I can always picture these types of people as just one bad day away from becoming that obsessed lunatic with corkboards littered with pictures and diagrams pinned to them, all connected with red string. I had to tell my friend that at this point in time it's safe to dismiss these kinds of people because it eventually turns out that everything they spew DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!
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I watched the Post Credit as I know I won’t be catching it at the cinema. Interesting.
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Speaking of that the 'Star Wars Animatrix' thing is out on Disney+. You'd think they make a bigger deal of the launch, I just stumbled on it adding Bad Batch to my queue.


I just finished that up yesterday. Interesting concept with the different studios making independent fanfics, but the range in quality shifts as vastly as the tone. That first Kurosawa-esque episode was FUCKING AMAZING, and the one with the twins was FUCKING ABYSMAL.
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So the final "What If...?" episode, huh? Interesting collection of Guardians. The premise had a vibe of Ultimate Alliance after that game's third act; which is good because that game is awesome. Having a thread saved the whole series from being a complete wash but if there's a season two, I'm not sure where they go. I'd like it if they started incorporating the Netflix series' characters in some fashion.
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what if finale


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a literal nazi saved the multiverse. talk about inclusion!
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What a great finale.

Also, I would not be against Captain Carter making an appearance in the movies once the multiverse gets ripped open.
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what if finale


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Yeah, but being a computer essentially, I'm sure there are some upset fans because he's not non-binary.
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what ifs attention to lore was pretty awful though which is frustrating because the mcu has been very good about it by in large and more over in comics what if stories typically reward attention to detail where here we have a complete disregard for it


SPOILER: show
for instance this wrap up plot. ultron gets the stones and begins destroying alternate universes...except Loki just established stones ONLY work in their own universe. what if disregarded the most recent canonical show. i dunno. i decided to just enjoy it for the sake of being a stupidly fun way to spend 30 min but thats your only option. acknowledge that its going to be stupid and forgive before it has the chance to surprise you with it.
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