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Old 06-27-2019, 12:56 PM   #761
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Neilson stock in 2014 was 48.42 today it sits at 23.41

Income is down 40.28% ytd
Net profit is down 38.48% ytd

yeah there's no underlining problem at all...
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Old 06-27-2019, 12:58 PM   #762
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TL;DR using cable ratings in 2019 should embarrass your math teachers.
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:01 PM   #763
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I'll admit, i love coming into this thread and seeing that the rating went down because i quit watching the product because i think it's shit. so it's nice to see them on their ass.

However, i know that TV ratings is not the end all be all in 2019. The E has so many other avenues of revenue AND ways to watch their programming now and days that the TV rating really doesn't give you the whole picture. hell you can pretty much watch the episode of RAW from the night before by watching 9 clips on You Tube . That's what i do now. I'll read the results, see what was decent and pull up You Tube.

What i would like to see sf the ticket sales numbers I think that's a better # then tv ratings. That PPV in Washington last week looked like they didn't sell shit. that's a more jarring number then the tv rating decline
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I always have enjoyed, whether they are up or down, seeing the ratings, social media views, tickets sold, etc.

Just one of those things I've always personally been interested in, across all the metrics.
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Kind of related but I was thinking about yesterday a story of how Generation Z doesn't really watch movies (supposedly). It was from a NY Times interview with filmakers iirc. I found it a little odd since I can't see why they wouldn't watch Netflix, Hulu, etc if they had access to them and I've seen tons of people under 18 at the movies, in particular big event things like The Avengers, Pixar, Crazy Rich Asians, horror flix, etc. A lot of filmakers mentioned how they have had to change cinematography on other films now since they realize a lot of people will watch them on their phone vs a big screen.

Anyways, where I was going w/ that is it talked about how Generation Z is more likely to watch YouTube, IGTV (Instagram TV), Snaps, TikTok, etc -- essentially either someone cutting a promo to quick cuts (YT) or short-form videos like the other things listed. It got me to wondering how WWE and wrestling in general will be able to fit into that concept more as time goes on.
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Anyone w/ kids -- do your offspring watch more stuff on their phone than TV?
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^ Oh yeah I love this thread, so definitely keep on posting. it's one of my fav threads to come to every week haha.

I don't know if i believe they don't watch movies as much as the article was alluding too, but i do believe there's a definite uptick in people just watching clips or summaries on you tube or whatever vs watching an entire program. Heck, I am in my 30's and do it all the time. It's hard for me to sit through and hr or 2 of anything anymore. I only really watch movies on planes. i can't remember the last movie i watched at my house. Probably Birdbox lol
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I'll admit, i love coming into this thread and seeing that the rating went down because i quit watching the product because i think it's shit. so it's nice to see them on their ass.

However, i know that TV ratings is not the end all be all in 2019. The E has so many other avenues of revenue AND ways to watch their programming now and days that the TV rating really doesn't give you the whole picture. hell you can pretty much watch the episode of RAW from the night before by watching 9 clips on You Tube . That's what i do now. I'll read the results, see what was decent and pull up You Tube.

What i would like to see sf the ticket sales numbers I think that's a better # then tv ratings. That PPV in Washington last week looked like they didn't sell shit. that's a more jarring number then the tv rating decline
The thing is, they really don't have a lot of successful revenue streams. They're reliant on that TV rights money. I suppose the Saudis pay big too. Everything else is down and I think it's accepted that if they didn't have that TV money, WWE would not be turning a profit.

Despite what Destor's saying, WWE needs its TV, which means the metrics that measure it are the most important thing. I don't understand the red herring of "Nielson isn't the best indicator of what kids are doing." It's irrelevant to the conversation. They get their money from NBC Universal and FOX. Their standing with them matters. If the kids aren't watching because they spend more time on their phones, then that's its own issue, and it is an issue, and I don't see how that helps WWE at all, considering what they want are viewers so that their TV is valuable.

If these amazing social media numbers were somehow translating to ticket sales, Network subscriptions or merchandise sales, it would be a lovely point about how WWE's business strategy is changing -- but it's not and they're still very much reliant on that TV audience that just isn't there.

Unfortunately, because I also like seeing them get their just desserts, I have a feeling that with Bonnie Hammer heading up the NBC Universal streaming app, WWE producing live content every week is going to be useful for that, and they're going to get paid out the ass next time that contract is up to provide content that can go on that as well as on Hulu and USA Network through the death rattle of cable. The one thing Destor said that is a pretty good point is that we are one idea away from everything changing. It's possible that WWE begin making money in an entirely new way and can keep paying big juicy dividends to their investors. Except the problem is that they are facing a popularity issue (as reflected by not only TV metrics, but those other failing revenue streams). The product is bad and people are getting sick of it. Fewer people are watching. The WWE is burning out more and more people. It's not some loyalty to Nielson that has people blinded.
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Also neilson data is public you dont have to pay to get it. You pay to have the study done.


Wow.

Um... ad agencies and cable and broadcast networks literally pay an annual data licensing fee (that's literally the defined term and usually the 3rd or 4th heading in their contracts) to get way more data and analytics than are released to the public. It's a part of every Nielsen agreement, both the purchasing analytics and the viewing analytics contracts, and is typically based on the size of the customer. It's their core business model and product.

Also, the data licensing fees (and thus Nielsen's revenues) have been dropping because Nielsen's competitors (especially among broadcasters) have been offering apparently "more accurate" data at less cost.
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Ratings for RAW are in:

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Hr 1 - 2.47
Hr 2 - 2.68
Hr 3 - 2.35

Avg. - 2.5 million

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Braun/Lashley destroy RAW set - 2 million
Undertaker attacks Shane - 1.3 million
Braun/Lashley stretchered out - 1.2 million
Drake wins 24/7 Title - 854k
Ricochet vs AJ Styles - 625k
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Pretty good weekly increase along with it taking all Top 3 spots for demo rankings.

Even the 1st-to-3rd hour decrease was a lot better than in recent months.
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Live RAW ratings delayed until tomorrow due to 4th of July.


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* Roman/Gary vs. Shane/Drew - 1.5 million

* Becky/Seth vs. Zelina/Andrade - 608k

* Drake "no consummation" - 402k
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Hr 1 - 2.38
Hr 2 - 2.35
Hr 3 - 2.32

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That's one of the smallest 1st to 3rd hour drops in a long while.

Also one of those Good-Bad weeks in the sense it did a good job of retaining viewers throughout the show but did a bad job of generating interest for more viewers to latch on during it.
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That proves that the 24/7 title is a draw.
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Hr 1 - 2.38
Hr 2 - 2.50
Hr 3 - 2.48

Avg - 2.45 million

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Bit surprised the 3rd hour did that well considering it had the really bad women's 4-way match going on for a good chunk of it and then the start of a potential Miz-Ziggy feud nobody asked for.
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It doesn’t mean people liked those things. They may not be back after sticking around and getting rewarded with *that*.
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2.12 million viewers

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KO attacks Shane - 1.6 million
KO vs Dolph - 642k
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TL;DR using cable ratings in 2019 should embarrass your math teachers.
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The ratings grab worked, first time in a long time RAW cracked 3 million Live TV viewers:

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Hr 1 - 3.02
Hr 2 - 3.18
Hr 3 - 3.08

Avg - 3.09 million
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Austin/Hogan - 1.6 million
DX/The Kliq - 1.6 million
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For some reference, last year's RAW 25 special did around 4.5 million for its average.

WWE probably going to exploit RAW Reunion's number big time for their upcoming investor's meeting this week. They desperately needed a strong number this week to show as proof Vince can fix RAW's ratings woes even if it won't last.

Them timing the meeting to happen this week and not next week when RAW likely is going to suffer a big drop is also very beneficial to them.
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Old 07-24-2019, 05:13 PM   #784
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Yeah, they'll drop like 600k viewers next week since they failed to give people any reason to tune in for the next show.
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Old 07-24-2019, 06:04 PM   #785
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Live TV Ratings for SDLive this week:

2.16 million

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Roman vs KO - 2 million
Bray/Balor - 1 million
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:28 PM   #786
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This weeks Raw Ratings:

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Hr 1 - 2.41
Hr 2 - 2.32
Hr 3 - 2.23

Avg - 2.32 million

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Samoan Summit - 2.88 million
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:04 PM   #787
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Pretty bad number overall since not only did it lose all of last week's bump, which was expected, it also managed to be lower than the week before in terms of regular shows.

Also lost out on the coveted #1 hour ranking to blood rival Love & Hip Hop show.
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Old 07-30-2019, 09:18 PM   #788
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just shows you how little people value the current product.
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Live TV Rating for SDLive this week:

1.9 million

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Roman attacked by crates - 1.2 million
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Kofi vs AJ - 547k
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Roman attacked by crates? Is the star power on the roster so thin that guys are feuding with inanimate objects now?
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Old 07-31-2019, 06:11 PM   #791
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"Roman attacked by crates" is probably the nicest thing you could say about that segment last night.

Easily a strong contender for worst ever ending to a WWE show and everything about it was pretty terrible.



Missing from that video is the production botch at the start and Reigns awkward walk away at the end.
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Not surprised that people watched the Raw Reunion and didn't come back. Heard Raw was pretty good with some Heyman ideas. It's a shame.
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Up this week:

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Hr 1 - 2.41
Hr 2 - 2.57
Hr 3 - 2.44

Avg - 2.47 million

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Goldberg - 2.6 million
Joe checks on Roman - 1.8 million
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Bit surprised the 2nd hour did that well. Personally thought it was bad overall outside of the 6-man tag. 1st hour was a lot more interesting in terms of content.

If usual yearly trends follow, next week is likely going to be the last big week of the year for RAW.
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Old 08-07-2019, 05:49 PM   #795
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SDLive

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2.08 million

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Roman attacks Buddy - 2.6 million
Shane attacks KO - 711k
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Old 08-13-2019, 05:32 PM   #796
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Big jump for RAW

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Hr 1 - 2.77
Hr 2 - 2.82
Hr 3 - 2.60

Avg - 2.73 million

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Sasha Banks returns- 1.6 million
AJ vs Seth - 1.4 million
24/7 Title changes hands - 997k
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Old 08-13-2019, 06:15 PM   #797
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Depending on the reception to the KotR tournament, that's probably the final high mark for RAW this year based on annual trends. Survivor Series tends to be the weakest of the Big 4 shows when it comes to generating a bigger than usual post-PPV bump and football starts next month.
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Old 08-14-2019, 05:24 PM   #798
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Old 08-20-2019, 06:51 PM   #799
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Raw had 2.53 million viewers
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Even with the excuse of the NFL pre-season starting, an almost 200k drop is still pretty bad considering all of the hype for the start of the KotR.
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