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Old 03-18-2022, 02:43 PM   #8401
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It had the potential to be such a great angle/character and Windham was the right guy for the character.

If Windham had been 6'4 and 300 lbs of jacked muscle as a horror character, he would have all the titles in WWE right now.
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Old 03-18-2022, 03:06 PM   #8402
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Like Kane did?
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Old 03-18-2022, 06:42 PM   #8403
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Old 03-18-2022, 08:43 PM   #8404
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im certain if you adjusted for inflation theyd be dwarffed by any major show pre 00
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Old 03-18-2022, 09:24 PM   #8405
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can we all make a concerted effort to quote this as needed/often as possible? thank you


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I liked the idea of the fiend. A sunshine and rainbows guy with a split personality thats a psycho killer. But they made it dumb by throwing in all the magical teleportation and possession crap.
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It had the potential to be such a great angle/character and Windham was the right guy for the character.
i think the high production value made it corny and shitty. the character could have thrived in a different company back in the 90s (not to mention the material would be more relevant), or perhaps a different dimension altogether


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I like Danhausen as a youtube personality, but I dont need to see him putting curses on people in an actual wrestling show.
the way i perceived him before i ever saw him on aew, i liked him. the way they have presented him is confounding to say the least. bringing a guy in who is injured has a lot of potential if they are expected to heal properly, brian pillman was so amazing to see in the wwf before he got back in the ring at least, but wwf made him look great and preserved his aura that he'd already established before in a mid-90s pg wwf period, which is just as relevant as say a goldust or a steve austin coming up at that time... tamer than it could be, yet captivating. regardless -- love that danhausen!
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Old 03-18-2022, 11:40 PM   #8406
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Here's a better idea: They both rule and Noid is a jabroni.
It’s really not till you put Noid on ignore that you notice how much he posts back to back.

Him and xcummer on ignore and there’s almost entire pages of threads I just don’t read. Frankly it’s brilliant.
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Old 03-18-2022, 11:45 PM   #8407
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Reality in wrestlings a great topic with Brocks apparent attempted murder on Smackdown tonight.

I find that sort of stuff takes me out of the believability of it all more than say Danhausen who may or may not be cursing someone.

Not to restart the argument and I’m fully open to it being the lens I watch through but I just always found the vehicular manslaughter stuff in WWE and WCW made me embarrassed to watch.

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Old 03-19-2022, 02:04 AM   #8408
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Old 03-19-2022, 02:04 AM   #8409
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Old 03-19-2022, 02:04 AM   #8410
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Old 03-19-2022, 02:05 AM   #8411
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Old 03-19-2022, 05:51 PM   #8412
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There’s nothing wrong with posting back to back. There is, however, something wrong with thinking AEW does great numbers.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:16 PM   #8413
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i think the high production value made it corny and shitty. the character could have thrived in a different company back in the 90s (not to mention the material would be more relevant), or perhaps a different dimension altogether
The Fiend's Summerslam was flawless, so much so that it created WAY too much praise and buzz to fly under Vince's radar. Vince had to insert his hooky spin on it, and ruined it.
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Old 03-19-2022, 10:19 PM   #8414
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So? That means literally nothing. They did better than a bunch of wrestling companies that went out of business.
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Old 03-20-2022, 05:32 PM   #8415
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So? That means literally nothing. They did better than a bunch of wrestling companies that went out of business.
Next question: How many tickets were bought by Tony himself?
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Old 03-20-2022, 05:43 PM   #8416
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Adam Sandler's movie Big Daddy is the highest grossing live action film of all time other than non-Adam Sandler movies.
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Succeeding where others couldn’t. That means absolutely nothing folks.
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Old 03-20-2022, 06:54 PM   #8418
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Old 03-20-2022, 08:08 PM   #8419
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lol it's a moot point entirely when you adjust for inflation.

I'm curious as to how much tickets cost to a WCW Nitro in 98, for instance, but haven't been able to find that info yet. There are several of those that gated more than AEWs number here when you adjust for inflation and that's not even taking into account what I imagine is a much cheaper ticket in the first place.
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Old 03-20-2022, 08:55 PM   #8420
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You imagine WCW’s tickets being much cheaper even with inflation factored in?
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Old 03-20-2022, 09:17 PM   #8421
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Because even if that’s true, it doesn’t really matter. They’re charging what people will pay. It’s not really a point against AEW if they make more by charging more because people are willing to pay more.
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Old 03-20-2022, 09:34 PM   #8422
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I'm not using it as a point against them. WTF? They can charge whatever they want as long as people are willing to pay, as you say. I'm just trying to add some context to the whole biggest gate besides WWE argument because there should be an asterisk next to that claim imo. WCW still easily holds that record when the adjustments are made.
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Look I was a hardcore WCW mark back in those days tbh and ijs I will not stand for AEW trying to steal their Thunder!
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Because even if that’s true, it doesn’t really matter. They’re charging what people will pay. It’s not really a point against AEW if they make more by charging more because people are willing to pay more.
what people are willing to pay is relative to their disposable income. the dollar has lost 42% of its value since 98. youre nearly paying double today what you would have paid at peak wcw for a ticket.



dollar figure sales arent a meaningful measuring stick without price adjustments. its apples to horses. its a bumper sticker brag.
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Succeeding where others couldn’t. That means absolutely nothing folks.
No, they are doing slightly better than companies that went out of business, but pretending it is SUPER meaningful. They are qualifying it as only WWE has done better. But WWE has done multiple times better. AEW drawing a house of $50,000 more than a WCW show from 20+ years ago is supposed to be amazing why? Because only WWE has done more, but by Millions and Millions? $50,000 more is great, but lets just ignore WWE's actual numbers. Its all the same tiresome spun bullshit as always.

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Lol What an awful analogy.
Purposefully, it is just as absurd to hype it up that way.

Serious question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? A pure, simple fact with no spin. I would have read that and thought "solid gate, good for them" and would not have anything to complain about. Framing EVERYTHING as something to be a cheerleader about and #LFG'ing, all that extra bullshit, it invites dickheads like me who see through it to have something to take issue with.

It is no longer about them doing their best gate, it is about them not being able to ever just STFU and take a win.
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what people are willing to pay is relative to their disposable income. the dollar has lost 42% of its value since 98. youre nearly paying double today what you would have paid at peak wcw for a ticket.

dollar figure sales arent a meaningful measuring stick without price adjustments. its apples to horses. its a bumper sticker brag.
This is an inflation argument though, which is valid. Adjust for inflation and compare.

I’m just saying once you’ve done that, AEW charging more (after adjusting) doesn’t really matter, assuming that’s what Seph meant.
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AEW fanboys do this with their live gates and their PPV buys. They talk about how AEW does more than anyone since WCW like that’s even a brag. You what? Beat TNA? But it’s also dishonest because the accessibility of PPV is way different now. And sycophants amalgamate their international buys with domestic. If you look at what AEW does in the US, they’re still trailing ECW. Never mind how many more heads per buy there was likely in the era of traditional PPV. But don’t let common sense get in the way of the story that this shit is magic.
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Oh, and they do it with their international TV deals too. Maybe a Canadian can confirm, but from what I understand WWE is aired several times a week in Canada, which are slots that the network it’s on sells advertising for. I’ve also heard that it has an on demand presence. So the importance of live first runs is nowhere near as important as the AEW fanboys frame the one airing of Dynamite a week getting slightly more eyeballs than WWE make out. It isn’t like they’re winning a popularity contest or are more important to their network.
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No, they are doing slightly better than companies that went out of business, but pretending it is SUPER meaningful. They are qualifying it as only WWE has done better. But WWE has done multiple times better. AEW drawing a house of $50,000 more than a WCW show from 20+ years ago is supposed to be amazing why? Because only WWE has done more, but by Millions and Millions? $50,000 more is great, but lets just ignore WWE's actual numbers. Its all the same tiresome spun bullshit as always.



Purposefully, it is just as absurd to hype it up that way.

Serious question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? A pure, simple fact with no spin. I would have read that and thought "solid gate, good for them" and would not have anything to complain about. Framing EVERYTHING as something to be a cheerleader about and #LFG'ing, all that extra bullshit, it invites dickheads like me who see through it to have something to take issue with.

It is no longer about them doing their best gate, it is about them not being able to ever just STFU and take a win.



Just wanted to quote your long roundabout way of complimenting them. Why anyone would be angry at some entity celebrating what they feel are great successes for them but actually be happy for them is.... something.


Khan def needs to STFU on the "WE HAVE A HUGE SURPRISE!" thing, undoubtedly.
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Why in the shit is DDT needed in AEW? Hopefully they are just filling out ROH or something. I don't want more Nakazawa type shit.
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Isn't DDT the comedy fed that had a ladder win a title?

This is def what AEW needs to get to the "next level"!
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DDT does have serious wrestlers as well. Ibushi came out of there, after all. A deal with DDT would also give them a partnership with TJP, which is regarded as on of the better joshi promotions out there.
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That said, given that Orange Cassidy has been treated like a main event talent, im not hopeful that they'll cherry pick the serious stuff from ddt.
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TJP will def make all the difference for AEW, hope he still does the dab!
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DDT may or may not have good wrestling on its cards. It’s kind of proof that if you act like a fucking joke, no one is going to take you seriously. So working with them is just another obstacle placed between them and my personal enjoyment of what they are trying to achieve.

This cannot be a good sign in regards to that AEW/New Japan relationship everyone assured me was fine either. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s in the gutter, but working with one of their rivals probably isn’t a great political move.

Meltzer probably knows more than he reports there, because he’s started saying more and more negative things about New Japan in a “no one cares about them anymore” kind of way.
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Brandi made an interesting tweet. She said “Happy Monday” and shared some meme about the next chapter of your life making others regret how badly they have treated you. Whoa-oh.

The shoot interviews were always going to be very interesting.
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Of course, that post could be about anything. But you have to know what a comment on a Monday is going to get people talking.
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DDT may or may not have good wrestling on its cards. It’s kind of proof that if you act like a fucking joke, no one is going to take you seriously. So working with them is just another obstacle placed between them and my personal enjoyment of what they are trying to achieve.

This cannot be a good sign in regards to that AEW/New Japan relationship everyone assured me was fine either. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s in the gutter, but working with one of their rivals probably isn’t a great political move.

Meltzer probably knows more than he reports there, because he’s started saying more and more negative things about New Japan in a “no one cares about them anymore” kind of way.
Considering that NJPW works with its own rivals, I cant see the DDT partnership being a deal breaker for future collaboration. CMLL and AAA are the only companies to my knowledge that take serious offense from their partners working with the other brand.
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No, they are doing slightly better than companies that went out of business, but pretending it is SUPER meaningful. They are qualifying it as only WWE has done better. But WWE has done multiple times better. AEW drawing a house of $50,000 more than a WCW show from 20+ years ago is supposed to be amazing why? Because only WWE has done more, but by Millions and Millions? $50,000 more is great, but lets just ignore WWE's actual numbers. Its all the same tiresome spun bullshit as always.



Purposefully, it is just as absurd to hype it up that way.

Serious question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? A pure, simple fact with no spin. I would have read that and thought "solid gate, good for them" and would not have anything to complain about. Framing EVERYTHING as something to be a cheerleader about and #LFG'ing, all that extra bullshit, it invites dickheads like me who see through it to have something to take issue with.

It is no longer about them doing their best gate, it is about them not being able to ever just STFU and take a win.
I may be wrong here (often am as I’m not subscribed to this one vs. the other nonsense, and I’m not on Twitter) but the guy that posted that is a fan, not affiliated with AEW at all outside of being a fan. So how does the criticism become of AEW not being able to “take a win”?
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Considering that NJPW works with its own rivals, I cant see the DDT partnership being a deal breaker for future collaboration. CMLL and AAA are the only companies to my knowledge that take serious offense from their partners working with the other brand.
There is a big difference between you working with someone to promote your own stuff and another partner swooping in to do the same thing without you. We’ll see how this all goes, lol.
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