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Old 08-19-2014, 10:36 PM   #8521
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Oh yeah. Punk. Punk would actually be awesome. If only.
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Cena needs to give up in the match. Anything else = stupid.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:40 PM   #8523
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I'm slightly intrigued with the match only because I'm interested in what the purpose ends up being. I can't see any way Cena wins it back but I also can't see any way they can possibly put Brock over more. Just repeating the same result and having him squash him again would be silly. I don't know. Can't think of a realistic outcome.

I'd say a submission match where Cena "never gives up" and passes out but we just saw that.
I was thinking they might do the match stoppage thing too, but we did just see that with Swagger and even Ambrose on RAW. It might be best to just have Brock kill Cena in a No DQ Match, which Cena requests because he beat Brock in Extreme Rules last time. Or you can do 2/3 Falls and have Brock win two straight falls against Cena.
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Well as far as Japanese stuff goes that thread I made a little while ago has a link to probably the largest archive of puroresu you'll find, with descriptions for each match.
I didn't know such a thread existed.

I've just checked it out and watched Hiroshi Tanahashi & Tetsuya Naito vs. Hirooki Goto & Katsuyori Shibata.

I don't know what it was about him, but Katsuyori Shibata interested me. The match was good, but it didn't really get good until about half way through. I found my interest in the match rising as it progressed.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:42 PM   #8525
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Cena needs to give up in the match. Anything else = stupid.
The man was just lost his title in a squash match and made Lesnar look like a beast. Why is it necessary to have another match just for Cena to tap out? It does much more to shit on Cena's character at this point than it would to build up Brock. If anything I guess Cena looking BETTER and learning from his mistakes but falling short again would be the better option. Still wish they could just keep Cena out of the picture somehow though as opposed to having the rematch.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:45 PM   #8526
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Oh yeah. Punk. Punk would actually be awesome. If only.
I'm not one of those "Punk is going to back any day now!" conspiracists, but with a few more months to rest up his body and recharge himself creatively, he might decide that a part-time return where he gets to spend time with his wife on the road, see some old friends again, wrestle a few matches he wants to wrestle, and get himself back in the spotlight and make a shit-ton of money might be worth it.

Punk would actually be a really good choice to take the World Title off Lesnar too, but I think I'd rather see Lesnar vs. Bryan just that little bit more, with Punk playing more of a wild card than the main protagonist -- especially if his deal is short-term.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:46 PM   #8527
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I didn't know such a thread existed.

I've just checked it out and watched Hiroshi Tanahashi & Tetsuya Naito vs. Hirooki Goto & Katsuyori Shibata.

I don't know what it was about him, but Katsuyori Shibata interested me. The match was good, but it didn't really get good until about half way through. I found my interest in the match rising as it progressed.
Go to my G1 thread and watch the matches Shibata had, mainly against Honma, Tanahashi, and Ishii
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If WWE told Punk they would let him take the title off Lesnar at WrestleMania I think he would be at Titan Towers before they could finish the phone call.

And God, no Bryan. Just... no.
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The man was just lost his title in a squash match and made Lesnar look like a beast. Why is it necessary to have another match just for Cena to tap out? It does much more to shit on Cena's character at this point than it would to build up Brock. If anything I guess Cena looking BETTER and learning from his mistakes but falling short again would be the better option. Still wish they could just keep Cena out of the picture somehow though as opposed to having the rematch.
I'm sure there are things they can do to make it seem like this rematch is Cena's chance for redemption. A more competitive match would do Cena a lot of good, but could also help Brock. SummerSlam was all about "Here is the Beast" and putting the title on him in convincing fashion. Cena could give Brock a series of German suplexes in their next match and "return the favor." Brock could use Cena's own STF to torture him and make Cena claw desperately for the ropes -- plenty of fresh "angles" for the match. Two F5s beat Cena last time, so I can see it taking three to beat him this time. Maybe when Brock hits the third, he doesn't cover Cena, but rather drills him with one or two more to drive the point home that he's won the match?
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If WWE told Punk they would let him take the title off Lesnar at WrestleMania I think he would be at Titan Towers before they could finish the phone call.

And God, no Bryan. Just... no.
Lol. Bryan is still the most over babyface the WWE has. It also comes with a built-in story. In some ways, Bryan needing to vacate the title allowed the company to do another chase with Bryan without him needing to get pinned along the way.
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I know me kinda liking Punk as the guy to beat Lesnar while thinking a homeless looking midget would be fucking retarded is ironic... but at least Punk could build the feud on the mic and be a charismatic champion. They may both kinda have the homeless midget that got pulled out of the crowd and given a contract look to them but Goddamn is Bryan awkward and unbelievable to listen to. That WrestleMania post show and his promo at the Money in the Bank pre-show were embarrassing for a guy who is being featured so prominently.
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The man was just lost his title in a squash match and made Lesnar look like a beast. Why is it necessary to have another match just for Cena to tap out? It does much more to shit on Cena's character at this point than it would to build up Brock. If anything I guess Cena looking BETTER and learning from his mistakes but falling short again would be the better option. Still wish they could just keep Cena out of the picture somehow though as opposed to having the rematch.
Nonononono, not tap out.

If you noticed during the first match Brock constantly kept telling the ref to "ask him" and the ref would then ask Cena if he gives up. Cena refused every time and then Brock finally just pinned him. Heyman even made mention of it in his promo on RAW. That's what I'm getting at; Brock needs to beat him to the point that Cena actually says "I Give up". This could be the start of #HEELCENA. Just saying.

I agree though, I wish they had just kept him out of it for awhile. Kinda feeling extremely 'meh' about the prospect of a rematch.
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Can't you just imagine the hype videos for that match? Do them in the style of the Brock/Cena ones. Clips of Brock Lesnar wrecking everyone when it is his parts of the video, clips of Bryan being Bryan when it's during his.

Brock:I'm going to break Daniel Bryan's neck at WrestleMania. I'm going to break his wife's heart. I'm going to shatter a lot of dreams.

Heyman: Daniel Bryan is the hardest working Superstar in the WWE. He has fought adversity his entire career -- whether it be fighting against The Authority or fighting to get back in a WWE ring. Daniel Bryan fights uphill because he has to, but Brock Lesnar has never been an underdog in his life.

Brock: Conquering The Undertaker? Easy. Conquering John Cena? Easy. Conquering Batista? Easy. Conquering Daniel Bryan? You better believe that is going to be easy. And I'm going to rub it in his nerd fans' faces after I do it too. How dare they cheer him over me? Who do they think they are? It doesn't matter anyway, because they all know I am going to beat Daniel Bryan. I'm walking into WrestleMania the WWE World Heavyweight Champion, and I am walking out of WrestleMania the WWE World Heavyweight Champion. And Daniel Bryan might just be the bravest person on planet earth, because he knows that I'm going to beat him at WrestleMania, and last I heard he's still planning to show up.

Heyman: It doesn't matter what movement you have on your side: The Undertaker's streak, the Cenation, Hulkamania -- they have all been conquored. The Yes Movement will fail just like every other movement before it.

Bryan: I didn't come back to be second-best. I didn't come back to be a B+ player. I came back to reclaim the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, and it doesn't matter who I have to beat to get there. I'm not only going to beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, but I'm going to make him tap-out.

That sort of shit. You have segments where The Undertaker returns and gives Bryan is vote of support. You do a contract signing where Bryan almost gets Brock in The YES! Lock, but Brock ends up putting Bryan through the table. You can even do a segment where Paul Heyman tortures Brie and asks her whether or not she actually thinks her husband can beat The Beast Incarnate and whether or not she is worried she won't get her husband back.
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Was Kaitlyn a good wrestler at the end of her run?I remember her being the worst on NXT
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fuck it, i think cena and brock would work next ppv if cena got just a little more offense in, but still got his ass handed to him. it would make it more "realistic"
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Not sure how into a Cena/Lesnar rematch I'm going to be. Like everyone else has already said, what's the story they're going to sell? Cena gets in three Attitude Adjustments? Hopefully they'll add some kind of stipulation, or maybe Paul Heyman will continue to work magic and make it enticing. Otherwise, the only place they can really go from last time is to have Lesnar legitimately murder Cena in the middle of the ring.

Or, you know, Cena will get the belt back and they'll lose 60% of their Network subscriptions. Whichever.
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i think i made a post about how kaitlyn sucked, way back when she was on nxt, and jaun negged me saying all i did was complain

she definitely got better over time, and i became a fan of hers toward the end
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i think i made a post about how kaitlyn sucked, way back when she was on nxt, and jaun negged me saying all i did was complain

she definitely got better over time, and i became a fan of hers toward the end
Yeah, she wasn't great when she started, but then again, none of the women on that season of NXT really were.

Most of them improved over time, but I think out of all of them, she improved the most/best, whereas AJ improved the quickest.
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i think i made a post about how kaitlyn sucked, way back when she was on nxt, and jaun negged me saying all i did was complain

she definitely got better over time, and i became a fan of hers toward the end
Speared better than Edge did.
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if i remember correctly, she even said that was her beginning in rasslin. those were literally her first matches
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i think i made a post about how kaitlyn sucked, way back when she was on nxt, and jaun negged me saying all i did was complain

she definitely got better over time, and i became a fan of hers toward the end
Did you learn your lesson?
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I'm probably looking too much into it, or maybe that it's 5:00am here and I'm tired, but I got thinking and maybe what happened at SummerSlam was a way of signalling that Cena's time at the top is over?

It all goes back to the name change from WWF to WWE, along with the logo change. That change happened in May 2002. A month later, John Cena debuts on SmackDown.

He spends his first few months (around three or four) as a Face with no real gimmick and having some matches, just getting used to being on the main roster. October arrives and he has a gimmick, that of a rapper. He's also a Heel now. This kick-starts his journey to the top.

WrestleMania XX, he's a Face now and he becomes United States Champion. His first title in WWE. His popularity slowly grows until Royal Rumble 2005 arrives and he loses to Batista. He then faces JBL at WrestleMania 21 for the WWE Championship, and wins.

For the next 9/10 years, he's at the top. While there, he racks up an impressive fifteen World Title reigns, only one short of matching the all-time record that's held by Ric Flair. He's in PPV main event after PPV main event. TV show appearances left, right and centre, and movie roles here and there. He's the face of the company and the WWE's biggest star since Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock.

Then, at the final PPV before the WWE logo officially changes to the new one on all platforms, John Cena get's practically murdered by Brock Lesnar, and in the process, loses his WWE Championship. The next night on Raw, and the first night of the official use of the new logo, John Cena is nowhere to be seen.

Now, Cena will come back and face Lesnar for the title again at Night of Champions, but I don't think he'll win. I think Lesnar will be keeping the WWE Championship up until WrestleMania, which is where we'll see our new "face of the company" be born. Because, whoever can defeat the man who mauled the previous face of the company so badly that he's no longer the face of the company, deserves to be the face of the company himself.

The logo change signals new things for the WWE and new plans too. Right now, apparently Roman Reigns is in line to be the new face of the company, but as we all know, things can change. I think now with the logo change and Lesnar as champion, this will be a "transition period" for the WWE, so to speak. After Night of Champions, Cena's role as the top guy will slowly dwindle down, whereas whoever defeats Lesnar, their roll will increase.
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That makes sense there for it will not happen.
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I agree CK, I had almost the exact same thoughts on things.
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I'm thinking they end up going with Roman Reigns over Lesnar at WrestleMania as a way of pushing Reigns as the new Cena, it flops horribly due to a combination of WWE suddenly booking Reigns to look weaker because that's what they feel the need to do with champions and the fact that he can't cut a promo to save his life, and then by the end of 2015 Cena is champion again.
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