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Old 05-15-2022, 10:54 PM   #9481
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This dude thinks he is CM Punk after fighting in the UFC
To be honest, almost everyone is done with your posting style. It was amusing at first but got stale in a minute. And then it transformed into something abhorrent. You're not adding anything of value to the forum. As a matter of fact, your posts are so detrimental that you've driven people away from the wrestling forum.
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Old 05-15-2022, 10:57 PM   #9482
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To be honest, almost everyone is done with your posting style. It was amusing at first but got stale in a minute. And then it transformed into something abhorrent. You're not adding anything of value to the forum. As a matter of fact, your posts are so detrimental that you've driven people away from the wrestling forum.
I'd argue that in fact it has been pretending CM Punk is credible that has driven fans away from wrestling, and thus posters away from wrestling forums.
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Old 05-15-2022, 10:58 PM   #9483
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I'd argue that in fact it has been pretending CM Punk is credible that has driven fans away from wrestling, and thus posters away from wrestling forums.
There isn't a modicum of sincerity in that post. Not everyone here likes CM Punk but they aren't as dense as you. Start acting your age.
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with MJFs size using him right is making him a chicken shit heel in your undercard. he's a little dude next to little dudes. you put him next to grown men and he's going to look like a ring announcer
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There isn't a modicum of sincerity in that post. Not everyone here likes CM Punk but they aren't as dense as you. Start acting your age.
There absolutely is, AEW was cooking before Punk came in and started beating everybody. His first promo he told Darby "the most dangerous thing you can do is get in a ring with me", like he isn't the dude that got tickled like a baby and flipped around his emo hair while doing twirlees.

I try to bring up these valid reasons why Punk shouldn't be going over anybody, and it just gets the ire of Punk fanboys. The only option left is simplistic meme flame wars. If the response is going to be raging Punkers regardless, I might as well get a few chuckles out of it.
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Old 05-15-2022, 11:22 PM   #9487
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There absolutely is, AEW was cooking before Punk came in and started beating everybody. His first promo he told Darby "the most dangerous thing you can do is get in a ring with me", like he isn't the dude that got tickled like a baby and flipped around him emo hair while doing twirlees.

I try to bring up these valid reasons why Punk shouldn't be going over anybody, and it just gets the ire of Punk fanboys. The only option left is simplistic meme flame wars. If the response is going to be raging Punkers regardless, I might as well get a few chuckles out of it.
You lack self awareness and come across as very immature for your age. Is this your idea of a discourse when you have a disagreement with someone?

We agree on many talking points but I refuse to associate with you anymore because of your conduct. You've become pathetic over time.
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Old 05-15-2022, 11:25 PM   #9488
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the punk issue is a real one. if you claim credibility is irrelevant you should ask yourself why lesnar coming back worked so well. there are ways you could have nursed punk back to health (though he should never get near a top guy or even an undercard title again [EVER]) but to have him go back to pretending to be tough day one was a massive blunder
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the punk issue is a real one. if you claim credibility is irrelevant you should ask yourself why lesnar coming back worked so well. there are ways you could have nursed punk back to health (though he should never get near a top guy or even an undercard title again [EVER]) but to have him go back to pretending to be tough day one was a massive blunder
I couldn't agree more. Credibility plays an important role as perception means everything in professional wrestling. The thing about fans is that they're very forgiving when it comes to their heroes. It's very hypocritical.
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Old 05-15-2022, 11:44 PM   #9490
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i do think there was a path to redemption for his characters image but its a path that had to walked. had to. one punks ego likely never noticed was needed. skipping that step hurts everyone he works with. both directly and indirectly.
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Old 05-16-2022, 12:01 AM   #9491
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I'm not sure what that would've looked like. Fans would've probably revolted if he was booked differently. I guess he's a big enough / recognizable name to challenge for the world title at Double or Nothing. I just hope Page retains.
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Old 05-16-2022, 12:06 AM   #9492
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Why is every title in AEW a world title?

AEW World Championship
AEW Women's World Championship
AEW World Tag Team Championship
FTW World Championship
ROH World Championship
ROH Women's World Championship
ROH World Tag Team Championship
ROH World Television Championship

It's just very daft.
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Punk is def big enough to draw in the core AEW crowd but there's a stigma that creates a clear plateau. i dont think he can grow the brand to reach even peak TNA/Impact numbers let alone anything beyond that due to the stink MMA put on him. i think the average person who knows who he is sees him, laughs, and changes the channel.
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You lack self awareness and come across as very immature for your age. Is this your idea of a discourse when you have a disagreement with someone?

We agree on many talking points but I refuse to associate with you anymore because of your conduct. You've become pathetic over time.
You are half right, I am quite aware actually, but yes I am purposefully being immature. When the only response to valid criticism is name calling and accused agenda pushing, well I got to the point where I could just stop posting, or I can really lean in and do exactly this.

Would you believe Fan and I were quite cordial for many months. Then Punk came back, I wrote my opinion much like Destor's post, a take that I did not think rocketing Punk was good. Fan and I had a few disagreements based around Punk, and it devolved and devolved and devolved, and here we are.

Its not even the first time i've done this, with the dumbed down memes, and eventually it worked out, and things were good. Sure, maybe that coincided with the timeframe of AEW that I thought they were really rolling (after the bomb that was Revolution up until after Full Gear), but I would like to think simply posting "DUBBAD" wouldn't have been enough for such anger.

Saying I am purposefully going over the top, absolutely. To suggest I am being insincere when I say I dislike CM Punk as a person, that he is an utter hypocrite, that I think he has zero credibility, or that I think featuring him at the top of the card is the biggest reason their ratings have continued to dwindle, well I assure you that is not a put on. I think the guy is the same bitter jealous mark he has always been and AEW is worse for hitching their wagon to him.
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Punk is def big enough to draw in the core AEW crowd but there's a stigma that creates a clear plateau. i dont think he can grow the brand to reach even peak TNA/Impact numbers let alone anything beyond that due to the stink MMA put on him. i think the average person who knows who he is sees him, laughs, and changes the channel.
A hundred percent. Anyone outside of the wrestling bubble is going to judge him him by his UFC record.
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i think its roughly half of the wrestling bubble too. but yes.
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You are half right, I am quite aware actually, but yes I am purposefully being immature. When the only response to valid criticism is name calling and accused agenda pushing, well I got to the point where I could just stop posting, or I can really lean in and do exactly this.

Would you believe Fan and I were quite cordial for many months. Then Punk came back, I wrote my opinion much like Destor's post, a take that I did not think rocketing Punk was good. Fan and I had a few disagreements based around Punk, and it devolved and devolved and devolved, and here we are.

Its not even the first time i've done this, with the dumbed down memes, and eventually it worked out, and things were good. Sure, maybe that coincided with the timeframe of AEW that I thought they were really rolling (after the bomb that was Revolution up until after Full Gear), but I would like to think simply posting "DUBBAD" wouldn't have been enough for such anger.

Saying I am purposefully going over the top, absolutely. To suggest I am being insincere when I say I dislike CM Punk as a person, that he is an utter hypocrite, that I think he has zero credibility, or that I think featuring him at the top of the card is the biggest reason their ratings have continued to dwindle, well I assure you that is not a put on. I think the guy is the same bitter jealous mark he has always been and AEW is worse for hitching their wagon to him.
So you had the option to not indulge and be mature about this but you chose otherwise. And I'm certain that anyone who has ever posted here is aware of those horrendous memes you use to plaster everywhere.

Once again, your opinion on CM Punk isn't unique. A lot of people share that. It's just that when have a disagreement we do not degrade ourselves to spamming the forum with garbage memes. Logical reasoning or being rational isn't your strong suit.
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i think its roughly half of the wrestling bubble too. but yes.
I'd say that's a bit of a stretch but there's certainly a sizeable crossover.

I guess it's safe to assume that the AEW fanbase and the hardcores will be receptive to a world title win. Even if it'd be a terrible decision considering how much they've invested in Page since the company started.
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AEW gets a lot of leeway as far as criticism is concerned. The recent TNT title changes have been a detriment to the perception of the belt. Felt like it had more luster when wrestlers like Cody, Miro, and Darby held it.
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aew is the tale of 2 spectrums. it get little to no criticism from its fandom and gets nothing but criticism from its detractors. its very much the same kind of tribalism thats infected every level of modern culture. objectivity is dead. long live absolutism.
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This is ridiculous. So many of yall screech and whine about Xrod like children. He is owning all of you, over and over again, every day. All he has to do when ya'll start giving him shit because you don't like his opinions and he won't bend the knee is post a stupid, low effort, non-sensical meme that took him 15 seconds to make and you all lose your shit like a bunch of vapid loons. It's like a master class on trolling from 2004. Ya'll talk about him being childish and you can't even refrain from overreacting and responding to his schtick ON QUEUE. It's fucking embarrassing. Jesus Christ.
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This is ridiculous. So many of yall screech and whine about Xrod like children. He is owning all of you, over and over again, every day. All he has to do when ya'll start giving him shit because you don't like his opinions and he won't bend the knee is post a stupid, low effort, non-sensical meme that took him 15 seconds to make and you all lose your shit like a bunch of vapid loons. It's like a master class on trolling from 2004. Ya'll talk about him being childish and you can't even refrain from overreacting and responding to his schtick ON QUEUE. It's fucking embarrassing. Jesus Christ.
Stop feeding the troll. Nobody is pwning anyone. Everyone is miserable.

Bringing up a valid concern isn't an overreaction nor does it mean that we're acting like children. However posting "stupid, low effort, non-sensical meme that took him 15 seconds to make" may qualify as such. At the end of the day it is his prerogative. Trolling is immature and the problem lies on both sides. Looking at you #1-wwf-fan. Their back and forth makes some of the threads unreadable.

Stop calling it a "master class in trolling", it's too funny.
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aew is the tale of 2 spectrums. it get little to no criticism from its fandom and gets nothing but criticism from its detractors. its very much the same kind of tribalism thats infected every level of modern culture. objectivity is dead. long live absolutism.
My bias is towards 80's and 90's Japanese wrestling, so everything I've ever said about AEW is STRAIGHT SHOOTIN'
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Old 05-16-2022, 02:15 AM   #9507
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i think pretty clearly im not in either camp. my loyalty is to a product that makes sense. doesnt matter who makes it. its a pretty low bar tbh. my preferences are wrestling presented as sport. no one did that better than japan until the midish 00s. really when Misawa died it all shifted pretty hard.
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It was actually Cody who originally stated AEW would have a more grounded, sports base presentation, and I wonder if AEW clearly not being that played a part in his departure.
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cody was usurped by the money mark. in codys mind there was to be a very different company with cody driving creative. look back on the early days, pre-aew even, and youll see the core concept was somethin very different. and imo much better.
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Stop feeding the troll. Nobody is pwning anyone. Everyone is miserable.

Bringing up a valid concern isn't an overreaction nor does it mean that we're acting like children. However posting "stupid, low effort, non-sensical meme that took him 15 seconds to make" may qualify as such. At the end of the day it is his prerogative. Trolling is immature and the problem lies on both sides. Looking at you #1-wwf-fan. Their back and forth makes some of the threads unreadable.

Stop calling it a "master class in trolling", it's too funny.
I think you have the plot backwards. This happened because I had valid criticisms of Punk, and the pushback was " you are dumb, you can't read, fuck you, Punk banged your girlfriend" etc.

My opinion of Punk hasn't changed, it is all the same as it was before he ever came back.

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CM Punk. Loved what he represented and stood for, but it was all bs to get himself over. As soon as he realized he would never get to Cena's level, was surpassed in popularity by Daniel Bryan, and his chance to be the guy was about over with Roman Reigns clearly the future, he became a whiny Punk. The fact that he bailed on all the fans that still to this day chant for him says it all.
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He is one of the experts on the show. His specialty will be showing the science of how to get your ass beat in real fights
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The MMA thing hurt his brand as a pro wrestler, but as an actor I think he can be successful.

Funny thing is before he announced he was going to do UFC, most people assumed he was going to try a hand at acting.

He even had some early buzz/rumors of going out for the Negan role on Walking Dead. Prior to him really slimming down for MMA, he more closely resembled the comic version of Negan than Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

If he would have landed that role instead of doing MMA and being on stupid reality shows, he would be far better off today than he is, instead of a bitter 40 year old who still acts like a 15 year old angst riddled punk rocker.

I also thought it was especially embarrassing that one of the things he complained about was how Miz main evented Mania but Phil never did, like Miz was beneath him and it was a slap in his face. Then fast forward a few years and he is getting embarrassed on an MTV reality show competition that happened to be hosted by Miz. Karma right there
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CM Punk is so small now too, he was down to 169 lbs for his last UFC fight. No way anybody is believing a 170 pounder who got his ass utterly kicked could beat anybody. Not to mention 5 plus years of badmouthing the business, he can stay gone.
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CM Punk would get a great pop at All Out, but he lost all cred with his UFC trash career. He is good enough to bump interest, but he isn't gonna be a game changer the way Moxley was. Punk has simply been gone too long and failed so hard on everything since leaving WWE, I just don't see him getting back up to that level.
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Don't know if anybody is watching, but David Arquette just told CM Punk that his wrestling career was better than Punk's MMA career lol
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Bryan I think is a far better get. Punk just feels like he missed the boat. He could have been there from the start. He could have shown up at the first All Out. I cant think of any way his character benefits from waiting 2 and a half years to then join AEW.
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Even if Mox ripped parts of his character from Punk's, Moxley has more of a right to portray those aspects because he never went and got destroyed in real fights.

No matter how good Punk is on the mic, who can ever remotely believe that guy could win a fight against anybody but the Marko Stunt's or Peter Avalon's?

Nobody who saw those UFC fights is going to look at Punk as being able to beat Miro or Archer, or outwrestle anybody with any real skill. Its the biggest obstacle he has, moreso than not having a match for 7 and a half years, moreso them him weighing like 165 pounds now, moreso than hum being almost 43.

CM Punk is not the guy he was during his peak 2011-2012 run, and much like what happened in 2013 and 2014 when he quit, Bryan is going to outshine him, and how long until that eats him up and he gets bitter like the malcontent he is.
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Remember when Punk hated that Miz main evented and Punk acted like it was so obvious that he was better and Miz was beneath?

Then fast forward a few years and Miz not only had his successful wrestling career, but thanks to his MTV roots got to host shows like The Challenge on MTV.

Then remember how Punk was on that very same show and got dominated by a dude named Johnny Bananas???
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I dont know if it would even be that big of a deal to me if it was a 100% surprise. I think waiting 3 extra years before joining is dumb. Punk feels very irrelevant to me.

I think maybe that is why they are *wink winking* him coming in so much, because after the initial return in his hometown, is anybody honestly not going to be immediately looking forward to the New York show and Bryan Danielson?

Punk seems like filler until Bryan shows up.


All BEFORE Punk came back.
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in codys mind kahn was going to be the financial backer not the booker
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cody was usurped by the money mark. in codys mind there was to be a very different company with cody driving creative. look back on the early days, pre-aew even, and youll see the core concept was somethin very different. and imo much better.
100% this
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It was actually Cody who originally stated AEW would have a more grounded, sports base presentation, and I wonder if AEW clearly not being that played a part in his departure.

I imagine it had something to do with it. Any interest they had in presenting themselves as a serious sport went out the window early on imo. No one is buying the flippy, no selling, finisher spamming spot fests as serious sport.

That said I'm still happy to go see Dynamite in July.
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cody was usurped by the money mark. in codys mind there was to be a very different company with cody driving creative. look back on the early days, pre-aew even, and youll see the core concept was somethin very different. and imo much better.
I remember going to the original Fyter Fest. It was only their 2nd or 3rd show overall at that point. Had a VERY different feel to it, especially being there.

Still the weirdest thing to me is how over Darby quickly got because at FF everyone in the crowd was crapping all over him hard. I dunno if they covered the crowd or what for the TV feed but it was BAD.
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look back on the early days, pre-aew even, and youll see the core concept was somethin very different. and imo much better.
They had flippy shit, garbage wrestling and druids dressed like giant penises mixed in with the “serious” stuff on the first All In. Pre-Tony Khan. It was never really that different.
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it was very different. wrestling shows can have variety. thats unimportant. trivial even.
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I think you have the plot backwards. This happened because I had valid criticisms of Punk, and the pushback was " you are dumb, you can't read, fuck you, Punk banged your girlfriend" etc.

My opinion of Punk hasn't changed, it is all the same as it was before he ever came back.

All BEFORE Punk came back.
Where did I say that your opinion on Punk changed?

Also, the pushback you received for criticizing Punk is uncalled for. You don't deserve that.
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cody was usurped by the money mark. in codys mind there was to be a very different company with cody driving creative. look back on the early days, pre-aew even, and youll see the core concept was somethin very different. and imo much better.
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it was very different. wrestling shows can have variety. thats unimportant. trivial even.
What do you think changed as far as the core concept?
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