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Old 01-20-2010, 08:45 PM   #921
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Webb, who has options on two sequels, will now tackle a Jamie Vanderbilt script that sees a “Spider-Man” movie that will look and feel very different from the big movies that went before it.

The plan for the movie is to be in the $80 million range and feature a cast of relative unknowns (so you can quash those Rob Pattinson or Gordon-Levitt rumors at this point). And the story will be pared down to center on a high school kid who is dealing with the knowledge that his uncle died even though the teen had the power to stop it.

The touchstone for the new movie will not be the 1960s comics, which were the inspiration behind the movies by Raimi, who grew on up on them, but rather this past decade’s “Ultimate Spider-Man” comics by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley where the villain-fighting took a back seat to the high school angst.
That's cool, I still have Ultimate Spidey's first few arcs and I loved the direction. Many of you won't because you're pussies.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:56 PM   #922
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So liking the original mythology of a superhero fighting supervillians in the city is for pussies? And the showcase of teen angst isn't?

I'm happy to be a pussy

I don't want to see that at all. The time given to his high school days in the first movie was enough. Any more than that is of little interest to me.

In fact, I think this time around it wouldn't even be so bad to skip the radioactive spider bite and origin altogether. We already saw the Spidey origin story done almost exact to the comics and cartoons in 2002.
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:00 PM   #923
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I'd like to see an older Spiderman pitted against Kingpin and a whole lot of villains we haven't seen yet (Hobgoblin, Shocker, Scorpion, Smythe, Tombstone, and a proper Venom and Carnage), and sneaking off on Mary Jane to galavant with Black Cat, and things of that sort.
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Are you fucking serious biting like that?
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Yea. You say not wanting Ultimate is for pussies and I say, sign me up on the pussy list. I'm not DEAD serious
But, yes I have no interest in the ultimate spiderman, especially when it comes to the big screen.
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:04 PM   #926
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How many times have you seen that I enjoyed the Raimi take on Spidey, and most other comic adaptions in general? I'm gonna call people pussies for not liking a certain version? This isn't out of character for me? Interesting.
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:05 PM   #927
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The fuck, all this teen angst shit, that is not what people want to see. We already know the fucking story, seen it in soo many forms and times already, do something new and different, jesus.
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Yea. You say not wanting Ultimate is for pussies and I say, sign me up on the pussy list. I'm not DEAD serious
But I'm fucking joking, the line doesn't even make sense. Are people who like the Ultimate Spidey "brave"? I mean, really.
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You guys are pussies for many other reasons, though. Teehee.
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Also, I loved the Spidey costume in the Raimi movies but they obviously have to go for a new and fresh style.
I think it should be even closer to the classic costume, with a lighter blue and red color, and black webbing. Plus the big ugly spider on the back. Also, the eyes can be reshaped.

Oh yea, I'd like to see Spidey use web shooters in this version too.

Of course these things aren't really major. I want the movies to be good first and foremost, but these little touches would be nice
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But I'm fucking joking, the line doesn't even make sense. Are people who like the Ultimate Spidey "brave"? I mean, really.
I was going along with your joke. I didn't really think you were offending my manhood, nor would I actually willingly be a pussy.
Also, Ultimate is for pussies
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:12 PM   #932
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Honestly they better "do the Batman" and use some never before used villains from the get go.

Even Batman Begins had the sense to use Scarecrow and Ras Al Guhl, since they were next up on the list of villains that weren't used in the Burton/Schumacher movies.
Obviously it was a whole new world and they could have re-used villains right away, but I think it's pretty lame to come right out of the gates with a reboot and use old faces again.
If they start off with Green Goblin, Doc Ock, or Venom its kind of lame.
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Yeah, fuck worrying about costume colours or whatever.

The point is, rebooting the series is bullshit, they should've let Raimi done his thing - ok well that's all over now. The real point is, it's been established. There is only so many times its actually WORTH telling the same story again and I just really think that the people who fell in love with Spiderman way back in 2001/2002, don't need and are still young enough of an audience to accept what has happened.

I just don't see the point in even going over that stuff all over again, even in a different way. They should take this in the other direction - have him older, changed, different - After Spiderman 3, grow on that and bring in a new actor, new villains, new ideas.

Its giving me such a head ache thinking about it.
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Web shooters, ugh. As a pup I always thought Spidey just shot the shit from his own body. When I learned he actually used web shooters I remember being disappointed. It just undermines the whole 'spider transformation' of it all, "I have spider strength, wall crawling, spider sense... but I have to whip up a batch of synthetic webbing." It was always kinda lame to me and I was happy Raimi went with organic webbing. I hope it remains in the reboot.

I want Gwen Stacy to be the new lead female, as well as her eventual death. More Flash Thompson, too. And this time, give Venom a central villain role - but I wouldn't mind a redo of Raimi's Venom, with the 'broken mirror Peter' thing. That's a stronger Eddie Brock than the homosexual 'he has to be bulky' thing people jack off for.
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Yeah, fuck worrying about costume colours or whatever.

The point is, rebooting the series is bullshit, they should've let Raimi done his thing - ok well that's all over now. The real point is, it's been established. There is only so many times its actually WORTH telling the same story again and I just really think that the people who fell in love with Spiderman way back in 2001/2002, don't need and are still young enough of an audience to accept what has happened.

I just don't see the point in even going over that stuff all over again, even in a different way. They should take this in the other direction - have him older, changed, different - After Spiderman 3, grow on that and bring in a new actor, new villains, new ideas.

Its giving me such a head ache thinking about it.
I hate that even after Spidey 3, Sony still wanted to run things - knowing how Spidey 3 turned out. Frustrating.
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I'm not really worrying about it. But it sort of fits into what I would envision as an interesting way of approaching the new series. How?, you may ask. I just think it would be cool if they went for a more colorful, populated world like the comics.

Now I don't mean campy and overcrowded like the Joel Schumacher movies, but sort of the same to Spiderman as Nolan's movies are to Batman. That is, exactly like the comics.
You would have major villains and minor villains, and things would be planned out. Villains could be in multiple movies, and have different sized roles, rather than be chosen one per movie and dominate the film.
I want to see a colorful Spiderman that spouts cheesy banter, and fight comic book villains. That means I want to see a Green Goblin that looks like a Goblin, and wears a purple hood.
None of the military project, or psuedo-X Games versions.
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Nolan's Batman movies are not like the comics. He takes several liberties, he just happens to be a great director using an awesome script. Sort of like Tim Burton's run.
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Kano, it is possible to have a reboot that doesn't contradict or retread on anything from the originals.
They can change the style, tone, and look of the movies, but use all new villains and have an older version of Peter Parker. They could just start with Peter Parker already established as Spider-Man, and go from there.

Basically, that would be the same thing Batman Forever did. Only better.

Still, of the two possibilities I like the idea of starting fresh and making it more like the comics.
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Thing is, it totally worked for Batman, and although there COULD be some very cool things you could do with a grittier Spidey, I don't think it's the right move.

I personally LOVED Spiderman 1 & 2 and parts of 3 (overall let down though) - When I first saw Spiderman 1, I was sitting in the cinema, and I was actually trying to piece the whole feel of Raimi's version in my head, like, 'Its not camp, it's not a pisstake, it's got serious tones and themes, its funny, its fast paced...' and so on, and I fucking loved it, I loved the feeling I got from all these cool aspects coming together that told the story.
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Something that might just be able to appease both sides of the discussion would be to bring up SpiderMan 2099. You get to tell a completely new origin story, in a futuristic setting, with characters that are familiar, but yet not.
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I shouldn't have said exactly, because they're not. What I meant is, the world of Gotham is the same.
The differences are just that it's more realistic, but for the most part his movies are very very similar to most of the best Batman comics.

I shouldn't address "the comics" as one thing anyways, since they range from stuff like Long Halloween, all the way to shit like Batman and Robin flying rocketships to Mars.
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Kano, it is possible to have a reboot that doesn't contradict or retread on anything from the originals.
They can change the style, tone, and look of the movies, but use all new villains and have an older version of Peter Parker. They could just start with Peter Parker already established as Spider-Man, and go from there.

Basically, that would be the same thing Batman Forever did. Only better.

Still, of the two possibilities I like the idea of starting fresh and making it more like the comics.
I get what you are saying, and I think in my previous post that's what I was trying to say, that it could and would be cool.

I just, I dunno, I just don't like the fact that it took so long to get to this point and now it's all going to be thrown away, all in under a decade. I was in love with the first idea that Maguire and Raimi were going to make 6 - that idea, that ambition and drive, it kinda made me fall in love with such possibilities.

I'm not saying it can't be done and in a good way - I'm not an expert on comics etc, but I am an aware cinema viewer and fan. I just don't like the idea of starting again mainly - even if they were to change the actors, director, tones, themes, rating - I would be accepting of that - but to actually start back at the beginning again - I just don't like it.

Its an obvious route for them to reboot with new cast and crew - why don't they do what I just said, keep it going, yet still make the changes. That's the best I can personally hope for anyway. That plan can't really go the way Batman did after Burton at least because I would like to think Hollywood listens to SOME of its audience SOME of the time.
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Thing is, it totally worked for Batman, and although there COULD be some very cool things you could do with a grittier Spidey, I don't think it's the right move.

I personally LOVED Spiderman 1 & 2 and parts of 3 (overall let down though) - When I first saw Spiderman 1, I was sitting in the cinema, and I was actually trying to piece the whole feel of Raimi's version in my head, like, 'Its not camp, it's not a pisstake, it's got serious tones and themes, its funny, its fast paced...' and so on, and I fucking loved it, I loved the feeling I got from all these cool aspects coming together that told the story.
I agree with you. I absolutely loved Spidey 1 and 2. I think Spiderman 2 is probably the second or third best comic book movie ever made. Until Dark Knight came along I considered it the best by far.

The thing is though, Spiderman 3 did such a number on the series that it would have had a real time recovering. I'd have like to see it get another chance to continue, because I know Raimi could do it. There was still plenty of ground to cover, even though they blew a lot of good things.

But I realize now that it's too late for that and it's not going to happen. So I basically just hope this new version is done well and I can enjoy it.
I'm not against a reboot in concept anyways. It would have happened eventually anyways. I just think it's a tad too soon
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I agree with you. I absolutely loved Spidey 1 and 2. I think Spiderman 2 is probably the second or third best comic book movie ever made. Until Dark Knight came along I considered it the best by far.

The thing is though, Spiderman 3 did such a number on the series that it would have had a real time recovering. I'd have like to see it get another chance to continue, because I know Raimi could do it. There was still plenty of ground to cover, even though they blew a lot of good things.

But I realize now that it's too late for that and it's not going to happen. So I basically just hope this new version is done well and I can enjoy it.
I'm not against a reboot in concept anyways. It would have happened eventually anyways. I just think it's a tad too soon
Yeah, I think he would've redeemed himself if he got to do 4. At least there was closure on certain things in 3, like Harry. And with Venom, I would've at least liked the symbiote to have survived, no need to bring back Topher Grace. But yeah, all this doesn't really matter now

Like I've said, a total reboot, THIS soon, and after how far Raimi came, and how far he or someone else could've taken it - it's a bad move. Will it be a hit at the box office? - probably and I guess that's all they care about.
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I just, I dunno, I just don't like the fact that it took so long to get to this point and now it's all going to be thrown away.
To be fair the point they were at wasn't so hot. They were in great shape after 2, and after 3 things were such a mess that the series main direction would have been a step back.
The angle with Harry Osborn had been completely ended. They threw away the symbiotes. The romantic angle with MJ had basically run it's course.
The only real existing plot thread was Curt Connors as The Lizard.

I still think Raimi could have brought it back to basics and saved it, but the bad taste of 3 would have always been there and to be honest I don't think it's a crying shame that it's over.
I would have been so pissed if 3 was good, and then this happened, but I honestly am only against the reboot because I think it's stupid to do it this soon. I'm not really upset about not getting to see that story continued. Sort of feels tired and resolute.
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The real shame is that all of the problems of part 3 could have been solved if it were stretched over 2 movies.
Some simple tweaks from there would have fixed everything. You could have then done justice to the Harry storyline, Venom, and Parker with the blacksuit.
None of it would have been so rushed.

Then you could have had the time to avoid lazy, awful writing like Sandman wandering into a late night experiment, or having a newscast that explains 20 big plot elements in 15 seconds at the end.
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Yeah I agree, and I always thought that 3 was like two films in one. Too many villains, too much of the Parker/MJ to fit into one film.

Oh god, yeah that English bint newswoman, that nearly made me want to leave.
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Huh.....how interesting they're going with Ultimate Spider-Man rather then mainstream Spider-Man. Could actuallty work as Ultimate Spider-Man was supposed to appeal to the kiddies and get them into comics. So hey....it could work.
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I like Ultimate Spider-Man. But a reboot of any type is way out of the question right now.
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I would much rather see them move the story 20 years into the future and see them tackle the issues as Spidey gets older/too old for his superhero antics than to cover the high school years...again.
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A few more details concerning Sony’s reboot of Spider-Man (see “Director Hired for Spider-Man Reboot”) have leaked out. According to The Hollywood Reporter’s Risky Business blog, new Spider-Man director Marc Webb has an option for two additional Spidey movies. Current plans call for film with a budget of about $80 million that will concentrate on Peter Parker’s high school years and feature a young and inexpensive cast.



Reportedly the inspiration for the film, which will be based on a script by Jamie Vanderbilt, is the Ultimate Spider-Man series written by Brian Michael Bendis and illustrated by Marc Bagley. Ultimate Spider-Man debuted in October of 2002. Bendis stretched Stan Lee’s original 11-page Spider-Man origin story into a seven-issue 180-page story arc by fleshing out Peter Parker’s high school adventures, his after school job, his relationship with next door neighbor Mary Jane Watson, and the circumstances surrounding the death of his uncle.
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There's two possible options here for what I could 'tolerate' (I still think a reboot is a no-no).

1. Actually calling the film 'Ultimate Spider-Man'.
2. If they continued the saga but made small changes in flashbacks etc, similar to Punisher: Warzone.

I really like Ultimate Spider-Man. Even though it's more dialogue than action, it's a really good read. But I just really don't like the idea of rebooting a movie francise this soon.
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Don't worry. 8 years from now, they'll reboot it and take it in a new direction.
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Ya know... if every movie was a reboot and people got used to different teams on the same project (like comics now), that would be better. radical, but better in a way.
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