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Old 07-02-2022, 07:36 PM   #10321
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You know what? Fuck it — cut Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Jake Hager and Christopher Daniels too. If Kenny is not re-signing, cut him too. That’s at least $4 million right there. JR is cooked, apparently. Cut him. $5 million. Luchasaurus sucks — cut him. Orange Cassidy does more harm than good, you can send him silently into the night instead of licensing fucking music for him. Bobby Fish is old and The Undisputed Elite sucks. Shawn Spears has had more than enough time in the sun, and you don’t need QT Marshall to put anyone over. Add them all to the list. That’s probably another $7 million saved.

Bryce Remsburg and Rick Knox can be cut from the refs.

Alex Marvez and Justin Roberts from the broadcast team.

Do you really need Ace Steel and BJ Whitmer as agents? I’d argue that you could probably cut Billy Gunn too, but he’s one of the best things they’ve got.
I liked Hager back in the day. Thought he was a solid, upper mid-card and occasional main event guy. But yeah, he can go now. AEW has had him for 3 years and he's done fuck all besides stand behind Jericho with his arms crossed. Anyone can do that and for less money.

Agree on Wight, Henry, Daniels and JR too. JRs the only one I even hesitate a little on because damnit its JR.

Don't know/care enough about the refs\broadcast guys\agents to comment on them.

OC is fine in his role as long as they aren't overpaying him. Nothing wrong with having a couple comedy gimmicks around to lighten the mood and he can shine from time to time when he really goes, unlike a lot of comedy guys.

Also would keep Luchasaurus. I have a weird soft spot for him. Like what he does at his size. The gimmick is just terrible though.

I'd keep Billy around too for now, but he's definitely nearing the end of the time where that would be the case. Maybe another year or 2 at most.
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Old 07-02-2022, 07:39 PM   #10322
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Oh, and Undisputed Elite....yeah Id probably cut and run. They are making a chunk of change, are older, seem to be a bit injury prone and they have other guys that already fill their niche. Maybe keep Cole a little while because he's somehow still over af with the crowd even though hes terrible rn and because of Britt.
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:43 PM   #10323
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OC may not get paid a lot compared to ex WWE guys, but how much has it cost Shad for his son to license 2 different songs for this guy? I would be willing to bet those 2 songs cost AEW more than Cassidy himself.
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:47 PM   #10324
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Yeah thats just speculation though. I feel like it's probably nowhere near as expensive as you think it is.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:26 PM   #10325
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That was just window dressing attached to my extremely valid point.
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Right. If the homosexual implication is particularly offensive, I’m pretty sure if it were a female that drew THIS level of obsession the same conclusion could be met. The main point remains unresolved.

Getting sidetracked by something that isn’t the point again.

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Just wanna make sure this isn’t an issue we wanna address.

Just in case Noid’s convenient string of posts ACCIDENTALLY buried a poignant issue. We’re just ending it here, right?
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You guys are so weird man, what are you 8 years old? The person you say you hate and are mean to is really the person you are crushing on? Good logic, but here is the truth.

I don't say I hate Punk because I secretly like him, I say I hate Punk because featuring him as the guy ruins AEW for me, far more than any stupid Elite flippy shit ever did. It is that simple for me, how can I take it seriously when THAT guy is supposed to be the best. It is offensive to any pro wrestler that has to lose to that guy, ESPECIALLY in a company where "Wins and Losses REALLY MATTER".
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Old 07-03-2022, 01:02 AM   #10327
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You really think he's the worst to ever be pushed to the top? I don't think he's an ideal guy to build a company around but I don't think he's the absolute worst choice either and he alone definitely doesn't ruin a whole show for me. I just don't see that being the sole downfall of AEW the way you do and I don't think everyone who has to do the job for him is necessarily going to be in career jeopardy because of that either
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Old 07-03-2022, 01:30 AM   #10328
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You really think he's the worst to ever be pushed to the top? I don't think he's an ideal guy to build a company around but I don't think he's the absolute worst choice either and he alone definitely doesn't ruin a whole show for me. I just don't see that being the sole downfall of AEW the way you do and I don't think everyone who has to do the job for him is necessarily going to be in career jeopardy because of that either
Yes, he killed any credibility he had in UFC. There is no way to believe he could ever beat a guy like Adam Page, who is 13 years younger, about 40 pounds heavier, faster, stronger, and more athletic (he can actually do a flip over the rope).

Even when WCW made David Arquette World Champion, they did it as a fluke, not because he was such a badass. They also did not portray him as a bad ass AFTER he proved to everybody he could never win a real fight.

It would be like having Hulk Hogan come back as the best Civil Rights Activist. People would say hold up, THAT is the guy you want in that role?
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Old 07-03-2022, 01:43 AM   #10329
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You guys are so weird man, what are you 8 years old? The person you say you hate and are mean to is really the person you are crushing on? Good logic, but here is the truth.

I don't say I hate Punk because I secretly like him, I say I hate Punk because featuring him as the guy ruins AEW for me, far more than any stupid Elite flippy shit ever did. It is that simple for me, how can I take it seriously when THAT guy is supposed to be the best. It is offensive to any pro wrestler that has to lose to that guy, ESPECIALLY in a company where "Wins and Losses REALLY MATTER".
You don't seem to enjoy AEW regardless, so that doesn't really track.
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Getting sidetracked again because of the issue that was fansplained in the ORIGINAL fansplain…

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But for your sake, I'll point out that he thinks you're calling him simply disliking Punk a gimmick and I'm pretty sure that's not the case. So you're gonna get sidetracked.
See…

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You guys are so weird man, what are you 8 years old? The person you say you hate and are mean to is really the person you are crushing on? Good logic, but here is the truth.

I don't say I hate Punk because I secretly like him…
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The gimmick is that you mention him in every thread you post in regardless of whether its relevant.
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Old 07-03-2022, 03:44 AM   #10332
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You don't seem to enjoy AEW regardless, so that doesn't really track.
That is false, I was on board for pretty much all of 2021, even with the exploding ring dud. Then they started bringing in WAY too many ex Fed guys, pushing complete randoms out of nowhere like Wheeler Yuta, and after patting themselves on the back for their great 3 year build of Adam Page, they gave it up to crown the owner's favorite wrestler in 9 months time.

They literally brought in a guy 2 weeks later who is more famous, more popular, more successful, and 1000 times more believable, who also was 6 months removed from being in the main event of Wrestlemania, and they have him in garbage 10 man hardcore matches while Phil gets to be World Champion.

There is asking for suspension of disbelief, but this is WAY more. This is asking us to completely ignore 7 years of that dude failing at everything while bad mouthing pro wrestling and its fans, and be happy and grateful he is back on a wrestling show while pretending he is the best at it.
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Old 07-03-2022, 10:15 AM   #10333
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Why are you guys worried about a company paying right for a song? Quit being a Vince boy, AEW is where the fun is. We have rock songs, pop songs, huge legends and up and coming super stars, no super HEROS.

We love AEW here X-Rod and Noid, you won't change that!
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I was just going down the list of losers on this roster. You could save a million before you even get done cutting the A’s.

* Aaron Solo
* Abadon
* Alan Angels
* Alex Reynolds
* Angelico
* The Blade
* Brandon Cutler
* Brian Cage
* Brian Pillman, Jr.
* Chuck Taylor
* Colt Cabana
* Danhausen
* Don Callis
* Emi Sakura
* Evil Uno
* Fuego Del Sol
* Griff Garrison
* Jake Roberts
* Keith Lee
* Kip Sabian
* Leva Bates
* Luther
* Mark Sterling
* Matt Hardy
* Michael Nakazawa
* Peter Avalon
* Preston Vance
* Riho
* Serpentico
* Sonny Kiss
* Stokely Hathaway
* Tony Nese
* Tully Blanchard
* Vickie Guerrero
* Yuka Sakazaki

I haven’t even included guys like Big Show and Mark Henry who do PR work, at least. You could always cut guys like Daniels & Kazarian too. But I’ve generally tried to stay away from people who are important to the show, even if I think they suck. So I kept Hager and Orange Cassidy. But you could go even deeper with these cuts and let go of Trent Beretta, Lance Archer, Shawn Spears and guys like that.

That’s 35 names. Fucking ludicrous.
One of those guys has already gone, and there’s a good chance most of that list won’t be re-upped.

Now do a WWE list.
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One of those guys has already gone, and there’s a good chance most of that list won’t be re-upped.

Now do a WWE list.
Doesnt WWE already do that for us every few months?
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One of those guys has already gone, and there’s a good chance most of that list won’t be re-upped.

Now do a WWE list.
When you’ve got about 50 people who should be gone, 1 being cut does not really do much. I don’t know why they were there in the first place.

The WWE roster is actually pretty slender. Am I getting rid of guys with potential because they aren’t being used? Am I going to cull people over the age of 40? Ah, fuck it, here goes:

* Akira Tozawa
* Cedric Alexander
* Ciampa
* Dominik Mysterio
* Finn Balor
* Otis
* R-Truth
* Reggie
* Shelton Benjamin
* T-Bar
* Veer Mahaan

I get why a lot of them are there. Their comedy division has value to them. They do PR. They meant something once upon a time. Having a Nigerian giant will get you certain attention. I’m just thinking really unaffectionately about what I would feature in a streamlined WWE. If I stop to think “What would I actually do with you?” Nope, cut. It’s not a talent issue with a lot of these guys.

* Alexa Bliss
* Carmella
* Dana Brooke
* Doudrop
* Nikki ASH
* Tamina

* Erik
* Happy Corbin
* Humberto
* Jinder Mahal
* Mace
* Mansoor
* Ricochet
* Ridge Holland
* Shanky
* Sheamus

* Aliyah
* Lacey Evans
* Naomi
* Raquel Rodriguez
* Sasha Banks
* Shotzi

* Charles Robinson

* Booker T
* Corey Graves
* Jerry Lawler
* Wade Barrett

I had to be more “ruthless” with the WWE list.
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When you’ve got about 50 people who should be gone, 1 being cut does not really do much. I don’t know why they were there in the first place.

The WWE roster is actually pretty slender. Am I getting rid of guys with potential because they aren’t being used? Am I going to cull people over the age of 40? Ah, fuck it, here goes:

* Akira Tozawa
* Cedric Alexander
* Ciampa
* Dominik Mysterio
* Finn Balor
* Otis
* R-Truth
* Reggie
* Shelton Benjamin
* T-Bar
* Veer Mahaan

I get why a lot of them are there. Their comedy division has value to them. They do PR. They meant something once upon a time. Having a Nigerian giant will get you certain attention. I’m just thinking really unaffectionately about what I would feature in a streamlined WWE. If I stop to think “What would I actually do with you?” Nope, cut. It’s not a talent issue with a lot of these guys.

* Alexa Bliss
* Carmella
* Dana Brooke
* Doudrop
* Nikki ASH
* Tamina

* Erik
* Happy Corbin
* Humberto
* Jinder Mahal
* Mace
* Mansoor
* Ricochet
* Ridge Holland
* Shanky
* Sheamus

* Aliyah
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* Naomi
* Raquel Rodriguez
* Sasha Banks
* Shotzi

* Charles Robinson

* Booker T
* Corey Graves
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I had to be more “ruthless” with the WWE list.
You just made Tiny Khan cum in his pants with all the potential yummy game changer debuts on that list.
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Hey Orange Cassidy is insanely over, moves merch, has great matches and gets some of the best reactions on the roster, so of course Noid wants to cut him. I’m some huge Cassidy mark but the guy is one of their most over homegrown talents. Cutting him is just stupid.
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Also why does anybody care how much money AEW is spending? Who gives a shit?

Meanwhile I’m excited to see Brody v Moxley. About time they give that team a bigger spotlight. Ideally this starts a feud leading to Black v Moxley for the title. Black needs a bigger role.
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Hey Orange Cassidy is insanely over, moves merch, has great matches and gets some of the best reactions on the roster, so of course Noid wants to cut him. I’m some huge Cassidy mark but the guy is one of their most over homegrown talents. Cutting him is just stupid.
Noid is for sure one of the people who thinks Orange Cassidy can't wrestle because of the gimmick.
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Orange Cassidy is a main event guy for AEW. Big star, super over, awesome matches. Jim Cornett doesn't like him? That's fine, we can all have different opinions. Did you see his match at Forbidden Door? Sick, what about how cool his new entrance song is? Slaps.
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Also why does anybody care how much money AEW is spending? Who gives a shit?

Meanwhile I’m excited to see Brody v Moxley. About time they give that team a bigger spotlight. Ideally this starts a feud leading to Black v Moxley for the title. Black needs a bigger role.
Yeah I hope they are doing well but I can't be bothered to give a shit about the financial details behind the shows I watch.
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Orange Cassidy is a main event guy for AEW. Big star, super over, awesome matches. Jim Cornett doesn't like him? That's fine, we can all have different opinions. Did you see his match at Forbidden Door? Sick, what about how cool his new entrance song is? Slaps.
If "Good Matches" was all it took to draw people in, we would be talking about how AEW's major competition is the NWA, and it would still be run by the Crocketts. Here's the problem: It doesn't. You need more than just "Good matches." You need at least something that resembles a personality people would want to see.

The fact that Orange Cassidy is a main event guy is kind of horrifying for the future of wrestling. His biggest problem is his gimmick. Because, I don't give a shit how good he can "go" once he "Gets serious." For all the talk about how AEW "Doesn't insult the fan's intelligence," they have a guy whose whole gimmick revolves around the fact that no one in AEW is smart enough to kick him in the gut and give him a finisher as soon as his hands get into his pockets. That's a bridge too far, even for those who watch wrestling.

As far as financials, it's not a big deal so long as A. it keeps them on TV and B. they satisfy the network.
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OCs new theme sucks... but OC is gold, great gimmick and can go in ring.

Hes an upper card talent, I dont really think hes a main eventer as such, hes certainly not winning the big one anytime soon. But the fans love him, his ring work is excellent and he moves merch, hes literally all you could want in a performer.

I had a small epiphany today about Theory that may apply here... were all a bunch of old cunts who want companies to "push young talent" but we want them to push young talent we (the aforementioned old cunts) want to see who look and sound like the stars of old we wish longingly for through rose tinted glasses.
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AEW is still great btw, horrendous run of injuries lately has put things up in the air but that can be good sometimes.

Brody King vs. Mox is gonna be great and hopefully might lead to Malakai vs. Mox which will also be great.

Blood and guts was great too, I often find myself wandering off on longer matches like that but I was all in the whole way through.

How good is Claudio... He looked impressive size wise in WWE but he looks like a fucking Titan in AEW, love it!
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If "Good Matches" was all it took to draw people in, we would be talking about how AEW's major competition is the NWA, and it would still be run by the Crocketts. Here's the problem: It doesn't. You need more than just "Good matches." You need at least something that resembles a personality people would want to see.

The fact that Orange Cassidy is a main event guy is kind of horrifying for the future of wrestling. His biggest problem is his gimmick. Because, I don't give a shit how good he can "go" once he "Gets serious." For all the talk about how AEW "Doesn't insult the fan's intelligence," they have a guy whose whole gimmick revolves around the fact that no one in AEW is smart enough to kick him in the gut and give him a finisher as soon as his hands get into his pockets. That's a bridge too far, even for those who watch wrestling.

As far as financials, it's not a big deal so long as A. it keeps them on TV and B. they satisfy the network.
I see your argument and it's valid but I think OC has evolved to a point where the joke of the gimmick is becoming secondary to his ability in ring. I think he's being taken a little bit more seriously than ever before. I only have a few weeks booking to support that but when he came out on Dynamite last week it felt like a star was reborn.
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Christ. OC should have peaked with his ppv match against PAC 2.5 years ago. I'm glad the neck beards are thrilled that he's being given a top spot. Loved the idea of the "sloth" wrestler at first but they've pushed him way out of his orbit. He needs to evolve as its been the same thing over and over again for years now. I could even forgive them pushing him up the card during a time like this when there are injuries all over but he isn't a long term solution in the upper card unless the numbers are saying otherwise.
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The MJF story needs to come back this week.
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Noid is for sure one of the people who thinks Orange Cassidy can't wrestle because of the gimmick.
Well, that’s just a lie. I don’t think Cassidy can wrestle because I’ve seen him wrestle and it’s horrid. People just perpetuate this myth around the guy being able to go because of the gimmick.

Orange Cassidy is why wrestling can’t have nice things. That people hide behind minute spikes of a couple of thousand people watching the silly bullshit is also telling. Attention is not approval.

He moves merchandise? How much? They never speak in terms of that do they? They let a number for someone slip one day because it set a “new record.” It was a shockingly low number of units moved. But because he’s “the most” it has to be good, right? It can’t be that they’ve niched themselves to the point that a gimmick that shits on the very genre it exists in does slightly better than people who should be drawing numbers. Nice!
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Even if the guy was good (he isn’t), the gimmick itself defeats the whole purpose of having wrestling. Smarks will bitch and moan about how nothing means anything anymore, but then champion a guy who smacks you in the face with “this isn’t real, so why bother even trying?” You might as well get rid of all your belts and not even have matches at that point.

You don’t have to think it’s real, but it’s nice for art to have a bit of integrity sometimes.
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Everybody debating whether Orange Cassidy sucks or not, yet Orange Cassidy is so much better than (ohhh XRod doing a gimmick!!!) CM Punk.

Orange Cassidy might not be everybody's cup of tea, but he never gave visual proof he is incapable of actually winning a fight or injured himself jumping into a crowd like a little bitch
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CM Punk vs. Orange Cassidy in a shoot fight on PPV. I’m there.
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People think that Orange Cassidy is a draw. AEW is watched be 1 million people a week, if that. Having 10 people come to your tent to see you eat live mice doesn’t make you a star just because the bearded woman only has 8. Especially when there are 100 people who would have gone to the fair if your act wasn’t creeping them out.
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Also, it’s not fucking funny. It’s a bad joke. And he can’t wrestle. It’s bad content.
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The MJF story needs to come back this week.
I still don’t see the point in having one of your best wrestlers going around and knocking the company. Especially when he’s a heel and he’s got a damn good point. What’s the end game here?

We could be living in a world where MJF is World Champion. Or where he’s taking advantage of CM Punk being injured and making a move for the World Title and rubbing it in his face.

Now he’s not on television…on purpose. Like…what?
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