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Old 07-07-2022, 06:26 PM   #10401
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Christian Cage right now. He’s betrayed Jungle Boy because of a loss over a year ago. He’s doing his best to make that make sense, and he’s so good, but it’s a pretty weird thing to help a guy you’re mad at out for months only to reveal that “haha, I don’t really like you. That time I came over and cleaned out your crawl space for you? It’s because I’m EVIL!” But you can project the same Kenny Omega energy onto it. Why doesn’t this count as a 27 yr old story, because it all really starts with Christian Cage being Jungle Boy’s real father, but Omega’s “odyssey” with Page does?

And for the record, Christian Cage’s story with Jungle Boy — yeah you can say it started with the Battle Royal. Whatever. He turned on him two weeks ago. That’s where we are. It’s not fucking unique to pro-wrestling to have Christian betray his buddy. It’s fucking pro-wrestling.
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Old 07-07-2022, 06:37 PM   #10402
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I can’t wait for Zach Gowen to come back and put his artificial in a glass case. So now Gowen’s two feet can’t hit the floor. Brock Lesnar destroys the glass and puts it on the ground so Gowen can be eliminated. Gowen is not deterred, however. Well, he is for a little bit. He wrestles The Miz at WrestleMania because…reasons. Then he disappears for a while for some reason. But then he returns and wins Money in the Bank from Theory, cashes in on Brock and wins the WWE Title, getting revenge on Brock, Sable and Vince from ‘03.

20 year storytelling people.
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Old 07-07-2022, 06:38 PM   #10403
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More realistically, Zack Ryder can return and attack Edge. He kept him down all those years ago. 15 yr storytelling.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:17 AM   #10404
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Is anyone aware of Kenny's contract terms? How long?

Tony recently said something like "I think Kenny will make it back".... Made me think. Did he sign a 3 year deal initially or a 5 year deal, or did he get an extension at some point? If it's 3 years then you could see an angle here were Kenny may be using the injuries to run out his contract. He is an EVP so I am not certain he's tied to the same obligations that WWE stars would be if they tried to run out their deal. WWE just extends, will AEW?
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:41 AM   #10405
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Christian Cage right now. He’s betrayed Jungle Boy because of a loss over a year ago. He’s doing his best to make that make sense, and he’s so good, but it’s a pretty weird thing to help a guy you’re mad at out for months only to reveal that “haha, I don’t really like you. That time I came over and cleaned out your crawl space for you? It’s because I’m EVIL!” But you can project the same Kenny Omega energy onto it. Why doesn’t this count as a 27 yr old story, because it all really starts with Christian Cage being Jungle Boy’s real father, but Omega’s “odyssey” with Page does?

And for the record, Christian Cage’s story with Jungle Boy — yeah you can say it started with the Battle Royal. Whatever. He turned on him two weeks ago. That’s where we are. It’s not fucking unique to pro-wrestling to have Christian betray his buddy. It’s fucking pro-wrestling.
That’s not quite how they’re playing it out though. He’s been explicit in that he “rode Jungle Boy’s coat-tails” to cash in easy money for as long as possible and that times up. It’s why they brought Matt Hardy into his orbit this week because he’d been doing the same thing.
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:43 AM   #10406
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Yes they slid Hardy into the story but I think it's just a place holder til Jungle Boy returns.
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Old 07-08-2022, 11:48 AM   #10407
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Is anyone aware of Kenny's contract terms? How long?

Tony recently said something like "I think Kenny will make it back".... Made me think. Did he sign a 3 year deal initially or a 5 year deal, or did he get an extension at some point? If it's 3 years then you could see an angle here were Kenny may be using the injuries to run out his contract. He is an EVP so I am not certain he's tied to the same obligations that WWE stars would be if they tried to run out their deal. WWE just extends, will AEW?
He signed a 4-year contract when the company started, so it would be coming due by the end of January 2023.

I genuinely am starting to wonder if he's actually going to return, and it has nothing to do with him wanting to change companies or anything. He's obviously had a lot of physical issues and he's realizing he's never gonna be able to heal to the full extent he might've wanted, but then you also have shit like vertigo. Wrestling with vertigo has to suuuuuuuuuck.

I dunno what else he'd do with his time or how much he's banked between NJPW and AEW over the years but I wonder if there's a point where he's just not wanting to put his body through it again. He really should scale his style back upon return but not sure he knows how to do that.
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Old 07-08-2022, 03:36 PM   #10408
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He signed a deal for four years in January 2019 with no extension option. So he’d likely be pondering his next move right now, possibly even talking to other companies, questioning if he wants to do this any more, etc.

I’ve always thought it likely the dude would leave when his deal is up. He’s not a versatile enough guy to change up his style. He’s also a pretty bitter dude when it comes to wrestling. It wouldn’t have shocked me at all to see him take $8 million, fuck around for four years, then retire and play video games and drag logs in Canada and make documentaries about how great he is. It’s only been recently, with the arrival of threats like CM Punk and Bryan Danielson, and New Japan getting into bed with AEW that I’ve really considered the possibility Omega could take a spot in WWE. The AEW video game turning into a complete disaster under his watch only compounds matters.

At this rate, I’d be pretty surprised if Omega re-signs with AEW. I think his injury stuff is largely bullshit. A bit of a Shawn Michaels trick.
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Old 07-08-2022, 03:41 PM   #10409
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This is a dude who lied to New Japan about joining AEW right up to the Tokyo Dome in 2019. He then talked about how little their dicks were when it came to offers. He also fucked with Delirious and Cornette on his way out of ROH. This guy is not an honest or genuine person. He was always going to chew up AEW if things didn’t go his way.
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Old 07-08-2022, 03:45 PM   #10410
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Do not be surprised at all if AJ Styles vs. Kenny Omega is on the WrestleMania 39 card.
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Old 07-08-2022, 03:52 PM   #10411
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He signed a 4-year contract when the company started, so it would be coming due by the end of January 2023.

I genuinely am starting to wonder if he's actually going to return, and it has nothing to do with him wanting to change companies or anything. He's obviously had a lot of physical issues and he's realizing he's never gonna be able to heal to the full extent he might've wanted, but then you also have shit like vertigo. Wrestling with vertigo has to suuuuuuuuuck.

I dunno what else he'd do with his time or how much he's banked between NJPW and AEW over the years but I wonder if there's a point where he's just not wanting to put his body through it again. He really should scale his style back upon return but not sure he knows how to do that.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. He might be done putting his body through all the physical brutality of wrestling for now and just stay behind the scenes and be able to actually focus a little bit on his personal life. And of course there is always the possibility of him getting back into the ring again in the future and maybe "scaling his style back" a little bit as you said which might be easier to do after a lengthy period of not wrestling.
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Old 07-08-2022, 04:33 PM   #10412
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Omega can make a good living wrestling a handful of times a year. I think the bath with Ospreay will happen at some point. Plus whatever other dream matches he has left in him.
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Old 07-08-2022, 04:38 PM   #10413
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Behind the scenes is…probably not the place for him. Creatively, his role with the women was largely panned. Even the most hardcore AEW fan admits that their women’s division sucks. And his work on the video game literally chased the lead developer to the competition and has allegedly run up a MASSIVE deficit for the company.

I don’t think he’ll be back for a pay cut either. So is he even worth keeping if he wants to agent or scout talent? And who can trust him on that? His early picks are all leaving the promotion. Joey Janela, Alan Angels, etc.
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Old 07-08-2022, 04:44 PM   #10414
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I didn’t watch the show: Was there any mention of him at Forbidden Door? It would be interesting. It was funny that Kota Ibushi’s issues with New Japan popped up around the same time as the build to the show. He and Kenny are very close. There could be some sort of hurt feelings there. It wouldn’t shock me if BOTH Omega and Ibushi walk away from their respective companies when their deals are up.

It wouldn’t be totally shocking to see The Golden Lovers show up in DDT. Maybe Omega also doubles as a producer of sorts for Tokyo Joshi Pro or something like that.
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Old 07-08-2022, 11:44 PM   #10415
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Old 07-09-2022, 02:58 AM   #10417
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That’s not quite how they’re playing it out though. He’s been explicit in that he “rode Jungle Boy’s coat-tails” to cash in easy money for as long as possible and that times up. It’s why they brought Matt Hardy into his orbit this week because he’d been doing the same thing.
And hes now doing the same to Luchasaurus. Simple but effective story line being played out by a guy who is real strong on the mic. Makes even more sense in an AEW context where they often talk to money as a motivator.
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Old 07-09-2022, 02:13 PM   #10418
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Christian rode Jungle Boy’s coattails to an impact world title run, a main event at their biggest ppv to date to that point, and a tag title run. And bailed immediately after it was over to try and corrupt the monster of the group. It’s been a great story thus far and I have little doubt Jungle Boy will get his revenge probably at All Out. Idk how anybody couldn’t follow what has been a simple and effective story. Unless of course you just don’t watch but for some reason incessantly post and complain about the product.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:58 PM   #10419
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Old 07-11-2022, 02:30 PM   #10420
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Marko Stunt has come out with some harsh comments on AEW. Basically said he was ghosted by Tony Khan and couldn’t get a straight answer on what was going on with his contract.

It’s funny to see AEW apologists take the Cornette position and say “It’s Marko Stunt! Who cares? He sucks and shouldn’t have been in wrestling anyway!” Yeah, he was a terrible hire. It doesn’t make Tony Khan ghosting him ok.
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2 wins in a row is "RED HOT" lol! Tiny is such a Toolbag
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Old 07-12-2022, 02:21 AM   #10424
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The only reasonable way for this to end is like this:

Orange does his hands in his pockets schtick. Wardlow kicks him in the stomach and powerbombs him eleventy times and pins him. Worst thing they can do is make this competitive.
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Old 07-12-2022, 03:46 AM   #10425
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Agreed but they’re going to
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Old 07-12-2022, 09:59 AM   #10426
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The problem is OC is so over, Wardlow squashing him likely ends up getting Wardlow heat when he's supposed to be a hot babyface.

So they've booked themselves into a corner with this.
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Old 07-12-2022, 10:01 AM   #10427
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2 wins in a row is "RED HOT" lol! Tiny is such a Toolbag

It's the NBA Jam rule of three in a row.




1) nothing
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3) "He's on FIRE!!!!!!!"
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Old 07-12-2022, 10:04 AM   #10428
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Mind you, I don't mind OC having competitive matches most of the time. He's one of my faves. Crowds love him. But Wardlow's a difference beast.

If the match is competitive, OC needs to come right out of the hate trying for flash pins or whatever and establish out of the gate that he's trying. Because even I have a tough time suspending my disbelief that Wardlow wouldn't just truck him if he was in his normal slacker mode to start the match.
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Old 07-12-2022, 10:06 AM   #10429
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Old 07-12-2022, 10:08 AM   #10430
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Actual spot I could see opening the match: OC starts with his hands in his pockets, Wardlow immediately goes for a Powerbomb, OC ends up managing to roll out of it over the top, hands in pockets the whole time

Surely if they're gonna have an actual match he's gonna have to try to out-quick Wardlow as it's his only chance.
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Old 07-12-2022, 12:55 PM   #10431
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This is a dude who lied to New Japan about joining AEW right up to the Tokyo Dome in 2019. He then talked about how little their dicks were when it came to offers. He also fucked with Delirious and Cornette on his way out of ROH. This guy is not an honest or genuine person. He was always going to chew up AEW if things didn’t go his way.
I have also never seen him take responsibility for anything. Like, somehow he isn't in charge of folks wrestling at a show he was promoting. The whole Women's Division only getting one segment (not counting Baker). The exploding ring fiasco. Almost killing Impact. Not putting over anyone in Impact or AAA.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:55 PM   #10432
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I have also never seen him take responsibility for anything. Like, somehow he isn't in charge of folks wrestling at a show he was promoting. The whole Women's Division only getting one segment (not counting Baker). The exploding ring fiasco. Almost killing Impact. Not putting over anyone in Impact or AAA.
Everything perceived as good comes from him, anything rejected is someone else.
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Old 07-13-2022, 04:07 PM   #10434
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Somethings going on with Keithly again. He posted some tweet about getting bad news and wishing his brothers well in the match night regardless of the outcome. Mentioned something about being gone again. TK says he is still in the match tonight, so I dunno what's going on here. Hope he's OK.
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Somethings going on with Keithly again. He posted some tweet about getting bad news and wishing his brothers well in the match night regardless of the outcome. Mentioned something about being gone again. TK says he is still in the match tonight, so I dunno what's going on here. Hope he's OK.
Don’t wish bad on the guy, but I hope he goes and sorts his shit out. He’s not very good but he thinks he’s amazing.
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Old 07-13-2022, 06:39 PM   #10437
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Keith Lee is pretty good. Especially by today’s standards.
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Old 07-13-2022, 10:26 PM   #10438
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I'm sure this has been brought up but I noticed on Rampage the other day that the ROH World Champion is shorter than Tony Schiavone. This episode was the first time I'd seen the champion in any setting and it did not leave a good impression.

I know it's not a massive deal to have smaller champions anymore but damn.
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Old 07-13-2022, 11:00 PM   #10439
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Daniel Bryan is smaller.

Gresham is fun size.
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They keep Gresham around so someone can be shorter than Adam Cole.
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