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Old 05-15-2019, 07:25 PM   #1041
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B/R confirmed it's $50.

They just priced out a lot of people who were looking forward to this show for months. Not a good look.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:32 PM   #1042
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Also 95% of the viewers will be using B/R for the first time so it’s $50 and hoping the server can hold up.

I wish the event well but that price point is unjustifiable.
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People's problem with sports entertainment was never the sports part. Why would you ever think that? You're a moron.
It seems you answered your own question.
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Old 05-15-2019, 07:42 PM   #1044
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It seems you answered your own question.
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Randy Orton wins 100% of his matches with an RKO. Knowing that percentage doesn't really make wrestling anymore interesting.

I don't get why this aspect is supposed to be innovative for AEW.
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:51 PM   #1047
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Randy Orton wins 100% of his matches with an RKO. Knowing that percentage doesn't really make wrestling anymore interesting.

I don't get why this aspect is supposed to be innovative for AEW.
It's about the presentation. There's no guaranteeing that it works, but it's the kind of analysis that goes into other sports, so it's meant to establish a 'legitimate' feel. That, by itself, isn't a particularly huge deal. But, as one moving part of an entire company vision and mission, it's an interesting idea.
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:52 PM   #1048
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Plus, you're oversimplifying what they'll do. Which is somewhat dishonest.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:01 PM   #1049
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Plus, you're oversimplifying what they'll do. Which is somewhat dishonest.
I am not trying to, that is just how I understand it. I'm not trying to knock it, maybe it will end up being interesting, but having analytics in wrestling doesn't really excite me.
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It’s an opportunity for the company as a whole to be more creative with their finishes.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:12 PM   #1051
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It also makes kicking out of a finisher more interesting. If Randy hits the RKO and wins 100% of the time, the guy that eventually kicks out will make it mean something. Unlike when Roman kicked out of 23 F5s at Mania.

As far as the sports aspect goes, watching old matches from the AWA and NWA are refreshing because they're presented and called like an actual sporting event as opposed to the grand and campy spectacle of wwe. Both are fine, but presenting their product as a sport is a way AEW can differentiate itself as a true alternative.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:12 PM   #1052
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B/R confirmed it's $50.

They just priced out a lot of people who were looking forward to this show for months. Not a good look.
Indeed it is. Thankfully I'll be splitting it with my buddy. But jeez that's a big ask for a company trying to build good will
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:31 PM   #1053
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Randy Orton wins 100% of his matches with an RKO. Knowing that percentage doesn't really make wrestling anymore interesting.

I don't get why this aspect is supposed to be innovative for AEW.
Assuming they handle it correctly, it would fix the issue of finishers being devalued and spammed that's been a problem in WWE for years.

In theory, signature moves would get a stronger emphasis since those can be spammed without hurting the finisher (ex. Omega wearing down opponents with the V-Trigger).

Also benefits submission-based finishers a lot since your no longer building them to just be broken once and then be treated as an afterthought afterwards. WWE's habit with submissions is to just treat them as simple throw-away spots and something that gets constantly broken unless your name was Cena.
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Old 05-15-2019, 09:50 PM   #1054
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Randy Orton wins 100% of his matches with an RKO. Knowing that percentage doesn't really make wrestling anymore interesting.

I don't get why this aspect is supposed to be innovative for AEW.
Randy Orton winning 100% of his matches with an RKO might not matter. If you know that he wins 100% of the time he hits it though, suddenly every “almost” RKO is an edge of your seat moment. I don’t think the idea is to have useless stats for stat nerds. It’s to build stories within matches.
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John McMullen of TSN is reporting that TNT will be covering the production costs of AEW's weekly series, that the series will fall under the entertainment banner for WarnerMedia but presented as a sports property and that currently, there are no rights fees but that the two sides will share in ad revenue with AEW getting a great deal in that regard. McMullen pointed out that a deal of this nature is unprecedented for a start-up and that it took WWE 35 years before they hit the level of money they make today off TV rights. I'd credit it getting done to Tony Khan's relationship with WarnerMedia.
So basically something similar to what the XFL got with the ability to turn into a normal tv deal after a few years.
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B/R confirmed it's $50.

They just priced out a lot of people who were looking forward to this show for months. Not a good look.
It's $5 less than what Directv wants for MITB which makes no sense itself and word is cable will be $10 more than B/R so it'd cost more than WWE for something Directv is already charging 5.5x more than you pay for the network. All in was $39.95 on fitetv
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Randy Orton winning 100% of his matches with an RKO might not matter. If you know that he wins 100% of the time he hits it though, suddenly every “almost” RKO is an edge of your seat moment. I don’t think the idea is to have useless stats for stat nerds. It’s to build stories within matches.
This. It was like when Austin used to hit the stunner. Shit was over. And every time he went for the boot to the gut, you got that anxious feeling that the end was near. It meant something.

If Austin was around nowadays, he'd have to hit 2 or 3 stunners a night to win a big match. And not just at Mania, where it makes sense to throw in a kick out. But every ppv. Guys would he kicking out at TLC.
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Randy Orton winning 100% of his matches with an RKO might not matter. If you know that he wins 100% of the time he hits it though, suddenly every “almost” RKO is an edge of your seat moment. I don’t think the idea is to have useless stats for stat nerds. It’s to build stories within matches.
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This. It was like when Austin used to hit the stunner. Shit was over. And every time he went for the boot to the gut, you got that anxious feeling that the end was near. It meant something.

If Austin was around nowadays, he'd have to hit 2 or 3 stunners a night to win a big match. And not just at Mania, where it makes sense to throw in a kick out. But every ppv. Guys would he kicking out at TLC.
Tangentially related; it was one of the reasons why the end of Brock Lesnar vs Samoa Joe was so "bad".

In truth, it really wasn't a bad finish... until you consider that the problem goes back to all the matches WWE had with 800 spammed finishers. And now, suddenly, one F5 puts out the guy who was built to be this badass threat in the center of the ring for a clean pin? In fact, Joe should have been one of the few guys who could take multiple F5s given how he was built to that point. Even if he had still lost, he took everything the champ had to give to get that victory. Instead, you basically just told everyone this guy was a sack of shit and didn't deserve to be there. Because they didn't bother protecting finishers up to that point, a match where it was done right buried the guy doing the job.

And that's the issue with wins and losses. The idea that wins and losses "mean nothing" doesn't quite mean what WWE tries to make it sound like. I'm not 100% behind the stat-tracking thing AEW wants to try, primarily because anyone who has done this before always eventually does away with it... but at the same time, we prob'ly won't get shit like hotshotting the brown guy for an India tour after telling everyone for years through actions that he wasn't worth a damn, or jobbing your next big thing into oblivion but paradoxically expecting him to stay over with the fans. People tend not to back losers unless there is something charming or redeeming about it... and even that is a rarity.
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UK are only being charged the equivalent of about $20 USD

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If that is the case just do the streaming service alone...
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I will still probably order the ppv this time but I am not forking out $50 each ppv they have unless they only have 1 or 2 a year.
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:41 PM   #1064
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Old 05-16-2019, 02:59 PM   #1066
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Also, they couldn't get a picture of Jerry Lynn? lol
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Half the people on that roster look like "right wankers". Less excited for it now.
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:27 PM   #1069
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I think MJF, Joey Janella, Hangman Page all could be 'breakout stars'
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Old 05-16-2019, 03:59 PM   #1070
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Hangman Page looks like a million bucks in his pic
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:14 PM   #1071
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Hey Hey Conrad Thompson is on the roster :0
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Looks like one of the best pics.... don't like the rope though.... just imagining him coming out with a rope in a noose and continually saying "I'm the hangman!"
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:58 PM   #1073
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According to the Observer, seems the goal for AEW is to be able to hit in the 400k-500k range for viewers during its first year since TNT would be very happy with those numbers.

TNT would also be very happy if AEW leads to a sizeable growth for their streaming service similar to ESPN's plans with UFC.
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Old 05-16-2019, 05:21 PM   #1074
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That streaming growth ain't happening if PPVs stay $50
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Earl Hebner knocking on the door of 70 and still reffing.
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Old 05-16-2019, 07:39 PM   #1076
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Earl Hebner isn't a great ref at this point. I was hoping for Brian Hebner, Jimmy Korderas and Jack Doan from WWE memory lane. Katie Hebner for a women's ref. Rick Knox was obviously going to be signed. Jerry Lynn could have done his "Whole Refin' Show" thing and you could have given James Maritato another shot (not sure if he dropped out of WWE because he couldn't do the job though).

Don't really want to see old man Hebner getting in the way anymore.
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Conrad Thompson is listed as part of the broadcast team. Interesting.
I could be wrong, but I think he is part of the broadcast team the way Mean Gene was, in that broadcast team is all talking positions, not just guys at the broadcast table.

He will probably be a backstage interviewer.
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Earl Hebner isn't a great ref at this point. I was hoping for Brian Hebner, Jimmy Korderas and Jack Doan from WWE memory lane. Katie Hebner for a women's ref. Rick Knox was obviously going to be signed. Jerry Lynn could have done his "Whole Refin' Show" thing and you could have given James Maritato another shot (not sure if he dropped out of WWE because he couldn't do the job though).

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They should hire referee Brad Maddox!
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