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Old 09-27-2022, 04:38 PM   #11561
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Dude he literally communicated that he wanted out of his deal! Lmfao
I was trying to remember if I explicitly saw that or not. If he did, he’s a muppet. But even if he didn’t, going online and vaguebooking about how miserable you are is you inviting these conclusions. You can’t blame fans for picking up what you’re putting down. I’ve got no sympathy for the guy.
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Old 09-27-2022, 04:40 PM   #11562
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Where are all the morality stans who LOVED wrestlers escaping WWE Prison to the safety of AEW Freedom now?
This is the hypocrisy I’ve been annoyed at from the start. Fair enough people have their biases, but the mental gymnastics to defend this company are insane.
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Old 09-27-2022, 04:41 PM   #11563
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Where are all the morality stans who LOVED wrestlers escaping WWE Prison to the safety of AEW Freedom now?
yeah after being screwed around in wwe you would figure they would only sign 2 year deals that was just greed to sign 5 year deals. i liked the ones who did 6 month deals with impact that worked for all parties
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Old 09-27-2022, 07:52 PM   #11564
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yeah after being screwed around in wwe you would figure they would only sign 2 year deals that was just greed to sign 5 year deals. i liked the ones who did 6 month deals with impact that worked for all parties
Their contracts are certainly all over the place. Giving Bobby Fish a 1 year contract, but then giving Kyle O'Reilly a 5 year deal, it is weird. Leo Rush's contract "expired" after what, 4 months? Then there have been reports that Adam Cole has a six year deal, with Tiny having a 7th year option.

This would suggest the wrestlers are telling Tiny how long they want their contracts to be, because otherwise Tiny is almost randomly offering different contract lengths based on who the fuck knows lol
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:01 PM   #11565
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The Lio Rush thing was weird. It’s possible that he was signed for a temporary thing because of his past. It’s also possible that he got fired, but you’d think we’d hear about that.

Either way, it’s still ridiculous you have a job you can’t quit. I understand why you don’t just let top guys go. At the same time, you can make your company a place people actually want to work.

But it’s funny to see the turn this has taken.
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:04 PM   #11566
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I’m still thinking the end of AEW might be Tony Khan having a mental breakdown and his dad just pulling the plug because it’s broken his son.

It’s kind of weird if Black and Buddy Matthews don’t want out.

Nobody:

Tony Khan: NO ONE IS LEAVING!
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:05 PM   #11567
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The Lio Rush thing was weird. It’s possible that he was signed for a temporary thing because of his past. It’s also possible that he got fired, but you’d think we’d hear about that.

Either way, it’s still ridiculous you have a job you can’t quit. I understand why you don’t just let top guys go. At the same time, you can make your company a place people actually want to work.

But it’s funny to see the turn this has taken.
Oh he 100% got fired. Tiny made him publically apologize AND put Tony over, paid him for another 6 weeks, then he was gone. Rush never ever got back on TV after the whole Big Swole mess
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:06 PM   #11568
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I wonder why we haven’t heard anything? Actually, is Lio Rush still alive to talk?
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:14 PM   #11569
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Have they actually booked Jon Moxley vs. Juice Robinson for Dynamite? Lol why?
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:32 PM   #11570
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Have they actually booked Jon Moxley vs. Juice Robinson for Dynamite? Lol why?
Because bro, Tiny implies it in his copy on Instagram!
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Old 09-27-2022, 08:52 PM   #11571
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This fucking company.
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Old 09-27-2022, 09:26 PM   #11572
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This episode reeks of absolute filler.
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Old 09-27-2022, 10:17 PM   #11573
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Bandido and Juice on TV, Miro in catering
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Old 09-27-2022, 10:18 PM   #11574
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"I have way too many wrestlers and not enough TV time....hmmmm.....let me book guys from other promotions, that'll fix it!"
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Old 09-27-2022, 10:22 PM   #11575
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The thing with Miro is, there is clearly something there. I absolutely hate the way they have used him. I really have only liked him when he was the character that faced Cena at Mania. I'd really like Tony to just book him like Vader, have the agents to teach him a move set similar to Vader but updated, and have him be the new Bull.
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Old 09-27-2022, 10:30 PM   #11576
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I know. Honestly it would have been much cooler to just have Mox face Cash or Dax or even both in some kind of championship qualifier.

Or maybe eventually he could get a match against Ethan Page backed by MJF.

Or Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy costs him the match.

Or Keith Lee and Strickland interferes.

Or Starks and Hobbs interferes.

It goes on. They should stop with the NJPW guys, not that many people really care.
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Old 09-27-2022, 11:03 PM   #11577
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Mox and Juice have really good chemistry, I’ve enjoyed their NJPW matches

I can’t imagine Jericho and Bandido not being good

As a fan who wants to see matches he’ll enjoy? I’m happy.

As a fan trying to peek behind the curtain? I’m perplexed at Khan’s failure to utilize his actual roster.
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Old 09-28-2022, 12:14 AM   #11578
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The thing with Miro is, there is clearly something there. I absolutely hate the way they have used him. I really have only liked him when he was the character that faced Cena at Mania. I'd really like Tony to just book him like Vader, have the agents to teach him a move set similar to Vader but updated, and have him be the new Bull.
Miro should be in a different promotion. He’s wasted so badly there and it makes everyone look bad.
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Old 09-28-2022, 12:19 AM   #11579
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I don’t understand how you haven’t done Wardlow vs. Miro for the TNT Title. It’s low-hanging fruit.
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Old 09-28-2022, 02:50 AM   #11580
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Lol I just watched the Malakai Black video. I hope the guy gets his shit together, but what a muppet.

- It starts with him breathing heavily and acting like he doesn’t know what to say. You started the video, dude. What dramatic nonsense lol.

- He doesn’t really know how quotation marks work. I get English is not his primary language, but you can’t get mad at people for not knowing what you mean when you are not communicating properly. This is a situation where you go “Sorry all, I wasn’t clear.” You don’t rip people because they didn’t immediately pick up that you were talking in code.

- He acts like everything is so clear and I’m still confused at the end of his video.

- He seems to have this idea that everyone hangs onto every word he says publicly. I get the feeling he would be a nightmare to deal with backstage. Maybe not in a raging asshole sort of way, but I think the guy has this tinge of narcissism to him.

Wrestlers who give this much about themselves away make it just that little bit harder to support them. Getting into fights with the internet about your lack of clarity and making everything so public is just asking for people to eye-roll you for the rest of your career.

It’s been pointed out that he’s arguing with Tony Khan on the length of his contract too. TK himself said that Black has almost 5 years left on his AEW deal and Black is saying that his deal us never been for 5 years. It’s possible that TK was exaggerating or talking about optional years or whatever, but it’s a messy look when the boss says one thing and you’re saying another.
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Old 09-28-2022, 02:55 AM   #11581
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That roster needs a real cleanse, and honestly a guy like Malakai Black is probably a logical choice to cut since you don’t seem to have plans for him, he’s probably expensive and his head seems all over the place.
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Old 09-28-2022, 02:57 AM   #11582
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It’s probably easier to do a “who are you actually going to keep?” list than a cutting list. So, so bloated.
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Just get rid of the whole House of Black minus Julia Hart, pls.
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Old 09-28-2022, 09:17 AM   #11584
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For Malakai's sake I hope he ends up in WWE because HHH seems to want to use him.
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Seems that Tony isn't releasing Malakai and Buddy.
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Seems that Tony isn't releasing Malakai and Buddy.
Classic Vince, he is such an evil son of a bi... oh it's Tony? He is such a good guy, it is not like he forced them to sign those contracts. LOVE AEW!
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They signed under their own free will. Im consistent on this topic
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lol because there's no such thing as exploitative, bad-faith contracts where people are being leveraged. Not saying this is the case here, but give me a break with your nonsense.
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Great point as always newstead. And while we're at it what about slavery??
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Once Malakai should’ve never lost to Cody. They should’ve kept building him up as this awesome silent ass kicker, and gotten him to main event heel status by now.

Miro got hurt, then took time off for side projects, but his usage since dropping the TNT title when healthy has been abysmal. And it’s a damn shame.

The NJPW stuff was cute at first before Tony went out and signed a bunch of big names. Now it’s just annoying. And unneeded.
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While a wrestling company is under no legal obligation to release a talent who asks for it, I think the bigger thing is...if you're going to keep them, what will you do to address the concerns that led to asking for the release to begin with?

In the case of Brodie Lee, when he publicly asked for his release they sent him home, told him they had no plans to release him but no plans to use him either, and he waited at home for months and months to be given something to do. They finally called him 6 months later for what ended up being like a 3 week angle and then it was back to waiting months before they actually let him go.

Mustafa Ali was also sent home for months after publicly asking to be let go, seemingly with no communication with the office. He finally got brought back but, similarly, his angle ended just as soon as he started and he's back to passive aggressively tweeting about catering and Main Event.

We don't know what discussions were had with Malakai and Buddy but it sounds they've agreed to give them time off to handle some personal matters. But what happens when they come back? Will they actually be booked in a matter that they're happy with? Or will it be the same stop-start shit they've been doing all year where we see them wrestle once a month?

Not every talent is going to be happy. That's the nature of the beast. It's fine to deny a release if you feel you can smooth things over and patch things up. But if you just go right back to barely using them then yeah, it starts to make the company look petty.
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I don’t think there should be a job you can’t quit. A contract is useful for stipulating that if I paint your fence, I get paid (x). But if I don’t paint your fence? I don’t get (x). Likewise, if you pay (x), it’s reasonable to expect a painted fence. If talent don’t want to be paid (x), get someone else to paint the fence.

I understand why these companies do it. They don’t want to set that precedent. But the underlying issue here is bad morale. The solution is to foster a workplace that the talent actually wants to be in. If they’re going to jump the gun and prove themselves unreliable, let them go and make life difficult for someone else. But if they’re unhappy for valid reasons, broken promises, a shift in focus, etc. — it’s just kicking the bucket down the road to keep them locked in.
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I have no problem with the practice of keeping people to their contracts.

I have a problem with the hypocrisy of AEW doing it after spending 3 years taking every potshot available at WWE, only to do exactly what WWE does.

I have a problem with fans who cried murder for WWE not releasing people like Ali, but now fuck Malakai Black for wanting to go work with his wife and old boss, that traitor!
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Contract doesnt stipulate they cant quit. Just obligations they must meet if they fail or choose to not keep their word. Contacts are promises. Breaking them are lies. There was a time when men knew what honor was enough to not so routinely make liars of themselves.

These contracts dont keep a man from quitting. By all rights quit. But if you fail to honor your word, as noted in writing, here's what you have to do to make it right.

In business its usually pay a fee to compensate them for the time onvested in you and an agreement that you wont use your time at the company to strengthen their direct competition. This is completely standard.

The company is compelled by the terms too of course. They cant not pay you without subjecting themselves to penalties the courts will enforce as well. In the meantime youre free to work just not for the explicitly agreed upon terms which mind you are specific. You arent barred from general work.

There's nothing immoral about the practice or enforcing the agreed upon terms. If Kahn wants to hold Black to his agreement Kahn is the moral actor. Some of yall are untrustworthy and it shows.
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lmfao do you think you're in Lord of the Rings or something?

Anyways, remember when Vince McMahon told Bret Hart he was going to breach his contract in 1997? Funny that you never talk that, but then again, you're a simp for grotesque capitalist assholes.
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I have no problem with the practice of keeping people to their contracts.

I have a problem with the hypocrisy of AEW doing it after spending 3 years taking every potshot available at WWE, only to do exactly what WWE does.

I have a problem with fans who cried murder for WWE not releasing people like Ali, but now fuck Malakai Black for wanting to go work with his wife and old boss, that traitor!
The hypocrisy from AEW fanboys is delicious. Expected, but delicious.
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