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Old 09-30-2022, 06:08 PM   #11641
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Old 09-30-2022, 06:09 PM   #11642
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AEW has always sucked. I can’t confirm if it’s gotten worse or not, but coasting on not being WWE was always going to wear thin at some point.
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Old 09-30-2022, 06:11 PM   #11643
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Run whatever markets you want. The same fans who liked this shit then like it now — well, even less. It’s a band-aid on the problem of them sucking.
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Old 09-30-2022, 06:19 PM   #11644
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Just a reminder: They pulled PAC vs. Page from their first show because they didn’t know how to get around PAC being champion of a Japanese indy promotion. Their first match was a Battle Royal that featured Glacier competing for a World Title shot.

They had Adam Page and Kip Sabian go 20 minutes on PPV and had a three-way match for a shot at getting a bye in a tournament (what?). They also had Street Fighter moves sold in the main event of a show. And Marko Stunt open one. This is all before they got to television.

They are arrogant assholes who do not care about insulting the intelligence or sensibilities of the viewer.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:18 PM   #11645
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lol Dynamite getting a 15 minute overrun next week. Queue the hype machine.

Also wtf we just had Grand Slam and now its already Battle of the Belts Rampage next week. Ridiculous.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:43 PM   #11646
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They hit the “special shows” a lot because they’re desperate.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:52 PM   #11647
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lol Dynamite getting a 15 minute overrun next week. Queue the hype machine.

Also wtf we just had Grand Slam and now its already Battle of the Belts Rampage next week. Ridiculous.
Hornswoggle debuts in the biggest moment in Dynamite history!
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:54 PM   #11648
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Hornswoggle debuts in the biggest moment in Dynamite history!
Swoggle’s actually already debuted in AEW.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:14 PM   #11650
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Battle of the belts is a weak show and they killed it by not running Page v Danielson on it the first time to make it feel important.

AEW ignoring the entire west coast is why their attendance sucks. They’ve had one California show. You’d think, like Vito said, they’d just do a tour of the area. California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, etc.

You can’t create demand for your product if your product is regularly and routinely available.

Also, Tony needs a booking team. Identify the guys you want featured, the guys you want elevated, and the guys who do the jobs and let the coaches help line up the stories.

Feels like the minute Page won the world title, the long term booking took a shit. There wasn’t any clear next in line champion, so they did a face v face angle to get the belt to Punk, when in reality it should’ve been MJF being next in line followed by his story with Punk. Hindsight is 50/50 I know but Punk’s first title win should’ve been in Chicago 1 year after he returned.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:40 PM   #11651
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Battle of the belts is a weak show and they killed it by not running Page v Danielson on it the first time to make it feel important.

AEW ignoring the entire west coast is why their attendance sucks. They’ve had one California show. You’d think, like Vito said, they’d just do a tour of the area. California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, etc.

You can’t create demand for your product if your product is regularly and routinely available.

Also, Tony needs a booking team. Identify the guys you want featured, the guys you want elevated, and the guys who do the jobs and let the coaches help line up the stories.

Feels like the minute Page won the world title, the long term booking took a shit. There wasn’t any clear next in line champion, so they did a face v face angle to get the belt to Punk, when in reality it should’ve been MJF being next in line followed by his story with Punk. Hindsight is 50/50 I know but Punk’s first title win should’ve been in Chicago 1 year after he returned.
Punk's 1st title win should have come before he got embarrassed in UFC. Yes I know AEW wasn't around then, but after UFC Punk should have never been given a top championship.
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I never thought Punk needed the belt. Thought it suited Danielson more. Punk was coming back because a spark had been re-ignited. I bought him having matches with guys like Darby Allin and MJF to take them to the next level. Danielson was already a main event level wrestler. He should have come to AEW for the gold.
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Danielson should have beaten Omega. Page could have gone to draws with him and the like.
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People can rip on Jericho being ROH champ all they want, but that title hasn't been this interesting in over a decade.
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It hasn’t been this interesting, but it isn’t that interesting.
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PAC vs Trent for the All Atlantic Championship at Battle of the Belts. Game changer.
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Anybody remember Miro? What ever happened to that guy?
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Why? Are they even trying with that slot?
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Long-term storytelling.
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Old 10-01-2022, 07:10 PM   #11660
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lol Andrade putting his AEW career on the line vs Vances mask at Battle of the Belts.

What career, Andrade? Does he lose the freedom to stand around in catering if he loses or something?
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I’ve got a trivia question for you. What connects:

* Alex Reynolds
* Alex Shelley
* Andrade El Idolo
* Brody King
* Buddy Matthews
* Cash Wheeler
* Chris Sabin
* CM Punk
* Dante Martin
* Darby Allin
* Dax Harwood
* Hikaru Shida
* Jade Cargill
* Jamie Hayter
* John Silver
* Kenny Omega
* Malakai Black
* Matt Jackson
* Miro
* Nick Jackson
* Rush
* Sting

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lol Andrade putting his AEW career on the line vs Vances mask at Battle of the Belts.

What career, Andrade? Does he lose the freedom to stand around in catering if he loses or something?
I hope Andrade loses and does a celebratory dance on his way out.
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I’ve got a trivia question for you. What connects:

* Alex Reynolds
* Alex Shelley
* Andrade El Idolo
* Brody King
* Buddy Matthews
* Cash Wheeler
* Chris Sabin
* CM Punk
* Dante Martin
* Darby Allin
* Dax Harwood
* Hikaru Shida
* Jade Cargill
* Jamie Hayter
* John Silver
* Kenny Omega
* Malakai Black
* Matt Jackson
* Miro
* Nick Jackson
* Rush
* Sting
You can push this list out to include:

* Angelo Parker
* Eddie Kingston
* Hook
* Kip Sabian
* Ortiz
* Ruby Soho
* Tomohiro Ishii
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AEW lost their TV deal in Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America and South America (except for Brazil).
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AEW lost their TV deal in Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America and South America (except for Brazil).
Not just a random TV network either, it was cancelled due to low ratings by the owner of the Latin American channel Space, Space of course being owned by...

DUN DUN DUNNNNN Warner Brothers Discovery

The same company that is going to give Tiny a 400% increase in TV Rights because, they will SHUT UP!
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:43 PM   #11666
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To be fair, these auxiliary deals could be conducted completely independently. Cutting AEW in Latin American countries could be a logical insular move. But it’s crazy how people are trying to push this to the side like it isn’t a bad thing, or that it isn’t indicative of AEW’s declining (or just consistently too low) popularity. This thing ain’t hot sauce.
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Old 10-01-2022, 09:44 PM   #11667
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The latest tactic seems to be attacking people who are reporting this with projections of doomsaying and a penchant for conspiracies.

“Ooh, the sky is falling! AEW is going to be dead guys! Warner Bros Discovery hates AEW! You read it here first!”

I’m glad those voices have largely been silenced on here, because that’s disingenuous.
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I hope Andrade loses and does a celebratory dance on his way out.
I hope he makes another reference to Kenny Omega playing with kids in Japan.
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I hope he makes another reference to Kenny Omega playing with kids in Japan.
Did he really? One of the easiest ways to get heat in AEW is to point out things The Elite have done.
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Add Andrade to the list of talent that is main event level when he wants to sign with AEW but is an overrated hack when he wants out.
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Did he really? One of the easiest ways to get heat in AEW is to point out things The Elite have done.
He was hyping his AAA title shot against Omega when he made the remark. It was quickly deleted and he apologized. But his AEW push mysteriously ended around that time. And when the match came, Omega convinced Tony that he shouldn't lose two high profile matches in a row, despite one of them being on a show most Americans have never heard of.
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He was hyping his AAA title shot against Omega when he made the remark. It was quickly deleted and he apologized. But his AEW push mysteriously ended around that time. And when the match came, Omega convinced Tony that he shouldn't lose two high profile matches in a row, despite one of them being on a show most Americans have never heard of.
Well that doesn’t surprise me. Insidious bastards that lot.
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Old 10-02-2022, 04:44 PM   #11673
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It’s unusual to wake up in the morning without discovering that someone in AEW has made an ass of themselves.
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Old 10-02-2022, 04:47 PM   #11674
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Wait a minute: Preston Vance just dedicated a match he is going to lose to Brodie Lee.
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And Jericho is doing press, which is always embarrassing.
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Old 10-02-2022, 05:10 PM   #11676
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Remember when we all respected Jericho? I don't think you can take away from his body of work at all--IMO he's earned his status. But dear god what a fucking goof.
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I think he’s tarnishing his rep slightly. It’s crazy what the internet thinking you’re a good wrestler will do for excuse-making. His 2008 work was really good. I don’t think he can damage that. Stuff like 1998 Jericho is becoming harder for me to go back and enjoy because it’s just so self-indulgent and I can see where it’s leading.

There’s talent there, but he’s an overrated blow-hard that needed to cling to wrestling because he couldn’t get into the mainstream.
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Say what you want about Jericho, but in terms of main eventing Wrestlemania...

Jericho - 1
Phil - 0

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Yeah, but that main event was a dud. And we used to look the other way on Jericho’s involvement in it, but he did kind of stink out the joint for a long time there.
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Wasn't a huge fan of face Y2J Jericho.... Heel Jericho has always been great...
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