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Old 10-22-2022, 07:01 PM   #12001
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Punk did always strike me as a groomer
Lol. I am pretty sure that most of those who Lockport Phil screws around with are of age. Unlike other folks in AEW...
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Punk has literally never made anybody better
For real. I'm sitting here trying to figure out who he has ever actually helped and I'm drawing a blank.
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Old 10-22-2022, 07:31 PM   #12004
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And suggesting there are still things left for him to do....like what, cut the same old "everyones out to get me and hold me down and im not having it because im here for the fans!" promo he always cuts because it's literally his only promo? Or maybe he can put on a clinic on how to be out of shape and constantly botch moves.

There is nothing to be gained by anyone from having him on board at this point. Popping ratings for 2 weeks is not a draw, and even if you somehow consider those 2 weeks of an extra 200k people to be a good thing, that is not nearly worth having to deal with the baggage he brings with him everywhere he goes.

The only place Punk needs to be at this point is at home being the overrated bitter egomaniac he is and has always been.
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Lol. I am pretty sure that most of those who Lockport Phil screws around with are of age. Unlike other folks in AEW...
Yeah, there are real concerns to be had…

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For real. I'm sitting here trying to figure out who he has ever actually helped and I'm drawing a blank.
Will Hobbs, Darby Allin, FTR, MJF, Wardlow. Funnily enough their booking turns to shit when it turns out they are Punk guys.
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Who have The Elite actually put over? Not lost to, actually put over.
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Old 10-22-2022, 08:02 PM   #12007
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And suggesting there are still things left for him to do....like what, cut the same old "everyones out to get me and hold me down and im not having it because im here for the fans!" promo he always cuts because it's literally his only promo? Or maybe he can put on a clinic on how to be out of shape and constantly botch moves.

There is nothing to be gained by anyone from having him on board at this point. Popping ratings for 2 weeks is not a draw, and even if you somehow consider those 2 weeks of an extra 200k people to be a good thing, that is not nearly worth having to deal with the baggage he brings with him everywhere he goes.

The only place Punk needs to be at this point is at home being the overrated bitter egomaniac he is and has always been.
You’re describing AEW.
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Old 10-22-2022, 08:33 PM   #12008
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No, I'm describing CM Punk everywhere he goes.

And your list of people who benefitted from Punk is laughable.

Will Hobbs: where's he at?

Darby Allin: Afterthought still meandering about in meaningless feuds with Sting in tow

FTR: Were already a big deal, now they are relegated to a non-existent RoH

MJF: Got the big win over Punk with help from Wardlow, only to have to turn around and job to Punk a month or two later to facilitate the Wardlow turn and disappear for months soon after.

Wardlow: Wardlow was the hottest act already outside of MJF, and while he had a good run for a couple months after, he's now been shoved into a tag team with Samoa Joe and they've stuck him back in a reformed pinnacle.
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Old 10-22-2022, 08:38 PM   #12009
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Meanwhile, female talent who are friends of Thunder Rosa are seeing their AEW bookings dry up.
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Also, why do you have to deflect to "YEAH BUT THE ELITE" any time someone talks bad about Punk now? No one is talking about Kenny/The Bucks here besides you. They have nothing to do with Punk being an overrated blowhard who ends up pissing off everyone around him everywhere he goes.
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Funnily enough their booking turns to shit when it turns out they are Punk guys.
And then there's this bit. Tell me exactly how he is helping people if people are getting buried just for being associated with him because of the drama he causes?
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Old 10-22-2022, 08:43 PM   #12012
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Punk: Pushed to the moon
Punk's guys: shit booking

Who is exactly getting helped here?
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No, I'm describing CM Punk everywhere he goes.

And your list of people who benefitted from Punk is laughable.

Will Hobbs: where's he at?

Darby Allin: Afterthought still meandering about in meaningless feuds with Sting in tow

FTR: Were already a big deal, now they are relegated to a non-existent RoH

MJF: Got the big win over Punk with help from Wardlow, only to have to turn around and job to Punk a month or two later to facilitate the Wardlow turn and disappear for months soon after.

Wardlow: Wardlow was the hottest act already outside of MJF, and while he had a good run for a couple months after, he's now been shoved into a tag team with Samoa Joe and they've stuck him back in a reformed pinnacle.
No, you’re describing AEW. So many dudes in AEW are what you project onto Punk.

Will Hobbs: He’s a Punk guy. Sabotaged by The Elite.

Darby Allin: Yeah, exactly. He was like an AEW mascot until Punk came in and worked with him. Now he’s basically treading water because The Elite can’t have that.

FTR: Yeah, The Elite.

MJF: Yes, because Tony is a fucking moron who wasn’t paying the dude as much as he deserved for his output with Punk.

Wardlow: Yeah, Punk made him look like a million dollars then TK jumped the gun with him and The Elite had him sabotaged for being a Punk guy.

The problem with this promotion isn’t Punk. It’s TK’s booking and The Elite being insecure bitches. Punk comes in and helps get people talking about talent — whether it’s through working with them on-air or behind the scenes — then after they shine they disappear. Well soon a lot of that talent will disappear for good because their deals will be up and they will get away from the political animals.
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And then there's this bit. Tell me exactly how he is helping people if people are getting buried just for being associated with him because of the drama he causes?
He’s helping them become better workers. Unfortunately that’s a threat to people in AEW. But hey, AEW sucks and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Lol, The Elite caused the drama because Punk came in and didn’t want to go with the indy mentality and popped that one rating. The last thing The Elite wants is validation of what guys like Cornette says. Plus when the numbers actually move it proves that numbers can move and they haven’t done it. Insecurity.
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Also, why do you have to deflect to "YEAH BUT THE ELITE" any time someone talks bad about Punk now? No one is talking about Kenny/The Bucks here besides you. They have nothing to do with Punk being an overrated blowhard who ends up pissing off everyone around him everywhere he goes.
Because The Elite are the problem, bud. Never underestimate the wrath of the untalented in power.

Punk got Rampage over 1 million and started telling talent “try things this way” instead of “whatever you feel is correct is correct.” When some talent started saying “Hey, this works!” it validates all the veterans who have ever pointed out the flaws in the games of The Bucks and Omega. They will not be surpassed by people learning to do things better.

So they started the bullshit about Colt Cabana. They got Adam Page to go out there on their own show and try to tank the top babyface a week before their PPV and tarnish his reputation before TWO consecutive PPVs in Chicago. They’re the drama, because Punk understandably doesn’t like their sucky shit.

I’m not the biggest Punk fan in the world by any stretch. But he’s actually the lesser evil here. The Bucks and Omega poked and prodded because you can’t have someone with a traditional pro-wrestling mind in their vanity project.
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Wouldn’t surprise me if New Japan wanted Punk and FTR over Omega and The Bucks too. You know, from that time where they outright lied to New Japan about staying even though their names were in the name of the new promotion cutting into New Japan’s US expansion and they thought it would be just fine.

Don’t think that didn’t make Kenny mad on top of Punk doing better Rampage numbers than him.

Punk didn’t suck their dicks and likely spoke out about their creative and how it is factually holding back the promotion. Yeah, he ruffled feathers. But he was also likely under the impression that he was brought in to help the product and assumed he was being paid enough for Tony to listen to his common sense. Nup. TK wants to entertain these two completely disparate visions. One is based on what works and doing things for effect. The other is based on what a handful of guys want to do to make themselves feel good regardless of if it works or not. They’re completely incompatible and it was always going to end in some sort of explosion between the people who want to bake a pie and the people who want to put their dick in it, regardless of if Punk was there or not. JR has had problems with this. FTR.

You have to go along with the corrupt management in AEW. It’s a toxic culture. Yeah, it’s gonna make a few people miserable, especially if they are already inclined to be miserable. But hey, they’re going to get theirs.
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Yep. Because Thunder Rosa has been deemed a problem by someone who has Tony’s ear too.
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So, I just wanted to go back to Chris Jericho for a bit:

We know he talks to Dave Meltzer. It’s possible he flat-out lied to Dave for…reasons, but it’s more likely that Dave has the accurate details on Jericho’s contract, and that he was signed for two more years.

It’s pretty batty that TK has backed up a truck to Jericho’s house when he was locked in until 2024 anyway. The signing of Moxley to a 5 yr deal goes along with this, but at least his deal was expiring (or had already expired). TK is desperate to have guys locked for a long-ass time, probably for any sort of negotiating leverage he can get with networks. It was important to have Jericho locked in to a deal beyond 2023, because that’s when the Dynamite TV deal is up, right?

We’re seeing who TK sees as actually important, and it tells us who has not made a commitment. And it implies a measure of hesitance from Warner Bros Discovery to sign new deals with AEW — otherwise, why would Jericho signing now be so important?

And he’s taken TK for all he’s worth. He’s getting way overpaid to do horrible shit. Jericho is almost as big a problem as The Elite. They’re Hogan and Nash to Tony’s Bischoff. Adam Page might as well be Diamond Adam Page. If Hogan and Nash were able to do springboards, I wonder if Meltzer would have looked past their politics?

This ROH thing is horrible. These acts are getting low-key buried by Jericho. There are so many problems with this story.

* Why is Tony Khan letting Jericho beat up whoever he wants?
* Where is everyone who likes ROH in the company to stand up for ROH?
* What happens to the ROH guys once they get beaten by a 50 yr old Jericho?

You want to see a guy hurting the company, look at him.
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You can see it on the television. The rumors are the rumors. If I were a wrestler, I sure as shit wouldn’t sign there.
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I wouldn’t trust The Elite. You’re allowed to, but I think that’s stupid.
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No, I'm describing CM Punk everywhere he goes.

And your list of people who benefitted from Punk is laughable.

Will Hobbs: where's he at?

Darby Allin: Afterthought still meandering about in meaningless feuds with Sting in tow

FTR: Were already a big deal, now they are relegated to a non-existent RoH

MJF: Got the big win over Punk with help from Wardlow, only to have to turn around and job to Punk a month or two later to facilitate the Wardlow turn and disappear for months soon after.

Wardlow: Wardlow was the hottest act already outside of MJF, and while he had a good run for a couple months after, he's now been shoved into a tag team with Samoa Joe and they've stuck him back in a reformed pinnacle.
Will Hobbs wasnt elevated at all. He had a one off with Punk then kept doing exactly what he was doing in Team Taz, except he went from number 2 in that team to number 3 when Hook surpassed him. He finally did something by turning on Starks, but nothing since other than a few wins over ransom jobbers.

Darby Allin was on an upward trajectory, was TNT Champ, all before Punk came in. Since then, Darby hasn't done anything of note. He beat Jay Lethal one time, but he is much further down the card than he was before Phil.

FTR are exactly what they have always been. Just because Punk said they are good doesn't mean people were suddenly clued in.

MJF and Wardlow were built up to clash long before Punk. If anything Punk being involved dragged it out longer than needed.

There is also the fact that he did the opposite of help in burying the Bucks, Hangman, and the company. He also caused his friend to get fired, and Omega to get suspended.

He did far more to hurt the company than be did to help it, which is what I said was going to happen all along.
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This isn’t aimed at you, Destor, but there is a lot of “Punk is definitely like this!” when it comes to him, even if it is demonstrably untrue. Like, I’ve seen people calling him lazy and acting like he’s known for shooting on people. The dude’s done one shoot interview and has never worked stiff lol. That’s okay. But I notice that there’s conversely a lot of demand for a reserved opinion on The Elite like you’re being grossly inappropriate for suggesting THEY might be bitter assholes.

I think they’re conniving little shits.
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Will Hobbs wasnt elevated at all. He had a one off with Punk then kept doing exactly what he was doing in Team Taz, except he went from number 2 in that team to number 3 when Hook surpassed him. He finally did something by turning on Starks, but nothing since other than a few wins over ransom jobbers.

Darby Allin was on an upward trajectory, was TNT Champ, all before Punk came in. Since then, Darby hasn't done anything of note. He beat Jay Lethal one time, but he is much further down the card than he was before Phil.

FTR are exactly what they have always been. Just because Punk said they are good doesn't mean people were suddenly clued in.

MJF and Wardlow were built up to clash long before Punk. If anything Punk being involved dragged it out longer than needed.

There is also the fact that he did the opposite of help in burying the Bucks, Hangman, and the company. He also caused his friend to get fired, and Omega to get suspended.

He did far more to hurt the company than be did to help it, which is what I said was going to happen all along.
Yeah, Punk works with guys and they get buried after he’s done. That’s exactly my point. He’s not Triple H lying down for guys and making himself look good. He was actually trying and there’s a concerted effort from other parties to make sure it doesn’t stick. I’d want them to get the fuck out of my locker room too.
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I think they’re conniving little shits.
They are, 100%, but they did God's work making Phil rage like the douchebag he is
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They are, 100%, but they did God's work making Phil rage like the douchebag he is
Look, I’ll let you have your Punk hate, but it’s got to cut both ways. I’m happy he stood up to them and looks to be taking a large chunk of money from them on his way out.
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I’m ok with him just retiring and never appearing in public again. I don’t really find replay value in his work like an all-time great. But if he signs with WWE or goes elsewhere I am happy with that too.

I want to stress that I am not a Punk mark. I didn’t really miss him after 2014. He’s a talented talker and he can work in the ring. There are problems with his credibility and some of his loftier opinions are just…wrong. In my opinion. But if he can lay off Goldberg, admit casual fans exist and accept that he’s a tier below the best ever, he’s like one of the best A-grade professionals out there. I wouldn’t wish on him to suffer fools though. I like that he went in there and didn’t just wrestle his own shit and keep quiet until he was irrelevant (like Bryan).
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Look, I’ll let you have your Punk hate, but it’s got to cut both ways. I’m happy he stood up to them and looks to be taking a large chunk of money from them on his way out.
I love that Shad has to pay Phil probably $10 million just because his idiot son can't keep his employees in line
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I wonder if they’re trying to slip him extra to try and buy his silence.
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If CM Punk is such a toxic person and a detriment to the business, why would AEW be trying to get him to sign a ludicrously long no-compete? Dave didn’t think that one through.
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Because The Elite are the problem, bud. Never underestimate the wrath of the untalented in power.

Punk got Rampage over 1 million and started telling talent “try things this way” instead of “whatever you feel is correct is correct.” When some talent started saying “Hey, this works!” it validates all the veterans who have ever pointed out the flaws in the games of The Bucks and Omega. They will not be surpassed by people learning to do things better.

So they started the bullshit about Colt Cabana. They got Adam Page to go out there on their own show and try to tank the top babyface a week before their PPV and tarnish his reputation before TWO consecutive PPVs in Chicago. They’re the drama, because Punk understandably doesn’t like their sucky shit.

I’m not the biggest Punk fan in the world by any stretch. But he’s actually the lesser evil here. The Bucks and Omega poked and prodded because you can’t have someone with a traditional pro-wrestling mind in their vanity project.
Preach, brother!
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If CM Punk is such a toxic person and a detriment to the business, why would AEW be trying to get him to sign a ludicrously long no-compete? Dave didn’t think that one through.
Because Tiny doesn't want anybody else playing with his toys.
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Because Tiny doesn't want anybody else playing with his toys.
Especially if that toy could be used better in the different environment.
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That Adam Page went out there and did what he did is one of the most surreal things in recent pro-wrestling memory. Punk was probably told what the promo was going to be about. He may have even had input and helped Page prepare the talking points to sell the PPV. He goes out there expecting that thing and then Page comes out with this smug esoteric nonsense trying to hurt CM Punk in the wallet.

You’d expect the boss to pull that guy aside and put some punishment down on him for blindsiding someone, right? Instead, nothing happens and the guy is even possibly rewarded for trying to piss on your future. It’s absolutely bonkers.
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Especially if that toy could be used better in the different environment.
That would challenge his Booker of the Year award
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Instead, nothing happens and the guy is even possibly rewarded for trying to piss on your future. It’s absolutely bonkers.
Maybe AEW shouldn't have banked their future on a broken down 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Hangman is lame as hell, but he is also not a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Even if Hangman didn't cut that promo, Phil still would have injured his foot, still would have injured his arm, and still would have had something to complain about, because no matter what Page said, Punk would still be a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.
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