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Old 10-23-2022, 07:24 PM   #12041
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I hope Wade Keller is wrong but he's reporting that MJF has already resigned and the entire angle about him potentially going to WWE is fake....but they still plan to run the story for the forseeable future. Considering the C&D sent to WWE over tampering, that means WWE will not even be trying to get MJF, and the entire story is now utter bullshit and not believable at all. There goes the best story in AEW.
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Old 10-23-2022, 08:18 PM   #12042
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Every report of a wrestler getting extended makes me laugh, because Shad is on the hook to keep paying them no matter what.
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Old 10-24-2022, 02:22 AM   #12043
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Maybe AEW shouldn't have banked their future on a broken down 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Hangman is lame as hell, but he is also not a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Even if Hangman didn't cut that promo, Phil still would have injured his foot, still would have injured his arm, and still would have had something to complain about, because no matter what Page said, Punk would still be a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.
There’s no defense for Punk getting embarrassed, but I’m pretty sure Hangman would have been embarrassed too. Even at his age, given what he can think up and provide with his promos and in other roles, Punk is still more valuable than the entire Elite.
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Old 10-24-2022, 05:53 AM   #12044
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If MJF signed a longer deal with AEW, that’s his choice to deal with.
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Old 10-24-2022, 06:23 AM   #12045
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You really think that he would amount to much in WWE ? MJF does better in a smaller pond.

MFJ vs the Miz would probably be his first program..and it would be downhill from there. He is simply not WWE homegrown talent. Fuck, they would just put him in NXT
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MJF would be absolutely fine in WWE. It’s one of the easiest things to envision.

He’s not the biggest fish in AEW — he’s basically the only fish. I guess he gets the shine from the story of being the A1 guy there, but it’s so far down in AEW that it’s inconsequential.
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Old 10-24-2022, 07:04 AM   #12047
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If Vince was still in charge, I would have some reservations about MJF in WWE. Mainly because Vince doesn't really push smaller guys very often and tends to drop them in a hurry or use them to job to the main eventers.

However, with HHH in charge, that's not gonna be an issue imo. He is more than willing to push these guys that aren't big ole muscle men. If you have the "it factor" and you can go, HHH is gonna give you that shot. And MJF has all the "it factor" you can ask for, especially at his age.

Honestly, the downside in WWE would be they make him the next Miz. And is that really a bad thing? He's been at or near the top of the card for like 15 years consistently and always has something going on. He makes a bunch of money and gets to do side projects. Pretty cushy spot, really.
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Old 10-24-2022, 09:00 AM   #12048
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If he wasn't made to reign in his promos, he'd be fine. I think his size would be off-putting initially, but that'd quickly forgotten about.


He and Miz could have some excellent exchanges. World champ, nah. Solid IC / US title program participant.
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Old 10-24-2022, 10:49 AM   #12049
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Vince would have gotten MJF. One of his strengths is that it’s believable this guy would have hired muscle, which allows you to use MJF as a vehicle to get a huge guy over as a project. You’re not just pushing the small guy with a motor mouth.
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Old 10-24-2022, 11:04 AM   #12050
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I love hearing that some guys have been extended by Tony Khan. In my eyes, it's the greatest thing they could do.


When AEW shuts down in 3 years, they can go work somewhere else like WWE and still be getting paid by Tony Khan as part of still owing on their contracts. Genius by MJF, Moxley, and Jericho.
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It’s good for the individual bank accounts of the guys being paid, for sure. The day where Shad is going to need to payout all these ongoing contracts is likely though.
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Oh I don't disagree. But was Tony smart enough to write into those contracts language that says "if we go out of business, you cannot compete till the contract is up".

Like I know he's not going to have that physically written into a contract....Just saying.
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Dave has completely changed his stance on Chris Jericho. He’s gone from saying he had a two year rollover to a one year one. The one year option always made more sense, but he was so certain it was two. Now he’s so certain it wasn’t.

My thinking is that either Jericho caught on that the optics of Jericho taking TK for a ride shows how desperate the company is to have stars under lock and key or the one year thing was always true and Dave is just clueless to how long his buddies are signed.

I do wonder if he just made up the two year thing with The Bucks too?

But this is all for the TV deal. That’s why TK is trying to suggest these guys with WWE names are involved in deep ways. You’d imagine they’d announce MJF signing to WBD for the same reason. That’s why I’m inclined to not believe the story of him being under a longer deal initially. I think they’re being pretty cavalier about who is Team AEW in order to get those TV deals, which obviously haven’t been penned yet. I also think this is a good indicator that Omega and The Bucks haven’t signed anything yet.

What happens if TK doesn’t get good TV deals? That is going to be interesting. Having Jericho and Mox under contract as you’re moving to AXS TV is a bit of a tough situation.
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Like I know he's not going to have that physically written into a contract....Just saying.
If there’s one thing I underestimated about Tony Khan, it was his penchant for sticking to legal advice and getting a tough contract done. And they have been ogres about those deals. He’s probably used to having lawyers cover his mistakes.

If AEW goes belly-up, I don’t think there would be a point to TK preventing them from working anywhere. I mean, they are independent contractors now, so there’s nothing stopping them from working WWE except TK not wanting them to.

If TK has a mental breakdown, WBD drop them, Shad wants to pull the plug, etc. — I think they just pay out the deals they have in place, sink the millions then Jericho, Mox, Danielson, etc. are free to work wherever. I don’t think we’ll get AOL/Time Warner paying WCW guys to sit at home even though there’s no WCW for them to wrestle on.

Unless the last ditch attempt to get something out of this is for TK to try and get people to buy out their deals. If AEW goes down, it would be interesting to see if WWE makes a play to purchase it and acquire whatever talent they have under contract, or whether they just let that mess sort itself out over time and use it as a cautionary lesson to wrestlers looking to sign with other billionaires.
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This company has a guy who main evented 2 Wrestlemanias, and the best they could come up with is tapping him out to Daniel Garcia and having Wheeler Poopah talk down to him.
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People still bring up how WCW misused Bret Hart 25 years later (and rightfully so). With AEW it’s “I guess Bryan doesn’t want to be used well.”

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WBD reportedly wants to sign AEW longterm. These extensions for AEW's superstars are looking better by the second. Big Biceps Tony can't stop winning!
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By the way, the source for that is John Arezzi, and he makes no mention of how lucrative this alleged interest would or would not be. And it’s John Arezzi.
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I have dead zero interest in AEW right now. I think I will take off watching this week because it's a waste of time, it's Halloween goddamnit.
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I have dead zero interest in AEW right now. I think I will take off watching this week because it's a waste of time, it's Halloween goddamnit.
You will miss Sammy Guevara and Tay Conti dressing up as Joker and Harley Quinn or something because they’re edgy from 7 years ago.
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Old 10-25-2022, 05:56 PM   #12065
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AEW has gotten so bad even Dave Meltzer is being honest about it now.
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WBD reportedly wants to sign AEW longterm. These extensions for AEW's superstars are looking better by the second. Big Biceps Tony can't stop winning!
That has never been the issue, getting resigned or not. The issue is that the "Business Model" Tiny sold his dad on was they would get the kind of increase WWE did from their next rights contract. A 3x increase has always been the pot of gold.

It does not matter one bit if AEW's new deal goes from $45 million per year to $55 million per year. The entire purpose was for AEW to get a $150+ million per year deal to make Shad's investment worth it.

If they do not 3x their current deal, then their entire business model of "making it back" goes out the window, and they will be forced to trim their budget. Shad cannot want to continue funding something after 4 years of waiting for that payday that did not come?

AEW operates like a $100 million TV show expecting to be making $150 million. If they do not get that $150+ million deal, there are going to have to be some tough decisions made.
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By the way, the source for that is John Arezzi, and he makes no mention of how lucrative this alleged interest would or would not be. And it’s John Arezzi.
His entire basis for the claim is that there are AEW commercials during the MLB games on WBD networks.

He also claims that WBD want to negotiate this new deal because the current deal that they inherited with the merger is not very good for TBS/TNT and considered to be very one sided in favor of AEW.

That last bit doesn't make it sound like they are very high on AEW to me. What does it say when they apparently aren't happy with and consider the current 45 mill a year deal to be heavily in favor of the AEW side lol.
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His entire basis for the claim is that there are AEW commercials during the MLB games on WBD networks.

He also claims that WBD want to negotiate this new deal because the current deal that they inherited with the merger is not very good for TBS/TNT and considered to be very one sided in favor of AEW.

That last bit doesn't make it sound like they are very high on AEW to me. What does it say when they apparently aren't happy with and consider the current 45 mill a year deal to be heavily in favor of the AEW side lol.
LOL that sounds like they want to give AEW less money. Shad is gonna be PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED!
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AEW also get to keep half the ad profits, which is insane. If I were Warner, I’d be like “Yeah…no.” To make the current deal worth it, AEW would have to be pocketing <$45 million in ad rights. WBD wants that money.
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Lana is doing a Melissa Santos and is complaining about Miro’s booking on Twitter for him. Sounds like a really great place to work. At least they’re likely bringing back The Elite, which shouldn’t lead to any future problems at all.
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NBA, MLB, 'Rasslin, NCAA BBall Tournament games, and now NHL.

I miss NHL on NBC but that's quite the resume for WBD to make TNT (and TBS) a viable rival to Disney/ABC/ESPN.
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and I'm not forgetting the juggernaut of FOX/BTN. BTN is doing it's own thing with NBC now. It's just wild to keep up what all these companies are doing with live sports. I mean, AMAZON PRIME? This is the shit that is going to fuck up cord cutters, eventually.
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Lana is doing a Melissa Santos and is complaining about Miro’s booking on Twitter for him. Sounds like a really great place to work. At least they’re likely bringing back The Elite, which shouldn’t lead to any future problems at all.
It's criminal that no promotion since his Rusev Day gimmick can get him over. That shit was golden. It made his future wife and his partner look good.
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Someone claiming to be from Punk’s camp is saying that Larry the Dog got hurt when The Elite stormed into Punk’s locker room. Dave says that the story did come from Punk’s camp, but it’s the first he’s heard of it and other people say it’s a lie, but he doesn’t want to hit that too hard so he can back away from basically accusing a man of lying about dog being hurt.

Dave Meltzer also SUPPORTS the claim that the investigation didn’t contact Lucy Guy at all. But you can totally trust its findings.
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Old 10-27-2022, 09:37 AM   #12076
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Why this is insane:

* Punk lying about his dog being hurt is pretty slanderous and would be easily verifiable. It’s a stupid lie to tell (if it came from him).

* If it wasn’t part of the investigation and it’s coming up now…wtf? I don’t believe Meltzer knows anything about the investigation, but if it’s genuinely from Punk, chances are that it was part of the investigation — whether true or not. The assertion that it’s a lie and it’s a fresh one seems very unlikely. What would Punk have to gain now versus what he could potentially lose?

* Punk doesn’t need the dog story. If The Elite barged into his locker room when he was on edge and started provoking him in a private space, while he was hurt and vulnerable, without neutral witnesses, him responding with violence to protect himself, his friends or his pet is not necessarily unreasonable action, even if you don’t condone violence. The Elite just flat-out shouldn’t have been there.

* If the investigation didn’t consult Lucy Guy…wtf? There’s always a chance she could just defend Punk. But if The Elite conducted themselves as saints, it’s possible she could tell the truth. It is possible for someone to put their welfare and integrity above a friendship if the friend acted irresponsibly. That they didn’t ask implies they didn’t expect the story they wanted to hear. That’s bullshit in an investigation.

It’s possible Punk hasn’t said anything about his dog, he just punched the fuckers for stepping to him, and Lucy Guy was spoken with and Dave is just an asshole. But this story makes the company look like a way bigger mess and Dave normally wouldn’t have part in that.
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There is zero reason to believe that story now. If that happened to his dog, he should have put that out instantly. That would have completely changed the public sentiment.

Instead he waits until the day The Elite return to work/begin their comeback??? That is as transparent as Vince McMahon waiting until Punk's wedding day to fire him.
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There is zero reason to believe that story now. If that happened to his dog, he should have put that out instantly. That would have completely changed the public sentiment.

Instead he waits until the day The Elite return to work/begin their comeback??? That is as transparent as Vince McMahon waiting until Punk's wedding day to fire him.
He would have put the story out day one. He just would have put it out to the company, expecting them to actually do a proper investigation.

We’ve only heard versions of The Elite’s story. It’s possible Punk thought the investigation would actually be fair so he played along and kept quiet, public sentiment be damned.

Punk looks better swiping at a Buck for going into his locker room and mouthing off and telling the company to piss up a rope than he does lying about his dog now. This would be a way to poison sentiment against him.
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If the story has come from Punk and none of it was in the investigation, I’ll agree that Punk is an idiot and an asshole. But that seems dubious. I have a much easier time believing that AEW botched the investigation.
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Lol, what a crazy world: We’re left debating whether CM Punk is an insane liar hiding behind his dog’s health or if the promotion could be so insane as to discard that information.
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