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Old 11-21-2022, 12:01 AM   #12481
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Making games aint cheap thats for damn sure. There's a reason they stopped making movie tie in games and middle-ware in general. All the lower A tier companies are looking to sell. The risk is crazy high. If AEW made a mistake it was developing a video game to begin with. Its a rough market with extreme risk.
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They’re also severely over budget even for a game.

You make fine points Destor, but it’s not 2000 anymore. Yukes are developing a game that has to fit old systems. They’re also doing it to the direction of a fan and someone who has no prior experience with game development.

The roster is going to be extremely limited and out of date. That feeling of “Wow! I get to play as (insert person here)” is not going to be there. Almost everyone is going to have a favorite that doesn’t make the cut. Their move sets are also going to likely be limited compared to how they actually wrestle.

The Yukes games in the 90’s and 00’s pushed wrestling games forward. These ones are chasing that time. It’s a big artistic difference.
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Old 11-21-2022, 04:56 AM   #12483
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The roster of every wrestling game is out of date. They cut off roster additions months before release. Thats just how they're made.

I don't know why you think movesets will be limited. Do you know something we don't?
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Old 11-21-2022, 06:17 AM   #12484
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The roster of every wrestling game is out of date. They cut off roster additions months before release. Thats just how they're made.

I don't know why you think movesets will be limited. Do you know something we don't?
Every modern game has an out of date roster. Fight Forever has about 50 wrestlers — many of whom were in the company from basically day dot.

Didn’t they come out and confirm that wrestlers will have a strong grab and a weak grab and basically 4 moves that come from that? Who wrestles like that in AEW?
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Old 11-21-2022, 06:39 AM   #12485
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You don't play a lot of wrestling games do you? Most games have a weak/strong grab system, including the ones fight forever is influenced by. Weak grapples are early match moves like headlocks and arm drags and strong grapples give you your powerbombs and superkicks.
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They’re also severely over budget even for a game.

You make fine points Destor, but it’s not 2000 anymore. Yukes are developing a game that has to fit old systems. They’re also doing it to the direction of a fan and someone who has no prior experience with game development.

The roster is going to be extremely limited and out of date. That feeling of “Wow! I get to play as (insert person here)” is not going to be there. Almost everyone is going to have a favorite that doesn’t make the cut. Their move sets are also going to likely be limited compared to how they actually wrestle.

The Yukes games in the 90’s and 00’s pushed wrestling games forward. These ones are chasing that time. It’s a big artistic difference.
the retro market is huge right now. Making 90s throwback games is very common and very in vogue
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Old 11-21-2022, 07:56 AM   #12487
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nerf thinks he is shitting on aew, but is just bringing up problems with all wrestling games.
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Old 11-21-2022, 08:35 AM   #12488
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Noid getting clowned by people who actually know about video games is just the sweetener I needed for my coffee this morning.
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This has turned into another classic AEW argument. The game being good is not even the issue. It's another thing like the TV rights deal, where people who are Pro AEW are greatly overestimating how profitable the game will be. AEW's entire existence has been "oh they are about to be making SOOOOOO much money, LFG!!!" and any other outcome is just stupid people who do not understand anything.

No Mercy sold over 1 million copies at a time 10 million people were watching wrestling weekly. Yes there had to be some crossover of people who bought that didnt watch wrestling, but in the overall scenario probably not a statistical significance.

What is honestly a good projection for sales? I am fairly confident it wont be this giant windfall of profits AEW likes to pretend it will be, but really what is the likely number willing to buy the game?
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You don't play a lot of wrestling games do you? Most games have a weak/strong grab system, including the ones fight forever is influenced by. Weak grapples are early match moves like headlocks and arm drags and strong grapples give you your powerbombs and superkicks.
Lol, I’m not saying that other games haven’t used it. I’m saying that it isn’t going to be reflective of how people wrestle in AEW. I’m pretty sure they’ve come out and said that each wrestler is going to have something like 8 moves from their basic grapples. Who even grapples in AEW?
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the retro market is huge right now. Making 90s throwback games is very common and very in vogue
Those are two different things. You can make a game that envokes nostalgia or you can make a game that is 25 years out of date.
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nerf thinks he is shitting on aew, but is just bringing up problems with all wrestling games.
Is this aimed at me? I don’t know who nerf is. Something being as horrible as something else doesn’t make it not horrible.
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Lol if only you knew. The only sweetener you require are panties to sniff, you insecure perv.
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This has turned into another classic AEW argument. The game being good is not even the issue. It's another thing like the TV rights deal, where people who are Pro AEW are greatly overestimating how profitable the game will be. AEW's entire existence has been "oh they are about to be making SOOOOOO much money, LFG!!!" and any other outcome is just stupid people who do not understand anything.

No Mercy sold over 1 million copies at a time 10 million people were watching wrestling weekly. Yes there had to be some crossover of people who bought that didnt watch wrestling, but in the overall scenario probably not a statistical significance.

What is honestly a good projection for sales? I am fairly confident it wont be this giant windfall of profits AEW likes to pretend it will be, but really what is the likely number willing to buy the game?
The game is going to suck dude. I’m sure a few people will lie and try and pretend they’re having fun with it, but people who have been paying attention will have noticed a lot of red flags.

To be fair, most people are distancing themselves from the idea of this game being profitable. It’s just a nice thing the company is doing because they care. The new line is that fans just want the game is fun to play. There is some “at least it’s not 2k!” It’s the last rung to grab on the way down and people will hold onto it for as long as they can.

Projection for sales is 3.
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There’s more AEW backstage drama:

Jungle Boy did the predictable thing and tried to mock CM Punk at the media scrum (you knew some unimaginative fuck would try and do it on behalf of The Elite). Colten Gunn then commented on a photo of JB saying the kid wants to be a Gunn so bad. JB then said he’d rather be booked for the PPV. Gunn said that if he changed with The Bucks and stayed up to 6am partying with the boss he might.

That damn CM Punk still causing problems. At least this one implying Tony Khan has a problem is probably just a work to make the company look bad.
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The thing that gets me is that AEW apologists (who have immediately gone after The Gunns of course) are claiming nepotism being the only reason they got there. Lots of “they’re only there because they’re Billy kids.” Um…Jack Perry? Never mind that The Gunns have earned their stripes and being the son of Billy Gunn isn’t exactly going to be the red carpet AEW marks are making it out to be. It might get you a look, but assumptions might be that you are automatically horrible lol.
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This has turned into another classic AEW argument. The game being good is not even the issue. It's another thing like the TV rights deal, where people who are Pro AEW are greatly overestimating how profitable the game will be. AEW's entire existence has been "oh they are about to be making SOOOOOO much money, LFG!!!" and any other outcome is just stupid people who do not understand anything.

No Mercy sold over 1 million copies at a time 10 million people were watching wrestling weekly. Yes there had to be some crossover of people who bought that didnt watch wrestling, but in the overall scenario probably not a statistical significance.

What is honestly a good projection for sales? I am fairly confident it wont be this giant windfall of profits AEW likes to pretend it will be, but really what is the likely number willing to buy the game?
Only nobody here is talking about the game being profitable in the way you’re describing. Barely talking about sales full stop.
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Only nobody here is talking about the game being profitable in the way you’re describing. Barely talking about sales full stop.
I just want a good, fun wrestling game and I'm pretty sure most of the people here interested in the game are the same way.

The company's bottom line on the project means little to me. The game's profitability only matters to me in the sense that if I like the game, I'd want it to do well so it can receive a sequel or at least continued support.
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Only nobody here is talking about the game being profitable in the way you’re describing. Barely talking about sales full stop.
That’s quietened down, but it was definitely around. People want the sun to shine out of this company’s ass.
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Luckily many will get to play the game for free via GamePass and can judge for themselves because lolAEW, right?
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I just want a good, fun wrestling game and I'm pretty sure most of the people here interested in the game are the same way.
I have hated wrestling games for the past 20 years or so. Mainly because the controls became too needlessly complicated, especially for a non-video game nerd. I think rejecting that style is the main selling point behind the “No Mercy” comparison so I kinda wanna at least give it a shot.
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This has turned into another classic AEW argument. The game being good is not even the issue. It's another thing like the TV rights deal, where people who are Pro AEW are greatly overestimating how profitable the game will be. AEW's entire existence has been "oh they are about to be making SOOOOOO much money, LFG!!!" and any other outcome is just stupid people who do not understand anything.

No Mercy sold over 1 million copies at a time 10 million people were watching wrestling weekly. Yes there had to be some crossover of people who bought that didnt watch wrestling, but in the overall scenario probably not a statistical significance.

What is honestly a good projection for sales? I am fairly confident it wont be this giant windfall of profits AEW likes to pretend it will be, but really what is the likely number willing to buy the game?
no mercy sold 1 million at a time when games didnt sell 1 million copies. The list of games not published by nintendo that outsold wwe games is basically just the star wars games and tony hawk.

Dont misunderstand me this games profits are questionable at best. Namely because we dont know how much money was put into it. We cant even remotely assess what it needs to move. AEW is nowhere near where it needs to be to finance something like this let alone profit from it. Green lighting it was bold to say the least and arrogant to say more.

None of the effects that this game is being put together by the most talented team that exists. No one thinks modern wwe games are good. The guys making this are behind that last time people thought it was. Knock the concept not the product.
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The games sales will come down to price. At $30 if there's good word of mouth this could move 3 million. Not from AEW fans either. From the retro wrestling game fandom. Being an AEW isnt a selling point. I dont watch the product and I'll pick this up
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Those are two different things. You can make a game that envokes nostalgia or you can make a game that is 25 years out of date.
This is really out of touch with the retro gaming market. 8/16/32/and 64 bit games didnt go out of style the industry left them behind. AAA developers are remaking these games from this era and reselling them and maintaining the aesthetic. There's a very hungry market for this and the games in this style are selling more now than they did on release. The business side of it is working out very well. If AEW fails it will be an anomaly. The market is very healthy for this.
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Speking of retro style wrestling games Wrestle Quest is an upcoming 16 bit style turn based rpg that looks PRETTY RAD. Very excited for it.

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This is really out of touch with the retro gaming market. 8/16/32/and 64 bit games didnt go out of style the industry left them behind. AAA developers are remaking these games from this era and reselling them and maintaining the aesthetic. There's a very hungry market for this and the games in this style are selling more now than they did on release. The business side of it is working out very well. If AEW fails it will be an anomaly. The market is very healthy for this.
This isn’t a 64-bit game dude. This isn’t a re-release of a classic. I have no doubt this game will drive people to play No Mercy and Revenge again. They’re going to be better games.

I doubt it will even play like No Mercy. I think the intent is there, but it’s going to feel like an inauthentic facsimile and it’ll have a mountain of problems that No Mercy didn’t have in the context of its time and for what it was.
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Speking of retro style wrestling games Wrestle Quest is an upcoming 16 bit style turn based rpg that looks PRETTY RAD. Very excited for it.

oh and Retro Mania Wrestling was a super wrestle mania inspired indy ttile from last year that was pretty cool (on sale now down from $30 @$20.) For $20 its a good pick up.
Never heard of it, but I always liked the name “WrestleQuest” for an event. I thought it may have already been used.
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Apparently this week’s Dynamite is the night before Thanksgiving? Take that, MJF.
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This isn’t a 64-bit game dude. This isn’t a re-release of a classic. I have no doubt this game will drive people to play No Mercy and Revenge again. They’re going to be better games.

I doubt it will even play like No Mercy. I think the intent is there, but it’s going to feel like an inauthentic facsimile and it’ll have a mountain of problems that No Mercy didn’t have in the context of its time and for what it was.
Completely possible. I would rather hope for the best though. Big fan of good wrestling games right here, if you couldn't tell.
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Apparently this week’s Dynamite is the night before Thanksgiving? Take that, MJF.
this has been the case since year one
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Completely possible. I would rather hope for the best though. Big fan of good wrestling games right here, if you couldn't tell.
It’s the hope that kills ya. Good luck! I used to love wrestling games until about Here Comes the Pain. I don’t remember what I played and what I didn’t after. I even had fun with Attitude back in the day.
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I’m pretty sure this is the first Full Gear to be held this late in November. But that’s besides the point. I’m suspicious there are knives out for MJF in this company.
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It’s the hope that kills ya. Good luck! I used to love wrestling games until about Here Comes the Pain. I don’t remember what I played and what I didn’t after. I even had fun with Attitude back in the day.
Fire Pro is the last wrestling game i'll ever need, so its not like all my hopes and dreams are pinned on this being good. It would just be good for the genre.
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I’m pretty sure this is the first Full Gear to be held this late in November. But that’s besides the point. I’m suspicious there are knives out for MJF in this company.
… Is the implication here that they planned the date for Full Gear months ago specifically so that the following Dynamite would be the Thanksgiving Eve show so that when MJF wins the title at Full Gear, his first show as champion will draw lower-than-usual ratings and he can be blamed for it?
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