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Old 05-01-2018, 09:00 PM   #12641
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Might wanna hold off and wait for Red Dead 2 to come out.

But I agree, God of War is great. Buddy on my friends list is just flying through it and I'm taking my sweet, sweet time discovering every nook and crany.
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I mean it's Rockstar, and it's Red Dead. It will be amazing and a sure fire GOTY candidate. But we have been there before. Could see GoW edging it out in part because it's world and characters are so fresh. Surprisingly, not a lot of games out there that explore Norse mythology.

Also, while Rockstar's gameplay always feels really good, it just doesn't have the depth of a game like God of War. All the different things you can do in a fight, as well as the more tactical approach this installment has taken, really make it hard for me to see Red Dead topping it from a gameplay perspective.
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There's alot coming out this year that looks ace but i hope its as good as advertised. Looks mad short which is always knock for my tastes but im excited to play it.
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That's the other thing. Combat in previous God of War games always felt a bit floaty and weightless. Feels a lot heavier here. Everything move feels like it has weight to it. Even when you pop up and juggle some poor son of a bitch in the air.

Also, this game is a perfect example of why not every god damn video game has to be open world. It gives you lots to explore, while still keeping you focused on a linear path. The extremely well crafted narrative helps with that.

I have so many open world games that I never finished. Not because I didn't enjoy them. I love the far cry games, assassins creed, shadow of war, etc. But their main narrative feels so uninspired and tacked on that I feel no compulsion to complete it before the next shiny new game drops.

GoW gives you just enough to explore and get that sense of wonder with the game world, but pulls you back into the main quest line before it gets tedious.
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Old GoW were Hack n Slash games. This GoW isn't a Hack n Slash game. Very. Huge. Difference.
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I'd be curious to hear your definition of hack and slash. Because by golly I sure have been doing a lot of hacking and or slashing.
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Its still a hack and slash. It just isnt a devil may cry esq hack and slash
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At best you can say its a beat em up/brawler but you gotta put your nerd cap on to draw out the difference
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I mean you can certainly have different kinds of hack and slash. But the general definition isn't that specific. Pretty sure most people consider any action game that focuses primarily on melee weapon combat to be hack and slash.
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At best you can say its a beat em up/brawler but you gotta put your nerd cap on to draw out the difference
Brawler is fair, but it's certainly not in the western Hack n Slash family (which is already slightly removed from JP Hack n Slash).

I would absolutely love to explain how my 3rd fave gaming genre works, why it works, and all the little historical nuggets that go with it. But as a TLDR for now:

- Over the shoulder 'behind follow cam' is not conducive to Hack n Slash. There's a reason the perspective is often fixed leading to the genre's trademark stubborn camera angles.
- The 'one player fighting game' input intensity of Hack n Slash is not because it wants to annoy casuals. Hack n Slash, like a fighting game, demands you operate within a rigid yet flexible sandbox of actions in often quick reflexive manners. Lots of fighting game tropes carry over to HnS because of this (frame data, punishes, stretching combos, etc). Modern GoW, while 'presentation wise' intensive, is not actually demanding in this way. It is strategic via effect states and other mechanics that do involve melee per se - but not HnS requirements.
- This is NOT to say this GoW is more casual, there are many types of challenge in games. I am just saying in terms of genre (HnS) and sub-genre (western HnS), this game was obviously not built as a Hack n Slash game. It has almost none of the mechanical tropes related to the genre, and that's fine.

Hell I only noted the distinction in the first place cause it's very urk'ful to me when people make direct comparisons between this and the old GoW. As a series, sure. Game mechanics? That's as jarring as comparing RE7 to the RE4; it's just a different ball game. All I'm sayin.
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I mean you can certainly have different kinds of hack and slash. But the general definition isn't that specific. Pretty sure most people consider any action game that focuses primarily on melee weapon combat to be hack and slash.
Most people are wrong. The genre means something. It's not just whenever the hero swings a weapon. Zelda is not Hack n Slash. And get this; Godhand, with no heavy weapon combat, is.

Mechanics mean something. They combine to make up the consistent tropes of a genre.
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Yeah like i said you gotta be a real dork to say theyre different. Double Dragon and Beyonetta are the same genre unless youre nit picky. Theyre just different takes. Would be like saying crash bandicoot is a dif genre than mario due to a distinct change in approach despite the core mechanic remaining the same.

Defeat enemies. Progress to next screen. Hit enemies till they die. Repeat.

Needing intricate combos a genre does not make. Would be like saying mk1 and mk3 are different genres.

Nit picky and arbitrary.

HOWEVER if the point is conceded that it does make a dif genre then yes new GoW is not a hack and slash but in fact a beat em up. But its a rose by any other name.

Also would make YAKUZA a hack a slash which just sounds weird and protest on principle
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At best we're talking sub genres
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I really don't know how harsh 'dork' is supposed to be in this of all discussions.

Either I'm a complete dork for caring about how games are designed (for shame), or I'm in error and can't be that much of a 'geek'. I seriously do not get the 'dork' thing. We're talking games in a wrestling forum.

Now for the rest of your post cause you're off on a few things. But before I commit to it, cause it's gonna be 'one of those Kalyx posts', a simple question:

Do you care about genre distictions? That's not a value judgment question, you can love games however you want. But based on what you said about Bayo/DD, Mario/Crash, and Yakuza - I gotta know.

Do you actually care about the design philosophy aspect of games? Again it's 100% fine if you just wanna buy a good time.
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Hell I only noted the distinction in the first place cause it's very urk'ful to me when people make direct comparisons between this and the old GoW. As a series, sure. Game mechanics? That's as jarring as comparing RE7 to the RE4; it's just a different ball game. All I'm sayin.
Making a judgemental comparison between the two is unfair, because as you stated, it's become apples and oranges.

You can absolutely make unbiased, informative comparisons about the two. I only stated that attacks feel weightier and have more heft to them. Because they do. Never said one was better than the other.
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Dork shouldnt be harsh at all. Just a true statement. Is dork still negitive? I thought that passed in the 90s
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I care about real genre distinctions and not subgenre distinctions as there is no fucking limit to how retarded those convos get. No diff than arguing sub genres of metal.

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Subgenre debates boil down to the guy with the most annoying fandom for a thing describing how his grain of sand is different because of some nuance that matters to him makes it TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

A genre is never about minor details. Horror and comedy. Not horror and slasher or worse slasher vs splatter
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Making a judgemental comparison between the two is unfair, because as you stated, it's become apples and oranges.
I didn't say anything was better than anything.
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I didn't say you did.
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- Call a guy an outdated geek term.
- If he complains, chastise him for being totally outdated.

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I care about real genre distinctions and not subgenre distinctions as there is no fucking limit to how retarded those convos get. No diff than arguing sub genres of metal.

Worst. Topic. Ever.
"You're wrong about a topic I don't care about."

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Subgenre debates boil down to the guy with the most annoying fandom for a thing describing how his grain of sand is different because of some nuance that matters to him makes it TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

A genre is never about minor details. Horror and comedy. Not horror and slasher or worse slasher vs splatter
I wasn't talking about minor details.

But I'm gonna lean on the side of your face that doesn't care and save it.
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I didn't say you did.
Gotcha.

But going back to my original point; GoW can't feel heavier because there is no prequel. It is mechanically a new game. The comparisons would be more broad (like comparing Mario Kart to Gran Turismo as general racing games). But more specific comparisons could be made between Mario Kart and Diddy Kong Racing.
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You are literally the only person who looked at that statement and thought that.

Everyone else thought "Oh, that's interesting. Thank you for giving me an example of how this God of War video game differs from other God of War video games."

Because you are weird.
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Old 05-02-2018, 02:45 AM   #12664
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Everyone except Triple A.

He probably read that and started thinking about guac.
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If that's weird than this simply isn't the place to discuss that sort of thing.
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Today's News:
1) For those interested, The Good Life recently managed to hit its Kickstarer goal of $619,000. The game is currently being developed by Swery (Deadly Premonition, D4) and was the second crowd funding attempt for the project.
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2) According to reports, the FTC has recently ruled console manufactures are currently violating their warranty rules and must tweak the terms or else face legal action against them. The issue revolves around the "void if removed" stickers on devices which have been ruled illegal if the manufacturer offers their own repair services for it.
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3) As promised, Rockstar Games released a new trailer for Red Dead Redemption 2 today.
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There's alot coming out this year that looks ace but i hope its as good as advertised. Looks mad short which is always knock for my tastes but im excited to play it.
It's not short. I've put hours and hours into it already. The main quest line is probably about average length. At least I think it is. I haven't even finished it yet. But I don't know if it's possible to just burn through the main story, as enemies get tougher and have their own levels. If you aren't exploring and finding more materials to craft better armor to up your stats, I don't know if you can get past later enemies.

Tons to see and do, including two realms that are purely challenge levels.

I'm actually wondering if they've already planned this to be a new trilogy, because like I said, I've already but in a ton of hours, and they've barely scraped the surface of the Norse Mythology lore.
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Fucking Star Field rumor mill in full swing yet again, for the upcoming E3.

Not holding my breath this time. For that, or ES6. I am hoping for Doom 2 though.
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2) God of War has recently become the fastest selling first party exclusive for the PS4 with around 3.1 million copies sold since launch.
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3) Newest beta firmware update for Steam included Switch Pro Controller support for PC games.
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4) Ubsioft recently released a new developers trailer for Beyond Good & Evil 2 showcasing traveling and co-op gameplay features.
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1) The World Video Game Hall of Fame announced this year's class of inductees are Final Fantasy VII, Tomb Raider (1996), Spacewar, and John Madden Football.
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2) FREEBIES - Activision announced Call of Duty WWII will be free to play this weekend for PC and are also currently holding a sale for the game on Steam.
https://www.destructoid.com/call-of-...d-501588.phtml

3) Activision announced they are both pleased and have increased their expectations for Spyro Reignited Trilogy due to pre-orders being a lot higher than their original estimates.
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Whats wrong with deleting games? Theyre free to redownload..aren't they?
I think so, but I deleted TESO: Tamriel Unlimited and Watch Dogs 2 and neither shows up in my library to re-download. Pisses me right the fuck off.
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Today's News:
1) EA announced a special Hans Solo themed season for Star Wars Battlefront II will be arriving soon as part of the promotion for the upcoming Solo film.
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2) Epic Games and Marvel are currently working together on a Thanos themed event for Fornite called "Infinity Gauntlet Limited Time Mashup" which starts on May 8th.
https://www.destructoid.com/uh-what-...r-501948.phtml

3) SNK is currently rumored to be working on a mini-Neo Geo console with 40 classic arcade games to be included.
https://www.destructoid.com/rumor-sn...e-501908.phtml

4) Based on recent job postings, Nintendo is currently hiring level designers for the next game in the Legend of Zelda series.
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20 games to start out with is legit. Really excited for the SNES games they will put on it.
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For some reason I thought State of Decay 2 wasn't coming out til September.

Just saw that it comes out later this month.

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Today's News:
1) Update to Nintendo announcing NES games for their paid online service news as the company announced they currently do not have plans to launch a Virtual Console section for the Switch's eShop.
https://www.destructoid.com/wow-nint...h-502062.phtml

2) Based on Capcom's recent fiscal report, Monster Hunter: World has sold around 7.9 million copies since its launch and helped contribute to the most profitable fiscal year in company history.
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