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Old 05-09-2023, 12:31 AM   #13841
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You sound a bit sore. It’s irrelevant what I quoted. The number I saw (and probably this Coppingham guy too) was 35k. I did a quick search and the only numbers I can find come from AEW. Not sure I’d call them reliable. I guess TK could have bought up a bunch of tickets himself too though. Doesn’t really have relevancy to the convo we are having though.
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Old 05-09-2023, 03:12 AM   #13842
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You sound a bit sore. It’s irrelevant what I quoted. The number I saw (and probably this Coppingham guy too) was 35k. I did a quick search and the only numbers I can find come from AEW. Not sure I’d call them reliable. I guess TK could have bought up a bunch of tickets himself too though. Doesn’t really have relevancy to the convo we are having though.
I think the only contradictions here have been: you getting the numbers wrong, and now you saying what Coppingham did - he said he was 'told', you're now saying he made the assessment himself?

I believe it was 35k sold on the first day of the presale. If I'm to believe you, this is basically the limit of what should have been sold. Since I'm helpful, I've got a headline written for Coppingham: "AEW Bucks the Trend in Unprecidented Sales Surge. Owner Tony Khan Kicks Out At One. World Record Breaking Ticket Purcahses."
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Old 05-09-2023, 05:09 AM   #13843
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I believe it was 35k sold on the first day of the presale.
And that’s when this guy commented. That’s literally all that matters. Nothing else is a “contradiction.” I don’t know why you’re so confused by this.
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And that’s when this guy commented. That’s literally all that matters. Nothing else is a “contradiction.” I don’t know why you’re so confused by this.
He commented that the arena was only set up for 40k, then made an allusion about other events on the arena that were neither here nor there.

You yourself have gone back and forth on the numbers, the meaning of his statement, his motivations. I'm just trying to understand what happened and this guy's professional assessment?

Is it very strange and unusual that 35k tickets had sold on day 1 of the presale, but the presale ended up at 50k and then general sale added another 10-20k sales in a few days? That seems to be the heart of what we're establishing here - that when 35k tickets were sold, that was basically considered the limit. Have your socks been blown off by the updated numbers? Has this ESPN guy been floored by a massive unexpected turnaround? Why did he get it so wrong? What happened?
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Old 05-09-2023, 11:28 AM   #13845
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He commented that the arena was only set up for 40k, then made an allusion about other events on the arena that were neither here nor there.

You yourself have gone back and forth on the numbers, the meaning of his statement, his motivations. I'm just trying to understand what happened and this guy's professional assessment?

Is it very strange and unusual that 35k tickets had sold on day 1 of the presale, but the presale ended up at 50k and then general sale added another 10-20k sales in a few days? That seems to be the heart of what we're establishing here - that when 35k tickets were sold, that was basically considered the limit. Have your socks been blown off by the updated numbers? Has this ESPN guy been floored by a massive unexpected turnaround? Why did he get it so wrong? What happened?
Yes, he did make that comment after 35k seemed to be the number. I don’t think his comments about other events are neither here nor there.

No, I haven’t gone back and forth on the numbers. You’ve tricked yourself on that one. I saw 35k and only yesterday found Forbes articles quoting AEW themselves saying 60k. I’ve speculated on where this guy might have been coming from. What makes sense to me is that he looked at the numbers released and/or heard things. That’s obviously stung Tony Khan, hence his nervous response.

I don’t really trust the latest numbers to be honest lol. They seem to come from AEW themselves or hardcore fans speculating. I wouldn’t be shocked if Tony Khan bought up tickets or scalpers did scale up the sales, but I think we’re a little way off from seeing what actual attendance for this thing is.
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What I don’t believe is Nick Khan calling in favors with ESPN journalists to put their credibility on the line to make statements that are going to be demonstrably false in a day. That sounds like a Tony Khan construct to me.
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Yes, he did make that comment after 35k seemed to be the number. I don’t think his comments about other events are neither here nor there.

No, I haven’t gone back and forth on the numbers. You’ve tricked yourself on that one. I saw 35k and only yesterday found Forbes articles quoting AEW themselves saying 60k. I’ve speculated on where this guy might have been coming from. What makes sense to me is that he looked at the numbers released and/or heard things. That’s obviously stung Tony Khan, hence his nervous response.

I don’t really trust the latest numbers to be honest lol. They seem to come from AEW themselves or hardcore fans speculating. I wouldn’t be shocked if Tony Khan bought up tickets or scalpers did scale up the sales, but I think we’re a little way off from seeing what actual attendance for this thing is.
Seems like quite the scandal. I'm sure I'll hear about it here first
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Old 05-09-2023, 12:57 PM   #13848
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Speaking of Ticket Sales...

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According to WrestleTix, Double or Nothing has currently filled a respectable 6,807 of the 9,872 seats for which the show is set up at Las Vegas's T-Mobile Arena or 69% of available tickets. Ticket movement has been slow, with only 222 tickets being distributed since the last update on April 5.

In addition to the slow sales, Double or Nothing has also set up a smaller capacity, with only 9,782 made available so far, down from last year's Double or Nothing, which sat over 13,000 fans.

Read More: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/1279515...in-last-month/
Why are they offering 3000+ less tickets for All Out?
Why have they sold only 222 tickets in the last month?
Why isn't Tiny talking about how Vegas is red hot for AEW?

Just seems strange he is completely ignoring All Out ticket sales, since he loves talking about ticket sales so much, right? Makes you wonder...
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Old 05-09-2023, 01:42 PM   #13849
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Is it common for AEW shows to sell a certain number of tickets and then double that amount? Seems like they start off with the interest they have and then it turns into a trickle. That’s why if the 60k number is true, I wouldn’t be shocked to discover they were secondary market or bought by Khan himself to distribute. Will be interesting to see how many people are actually in the building come show time.

Also, fuck that Double or Nothing number is disappointing. Between that and their ratings, I don’t know how anyone can argue that the product is “hot.” They obviously have to run new markets to achieve anything close to a sellout. They’ve run into trouble as soon as they go back to somewhere they’ve already run.
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Old 05-09-2023, 01:49 PM   #13850
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I will point out that the UK was one of the few markets white hot for TNA/Impact at one point. So, there is that.
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And how is that, exactly? Because I dont blindly cheerlead for them? I watch Dynamite, ive bought many of their PPVs, and have posted about lots of things they have done that I have enjoyed.

But that has been the point all along right? I think their public relation skills absolutely suck. They do everything possible to look like idiots.

And why do you only have my word for it? Ive never seen WWE wrestlers or Execs do something like brag about not being racist because they employ people of color. Ive never seen WWE personal telling people who offer the slightest criticism to go fuck yourself or shove it up your ass. Ive never seen anybody in WWE spaz out over AEW running a show. There are countless websites that cover everything wrestling, where are all the stories about Triple H berating fans on Twitter?

If they werent so childish, and werent led by a spoiled weirdo, they would be so much more enjoyable.
Dunno man. Seeing is believing.
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A cool bill for AEW over 5 years? Is that good?
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The only downfall of the ignore feature is that you still know who can't get off AEW's dick. *cough weathervane cough* SHAME!!!!!
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It’s gone beyond the point that they can even rattle off specifics. It’s devolved into “AEW is great, trust me.”
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A cool bill for AEW over 5 years? Is that good?
Not really. My prediction for the TV deal would be TK pushing for the total amount of his current deal over one year of the new deal. That would be ~$180 million per year, which is less than what WWE currently charges for 2 hours of their content.

Over 5 years, $180 mil pa is $900 million. That’s pretty close. Keep in mind that Rampage and this new Collision show are a part of that, plus any specials and the possible back library (if they’re even interested in that), it’s not really surprising at all.

Given that Warner currently splits ad revenue and pays $45 million in rights fees for Dynamite, the show should currently have an estimated value of at least $450 million over 5 years under the current arrangement for Warner to not be losing their ass on it.

I also guessed that when the deal was announced, Dave Meltzer and the like would make a huge deal about it, act like it’s the biggest thing ever and AEW has won, ignoring that the deal still takes them under 1 of WWE’s current shows, and that WWE is probably about to negotiate to roughly double that.
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If WWE doubles it’s TV rights when their deals are up and gets $1 billion per year out of Raw and SmackDown, that means AEW would be getting $50 million per year versus $200 million per hour each year of their contract, putting AEW’s hourly value at about 25% of what WWE’s will likely be. That seems about in line.
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Once upon a time I made a thread about what WWE was going to do with all their new deal money. I am wondering what AEW will do.

Unlike WWE, AEW is private so they don't have to worry about stockholders. I wonder if the first of the new money would go towards paying Shad back. The early talk was Shad fronted the money at the chance of obtaining a lucrative rights deal. As time went on that changed to Shad letting Tony blow some of his inheritance while Shad was still around.

If the new TV deal can cut the dependence of Shad's money out of the equation, will Tony overspend even more? If he is giving 6 year deals to Brian Cage now, what happens when he needs no approval? Should be interesting to see.
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It will be interesting to see if talent ask for more money or if he can get more WWE guys and girls to sacrifice their dignity to appear on his show for obscene amounts of money. I doubt any of it helps the quality as long as he wants to be creatively in charge.
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Apparently people with Amazon preorders for Fight Forever are receiving emails giving an estimated release date of January 2024. Because they totally know what they are doing.
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Pretty sure those e-mails went out a long while ago. Amazon sets those dates up purely placeholders when they don't have an actual release date.

That said it's beyond comical now that the game was announced like 900 days ago and yet you're able to play as Cody in a WWE game earlier than this game ever comes out.
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I was willing to forgive the long release time for a while, wanting them to get it right vs. rushing it out. But we've gone well beyond that point now. There's absolutely no reason they couldn't have put out a perfectly functionable wrestling game by now with a few basic match types, a decent roster, and a story mode to get the ball rolling.

These kind of delays can really only be that Kenny or whoever keeps wanting more shit added, not realizing the amount of work that actually goes into it since every single thing you add not only requires programming/coding but also carries the risk of breaking something else, requiring even more cleanup.

The stories that come out about this game's development will be amazing.
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I always wondered if the CM Punk thing has anything to do with the game being delayed. Since he was on the cover and would help the game sell... maybe they wanted to make sure they're "allowed" to put him in the game and back on the cover? idk if that has anything to do with it, but just wondering!
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I always wondered if the CM Punk thing has anything to do with the game being delayed. Since he was on the cover and would help the game sell... maybe they wanted to make sure they're "allowed" to put him in the game and back on the cover? idk if that has anything to do with it, but just wondering!
I don’t think so. The rumors were that Punk was just going to be left in the game because it would be too much effort/money to take him out. Plus they probably paid for his music and all that. Cody is still scheduled to be in the game.

It’s way more important to put in dancing mini-games and Molotov cocktails than it is to get the game out in timely fashion.

By the way, I still say it looks like shit — both in terms of aesthetics and how smooth the gameplay doesn’t look.

This game is just going to make people want to whip out their N64s and play No Mercy. It’s going to be like when Homer Simpson designed the car.
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FTR Bald and Hair out there running his mouth again that All In will be the most important show in professional wrestling history

Why they have to go full on hyperbolic for every single thing ever? Seriously if they stop setting impossible expectations they wouldnt have so many letdowns.
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The All In show hasn’t happened yet guys. Let’s see how mad you are when you’re left off the card.
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The All In show hasn’t happened yet guys. Let’s see how mad you are when you’re left off the card.
Yep, reports are already coming out that talent is upset that Will Asspray is going to get a All In match while they are not.
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At this point the games on the never never for me.

Not a bad week all around for AEW, TV deal sounds like a solid step up for a business of there age, British event selling well.

While the ratings trend is a concern to me as an uneducated watcher of those things the company paying for the product dont appear to be phased so theres either more to it or AEW has been outperforming in the networks eyes to date.

I would love to know where this new TV deal leaves them from a P&L point of view but I have no doubt there will be plenty of internet conjecture to draw whatever conclusion suits in the coming months/years.
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Yep, reports are already coming out that talent is upset that Will Asspray is going to get a All In match while they are not.
Maybe Tony Khan will fit everyone on the show and give them 0.00008 seconds of screen time each?
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Can't wait until some people on here find out that the episode title for the CM Punk's return is "The Second Coming"
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Who else can't wait for CM Punk, the guy who took 3rd place out of 3 people in a MMA Senior's tournament, to return to wrestling and get injured again? Such good shit!!!!!!!

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