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Old 07-20-2021, 12:37 AM   #1361
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Old 07-20-2021, 12:55 AM   #1362
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lol idgaf if people don’t like AEW. I like most of what they do but they certainly aren’t perfect and nobody here is staunchly defending everything they do.
Just like every other disenfranchised fan hoping that a multi million dollar company would cater to their pedestrian taste. You lot like to think that you're all so smart but in reality you're all just sheep. No wonder Meltzer makes a living selling snake oil and shaming female competitors.
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:00 AM   #1363
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:06 AM   #1364
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There's so much to enjoy from tonight's episode.

1. Riddle and Cena's interaction was perfect.
2. Viking Raiders and Jaxson Ryker winning their respective matches. WWE giving newer talents a chance?
3. Sheamus dominating cruiserweights. Can't wait for the bully to get his comeuppance.
4. Sheamus AR and entrance package being gorgeous.
5. Mustafa Ali and Mansoor teaming up next week. WWE giving newer talents a chance?
6. Lashley overcoming a fan favorite and cementing his legacy as a credible world champion as he moves forward to defeating Goldberg at summerslam.
7. Mahal's henchman getting destroyed by x number of chair shots.
8. Eva Marie being fantastic in her role.
8. Keeping Rhea Ripley strong as she put on a valiant effort in the title match.
9. Nikki finally becoming champion.
10. Jeff Hardy's amazing theme song.

If you didn't get anything out of the three hours, there's something really wrong with you.
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:30 AM   #1365
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Just like every other disenfranchised fan hoping that a multi million dollar company would cater to their pedestrian taste. You lot like to think that you're all so smart but in reality you're all just sheep. No wonder Meltzer makes a living selling snake oil and shaming female competitors.
I don’t pay a dime for any subscribed wrestling content. I only pay using AEW PPV because it’s worth $25 every few months to watch a show I’m likely to enjoy. If they ever want monthly PPV mode I wouldn’t purchase every show and what I like about the product would prob suffer because monthly PPVs either means rematches or rushing storylines.

In the post MITB Raw in 2011, the show drew nearly 5 million TV viewers. A decade later and Raw is hitting record low numbers and routinely finishing with less than 2 million viewers. Something doesn’t add up there, and it’s not because those missing 3-4 million people have pedestrian taste or are sheep. When tv shows get bad, or stale, or never reward their viewers with satisfying payoffs, people stop watching. WWE isn’t losing nearly three quarters of their audience because Dave Meltzer is selling rumors on the internet. It’s because their product just isn’t any good, their roster stale, and very little if anything they’re producing is entertaining, intriguing, or exciting.

Vince McMahon is insane. It keeps doing the same shit over and over again despite the results being the same; declining ratings, declining interest and apathetic crowds. He’s getting paid a shit ton of money to produce content and that’s great for him. His business acumen is undeniable. But his creativity clearly isn’t speaking to people anymore and the fact that they’re continually losing their audience speaks to that.
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:33 AM   #1366
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Just like every other disenfranchised fan hoping that a multi million dollar company would cater to their pedestrian taste. You lot like to think that you're all so smart but in reality you're all just sheep. No wonder Meltzer makes a living selling snake oil and shaming female competitors.
And I never had hopes they’d appease my tastes. I just hoped they’d produce simple and quality storytelling that they’ve shown they’re capable of, instead of churning out the same old shit week after week. And when they stopped entertaining me, I just turned it off, like 3 million other people, and found something else to watch instead of hoping one day WWE would be good again.
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:34 AM   #1367
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:41 AM   #1368
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There's so much to enjoy from tonight's episode.

1. Riddle and Cena's interaction was perfect.
2. Viking Raiders and Jaxson Ryker winning their respective matches. WWE giving newer talents a chance?
3. Sheamus dominating cruiserweights. Can't wait for the bully to get his comeuppance.
4. Sheamus AR and entrance package being gorgeous.
5. Mustafa Ali and Mansoor teaming up next week. WWE giving newer talents a chance?
6. Lashley overcoming a fan favorite and cementing his legacy as a credible world champion as he moves forward to defeating Goldberg at summerslam.
7. Mahal's henchman getting destroyed by x number of chair shots.
8. Eva Marie being fantastic in her role.
8. Keeping Rhea Ripley strong as she put on a valiant effort in the title match.
9. Nikki finally becoming champion.
10. Jeff Hardy's amazing theme song.

If you didn't get anything out of the three hours, there's something really wrong with you.
1. Riddle is cringeworthy minus Orton
2. Viking Raiders will go back to doing nothing in a few months, as usual, and Ryker is boring AF and a black hole for charisma
3. Sheamus vs Humberto has happened umpteen times
4. He does have a good entrance, I like Lashley's as well
5. See Viking Raiders, really a shame in Mustafa's case too
6. Lashley will likely drop the title to Goldberg to increase RAW ratings IMO
7. Jinder is boring, ditto for hench people
8. Rhea is lame
9. Nikki is lame
10. I'm indifferent to this but many do like it, so I give you that
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:46 AM   #1369
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And I never had hopes they’d appease my tastes. I just hoped they’d produce simple and quality storytelling that they’ve shown they’re capable of, instead of churning out the same old shit week after week. And when they stopped entertaining me, I just turned it off, like 3 million other people, and found something else to watch instead of hoping one day WWE would be good again.
You really feel strongly about this considering that you stopped watching it a long time ago because the product sucked. It's like coming back to a toxic ex because the sex was insane am I right?

Since you're fixated on the declining viewership, let's talk about WWE's record profit numbers and how they've signed huge deals with USA / Peacock, Fox and countless outlets overseas. They're incredibly profitable and doing just fine with or without you. At the end of the day, it's a successful business and have pioneered their industry.
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:49 AM   #1370
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Man if they put the belt back on Goldberg lol. A match against Roman would make way more sense for Goldberg since I don’t remember him getting his match with Roman done because of covid.

The Cena match is a slam dunk angle to go with for summer slam. But after that, I would’ve been good with Goldberg challenging for survivor series, and hopefully the Rock at Mania. Hell, maybe bring in the brinks truck and Lesnar for rumble title shot. Just let Roman spend the next 8 months running thru the stars of the past until you build/find someone worthy of dethroning him.
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:54 AM   #1371
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You really feel strongly about this considering that you stopped watching it a long time ago because the product sucked. It's like coming back to a toxic ex because the sex was insane am I right?

Since you're fixated on the declining viewership, let's talk about WWE's record profit numbers and how they've signed huge deals with USA / Peacock, Fox and countless outlets overseas. They're incredibly profitable and doing just fine with or without you. At the end of the day, it's a successful business and have pioneered their industry.
I already mentioned and credited Vince for his business acumen and ability to get corporations to pay him lots of money to produce weekly content. There’s no argument there.

That still has nothing to do with declining viewership or your silly claims that it’s the pedestrian tastes of marks and not a crappy product that’s driven away most of their viewership.

And I’ve not come back. The only reason I know what’s going on is because of this board. I skimmed thru all the PPV and skipped Raw completely because after watching a mediocre smackdown I couldn’t find the energy to sit thru a three hour wrestling show for a product that I don’t enjoy anymore.
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Old 07-20-2021, 01:58 AM   #1372
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1. Riddle is cringeworthy minus Orton
2. Viking Raiders will go back to doing nothing in a few months, as usual, and Ryker is boring AF and a black hole for charisma
3. Sheamus vs Humberto has happened umpteen times
4. He does have a good entrance, I like Lashley's as well
5. See Viking Raiders, really a shame in Mustafa's case too
6. Lashley will likely drop the title to Goldberg to increase RAW ratings IMO
7. Jinder is boring, ditto for hench people
8. Rhea is lame
9. Nikki is lame
10. I'm indifferent to this but many do like it, so I give you that
Excuse you sir. Riddle is consistently putting on amazing matches without the need for straps, exploding barb wires or coffin drops. I do think he'd benefit from a focus group though. It's hip and very unoriginal to hate Riddle. He's the highlight of the raw brand.

Creating new stars often means taking chances. Ryker is much better than Dominick Mysterio but unfortunately his political views do not line up with the fans so it's easy to hate him. How dare they even take chances or try? Ripley is floundering but she still has a long way to go. Orton's first reign as champion didn't even last a month. Nikki's far from lame. Her new superhero gimmick has potential but you and twitter have already made up your mind.

Also Mahal is a throwback and far from boring.
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Old 07-20-2021, 02:04 AM   #1373
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I already mentioned and credited Vince for his business acumen and ability to get corporations to pay him lots of money to produce weekly content. There’s no argument there.

That still has nothing to do with declining viewership or your silly claims that it’s the pedestrian tastes of marks and not a crappy product that’s driven away most of their viewership.

And I’ve not come back. The only reason I know what’s going on is because of this board. I skimmed thru all the PPV and skipped Raw completely because after watching a mediocre smackdown I couldn’t find the energy to sit thru a three hour wrestling show for a product that I don’t enjoy anymore.
You're not so bad after all. I too enjoy skimming through content and voicing my opinion because it saves me time and gives me an opportunity to blow off some steam. I'll admit that WWE's current product leaves a lot to be desired but it isn't all bad. Sunday was spectacular and all ppvs showcase amazing in ring competition just like AEW but without the gimmicks for the most part.
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I liked Riddle's "Fight Pit" match w/ Timothy Thatcher in NXT and I thought that gimmick match had good potential for the main roster (much more so than RAW Underground). I personally find the no shoes thing weird because feet are disgusting but I won't hold that against him as a wrestler.

I think his main roster character has been very dumb and cringey personally (ditto for Nikki) but he could overcome it in time, I'd be fine with being wrong on that.
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I liked Riddle's "Fight Pit" match w/ Timothy Thatcher in NXT and I thought that gimmick match had good potential for the main roster (much more so than RAW Underground). I personally find the no shoes thing weird because feet are disgusting but I won't hold that against him as a wrestler.

I think his main roster character has been very dumb and cringey personally (ditto for Nikki) but he could overcome it in time, I'd be fine with being wrong on that.
Riddle is pandering to Vince's sensibilities. He's a smart man and knows what will make him successful. The man is self aware, talented and a prick. He's got it all.

Nikki created the new character and it is as pure as the woman behind it. There's always room for straight babyfaces. It's refreshing to see a non edgy character for a change.
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Karrion Kross barely looked bigger than Hardy last night, lulz. Also, they had him job? wtflol????


So dumb. He was lip syncing Scarlett's part of the song too and now I picture him sounding like The Undertaker from Suburban Commando.
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Watched Raw highlights. Holy shit, get rid of Kevin Dunn. Not doing my ironic praise of WWE thing, the booking here was actually really clever in certain places. They really managed to make Drew McIntyre look good, and a lot of the things they are holding back on are going to be able to be played out in coming weeks.

The Hardy/Kross stuff works because, let’s face it — Kross is not Goldberg. Nor does he have that potential. Now Kross has an actual program and is forever going to be linked to the guy. They could do a Ladder Match at a PPV over a belt in two years or whatever and it could have a feel to it. Plus, I’m pretty sure they are going to bring in Scarlett to “ramp up” the act and have Kross focused by her.

Plus, it reminds people that the only show AEW can beat is where the rookies play. Their champion just got outfoxed because this isn’t the minor leagues, son. And that could always turn into something down there.

But god damn, those camera cuts. It’s a ridiculous idea and they are insane for thinking that is a good idea and doing it deliberately. Just ending that shit will increase viewers by several hundred thousand right there.
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Old 07-20-2021, 04:26 PM   #1383
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I’m convinced that the Cena/Riddle stuff and Riddle dropping his first name is because Vince didn’t get Riddle at first, but then felt like he “got him” and his name is Riddle? Ha! Perfect.
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Even the Alexa Bliss stuff was toned down from what it could have been. It’s still horrible. Hopefully they leave the magic to AEW. Keep Alexa in that MITB gear though.
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Still under 2 million even with advertising Cena
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Alexa's new gear is good and I agree they should keep it.

I cannot describe how much I dislike Kevin Dunn's zooms/camera cuts. Even more than the booking it is the primary thing that makes it difficult to watch WWE, in my opinion.
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Poor Impact, they arent very impactful when it comes to ratings
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Roughly 3 million people lost in the past decade. Ouch.
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Everyone watches Raw on the Network/streaming devices. They are probably getting like 5-6 millions viewers in reality.
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Are those streaming numbers factored in/tracked somewhere?
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So John Cena brought the average up an extra 330k viewers even though he was advertised at the top of the show? That’s not bad at all.

That’s about 1/3 of AEW’s entire audience right there.
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I wonder what it’d look like if you took the peak of Raw’s viewership and compared it to AEW. You know, like how the reverse is done.
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Sling/Hulu Live/Youtube TV all are counted in the live viewers
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I'm sure USA/WWE are fine with this number tbh. Post MITB Raw usually gets a 10% bump and they got a 20% bump.
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There's so much to enjoy from tonight's episode.

1. Riddle and Cena's interaction was perfect.
No arguments here
2. Viking Raiders and Jaxson Ryker winning their respective matches. WWE giving newer talents a chance?
Ryker sucks And the WWe doesnt really have a tag team division
3. Sheamus dominating cruiserweights. Can't wait for the bully to get his comeuppance. Boring
4. Sheamus AR and entrance package being gorgeous.
5. Mustafa Ali and Mansoor teaming up next week. WWE giving newer talents a chance?
Ali is sucking the life out of Mansoor
6. Lashley overcoming a fan favorite and cementing his legacy as a credible world champion as he moves forward to defeating Goldberg at summerslam. No one gives a fuck about Goldberg but old fucks. Lee was wasted here
7. Mahal's henchman getting destroyed by x number of chair shots.\
A dastardly deed wasted on the henchman of heel that couldn't get heat if you lit him on fire
8. Eva Marie being fantastic in her role.
The Wwe has more talented eye candy that Eva..
8. Keeping Rhea Ripley strong as she put on a valiant effort in the title match.\ Thev have made her look like shit since she has won the title and doubt this will change anytime soon.
9. Nikki finally becoming champion.
She the chew toy Rhea and Charlotte will be playing keep away with making her title reign worthless and done by Survivor seers at the latest

10. Jeff Hardy's amazing theme song.
Hardy should be ending his career with his brother in AEW rather than jobbing for nothing in the WWe

If you didn't get anything out of the three hours, there's something really wrong with you.
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They’re making piles money to put their TV shows on plus getting more revenue for loaning out the network. They’re not going to care and shouldn’t until the tv deals are up and the money starts talking a hit because of declining viewership.
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Pretty crazy that Eva Marie helped raise Raw's viewership by 300,000+
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Watched this yesterday, skipped some stuff. Hadn't seen Eva Marie since her return. This gimmick seems v good for her.
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I cannot describe how much I dislike Kevin Dunn's zooms/camera cuts. Even more than the booking it is the primary thing that makes it difficult to watch WWE, in my opinion.
It literally makes some segments unwatchable. That drew/jinder chair shot stuff was so bad.
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