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Old 05-24-2023, 01:34 PM   #14081
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Also, does anybody else have that clause, or can Hangman just tell him Colt Cabana is better, and then when Phil melts down again and gets sued, is Hangman going to be the biggest babyface in wrestling?
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Yeah, it’s not very inspiring. It combines the worst things about AEW with the worst things about CM Punk.
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Old 05-24-2023, 03:12 PM   #14083
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Fight Forever looks FUCKING HORRIBLE! Holy shit, so bad.

Orange Cassidy and Evil Uno played a Britt Baker vs. Chris Jericho match. The arena looks so bleak. They could barely work out the controls. There are countouts (has there ever been a countout in an AEW match?). The characters jump around. Their moves look clunky as fuck to execute. Britt Baker just effortlessly performs tilt-a-whirl backbreakers on Chris Jericho.

It’s ugly. It’s clunky. The physics look ridiculous.

Has Jericho ever used a running Judas Effect, by the way? I don’t pay enough attention. If not, welp, that’s one of his finishes in Fight Forever.
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Old 05-24-2023, 03:23 PM   #14084
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But at least you get to shoot off as much pyro as you want during your entrance. Very important to add that feature even if you can’t get running the ropes right.
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Old 05-24-2023, 04:12 PM   #14085
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Quite liked what I saw out of the short Fight Forever stream today. Seemed to nail the AKI arcadey vibe they were going for.

Appears that everyone has different skills and attributes, allowing them to excel in certain areas of the match (striking, high flying, etc), this was more or less confirmed by the achievements list but I'm glad it's there anyway. As even in an arcade fighter, everyone usually has unique skillsets.

Seemed to me from what was shown that the CPU controlled wrestlers were behaving like their real-life counterparts. CPU Jericho kept sliding out of the ring and taunting when he was trying to calm his opponents' momentum.
CPU MJF attacked before the bell, heeled it up constantly and has a headlock takeover signature move which I thought was cool as the animation mimicked the way he pinned Darby.

OC has his sloth style which is more or less the equivalent of changing stance in a fighting game. And with that there are presumably a whole bunch of moves specific with that stance, though the real life OC didn't know the controls so really we just saw him block a few strikes, hit a dropkick and do a pin in that stance. Very cool feature though and the "stances" could open up options for different talent.

Can't say I care about the entrances, controlling your pyro or anything. Actually prefer the entrances being short as I usually end up skipping them in 2k after the first couple of times I see it.

Still can't say I'm rushing to drop 70 bucks off of what is still relatively little footage, but it seems fun. Hopefully they put out more footage/discuss more features over the next 6 weeks.

Anyone who was expecting the game to look like the 2k series or strive for simulation gameplay vs. arcadey gameplay has paid no attention to what they've been saying about the game since day one.
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Old 05-24-2023, 04:25 PM   #14086
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One of the achievements is to play a match with at least 50 wrestlers, which, unless you're expected to supplement this total with CAWs, would mean at least 50 are in the game, possibly slightly more.

Only 30 have been announced so far either through screenshots or various write-ups.

-Adam Cole
-Adam Page
-Brodie Lee
-Bryan Danielson
-Chris Jericho
-CM Punk
-Cody Rhodes
-Darby Allin
-Jon Moxley
-Jungle Boy
-Kenny Omega
-Matt Hardy
-Matt Jackson
-MJF
-Miro
-Nick Jackson
-Orange Cassidy
-Owen Hart
-Paul Wight
-Penta El Zero Miedo
-Rey Fenix

-Abadon
-Britt Baker
-Hikaru Shida
-Jade Cargill
-Kris Statlander
-Nyla Rose
-Ruby Soho
-Thunder Rosa
-Yuka Sakazaki

The roster being dated has long been known, and it's also known that the career mode is meant to reflect the early days of AEW.

Having said that, it's tough for me to think of 20 more names that should be added without including FTR, who were reportedly scrapped from the main game and moved to DLC. Their exclusion is very dubious, especially since MJF has the fucking Pinnacle logo in his tron.
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Old 05-24-2023, 04:36 PM   #14087
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The inclusion of Abadon and Yuka Sakazaki continue to make me think they'll put practically every woman they have into the game. Brandi still being in would be unsurprising, no way she wouldn't have been in if she were still around and they've kept Cody in. Hell if they really are going to the beginning of AEW I'd mark out if Awesome Kong was in.

Supposedly The Bunny did voiceover work for story mode, while Butcher confirmed that he and Blade aren't in the game. Leaving the team out but putting Bunny in would point to them really just trying to shoehorn women in to make up the numbers and make it as close to equal as possible, even if it's at the expense of leaving out some bigger name male talent like FTR.
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Quite liked what I saw out of the short Fight Forever stream today. Seemed to nail the AKI arcadey vibe they were going for.

Appears that everyone has different skills and attributes, allowing them to excel in certain areas of the match (striking, high flying, etc), this was more or less confirmed by the achievements list but I'm glad it's there anyway. As even in an arcade fighter, everyone usually has unique skillsets.

Seemed to me from what was shown that the CPU controlled wrestlers were behaving like their real-life counterparts. CPU Jericho kept sliding out of the ring and taunting when he was trying to calm his opponents' momentum.
CPU MJF attacked before the bell, heeled it up constantly and has a headlock takeover signature move which I thought was cool as the animation mimicked the way he pinned Darby.

OC has his sloth style which is more or less the equivalent of changing stance in a fighting game. And with that there are presumably a whole bunch of moves specific with that stance, though the real life OC didn't know the controls so really we just saw him block a few strikes, hit a dropkick and do a pin in that stance. Very cool feature though and the "stances" could open up options for different talent.

Can't say I care about the entrances, controlling your pyro or anything. Actually prefer the entrances being short as I usually end up skipping them in 2k after the first couple of times I see it.

Still can't say I'm rushing to drop 70 bucks off of what is still relatively little footage, but it seems fun. Hopefully they put out more footage/discuss more features over the next 6 weeks.

Anyone who was expecting the game to look like the 2k series or strive for simulation gameplay vs. arcadey gameplay has paid no attention to what they've been saying about the game since day one.


Sorry, but the game looks shit and everybody knows it.
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Old 05-24-2023, 05:15 PM   #14089
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Butcher and Blade not being in the game is disappointing
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Sorry, but the game looks shit and everybody knows it.
I don't know how you could have ever played the N64 games and not see the similarities in movement, animation, and pace. If they were going for a new generation no mercy, then that stream is reassuring. As destor said a while back though, it all hinges on how it feels.

And how well it's been QA tested. It could feel exactly like the aki games, but if it's a buggy broken mess it won't matter.

70 dollars is a hard pill to swallow however, and I have to think its priced that way to recoup some of the losses of this game's awful mismanagement.

I'm already throwing down 70 for street fighter 6 next month so this game will have to wait.
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I played No Mercy and had a lot of fun. It pushed the limits of the N64. 23 fucking years ago. Part of No Mercy’s charm was that it had almost everybody and everything you could think of as a fan…at that time.

They’re clearly trying to do the same style of gameplay. Hold A for strong grapple or whatever. But you can tell by looking at it how fiddly, clunky and out of date this is. Look at the physics of how moves are executed, or how they’re not.

If you want to play No Mercy…go and play No Mercy. You’ll probably be able to create a more up to date roster.
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Quite a few people here are going to owe me a Coke when it turns out I am 100% right about this.
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Butcher and Blade not being in the game is disappointing
I havent followed the game roster closely but im hoping there will be some DLC with guys like them at some point.

looks like Punks in for Collision I guess based on the location. Cant say I'm too bothered either way for Punk but its interesting none the less.

Kinda feels like the whole FTR contract situation where AEW is working the internet pretty effectively. Whatever you believe about it its driving engagement which is what almost all companies look for nowadays in social spaces. Hopefully it lands better than the FTR thing did which felt a bit played out by the end of it for me.
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I played No Mercy and had a lot of fun. It pushed the limits of the N64. 23 fucking years ago. Part of No Mercy’s charm was that it had almost everybody and everything you could think of as a fan…at that time.

They’re clearly trying to do the same style of gameplay. Hold A for strong grapple or whatever. But you can tell by looking at it how fiddly, clunky and out of date this is. Look at the physics of how moves are executed, or how they’re not.

If you want to play No Mercy…go and play No Mercy. You’ll probably be able to create a more up to date roster.
And theres a lot of people that still play it today along with many other games of decades past. Good gameplay is timeless. If they can successfuly tap into that, the game might have a chance.
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Quite a few people here are going to owe me a Coke when it turns out I am 100% right about this.
Literally no one has promised it's going to be good. At most, people have noted a positive sign here and there, but always accompanied by cautious trepidation. Anyone can see the red flags, but people aren't focused solely on that, because as destor and I clearly stated in our last discussion about this, people want them to succeed here so there's more than just wwe 2k on the market. God forbid.
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If the Dallas Stars win tomorrow night...the next game goes back to T-Mobile in Vegas Saturday night.

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And theres a lot of people that still play it today along with many other games of decades past. Good gameplay is timeless. If they can successfuly tap into that, the game might have a chance.
I am telling you: This will not have good gameplay.
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I mean you may be right Noid. But it’s not the bragging rights victory you’ll hope it’ll be. Mostly, it’ll be people playing the game and going “jeez this isn’t as good as it shoulda been. Damn. Oh well time to live my life.”

They won’t be like, “wow I wish I listened to Noid, the king of everything and the smartest person in existence.”
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Butcher and Blade not being in the game is disappointing
The "rumor" is that the first DLC will drop pretty soon after launch and would be a tag team-laden expansion which I guess would include B&B, FTR, The Acclaimed, maybe the Dark Order etc depending on who was left out of the initial launch

If they really do this game as being a continuous 3-4 year project where they keep adding new wrestlers, modes, etc it could easily end up with 100+ by the time they're done. But of course, DLC will come at a cost so I'd have to see what they're charging. Invariably if you buy all the DLC put out at some point it'll equate to buying a whole new game, even if it's a couple of years down the road.
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I despise DLC so much.... back in my day you just sold a complete game...
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I despise DLC so much.... back in my day you just sold a complete game...
It depends. Sometimes you get a complete game, and then they add on to it. Witcher 3, Tekken 7, etc. Games that have a wealth of content at launch and add on what wasn't in the budget to be put in from the start.

But you've obviously got people abusing it and cutting content to sell it later and milk more profit. As well as all the aggregious micro transactions.

But it' s not an inherently bad system.
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Unfortunately, given what they're charging for the game itself, I'm expecting any dlc to be overpriced.
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Britt Baker just effortlessly performs tilt-a-whirl backbreakers on Chris Jericho.

It’s ugly. It’s clunky. The physics look ridiculous.
And another thing, this is a positive. Hate when they overcomplicated things with every rassler having "stats" and "overall rankings" or whatever. I like being whoever I want and being able to do whatever to whoever. I remember back in the day with WCW/NWO one of the first things my friend and I did was have an "epic match" between Eric Bischoff and Sting. Probably with "rankings" or whatever in modern games it wouldn't have been as good.
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And another thing, this is a positive. Hate when they overcomplicated things with every rassler having "stats" and "overall rankings" or whatever. I like being whoever I want and being able to do whatever to whoever. I remember back in the day with WCW/NWO one of the first things my friend and I did was have an "epic match" between Eric Bischoff and Sting. Probably with "rankings" or whatever in modern games it wouldn't have been as good.
No, it’s not going to be a good thing. The execution for this stuff is going to be stiff as hell. You can tell by how Cassidy and Uno were playing it. This game gives the impression it should play like No Mercy, but is going to be impenetrable as hell.
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I mean you may be right Noid. But it’s not the bragging rights victory you’ll hope it’ll be. Mostly, it’ll be people playing the game and going “jeez this isn’t as good as it shoulda been. Damn. Oh well time to live my life.”

They won’t be like, “wow I wish I listened to Noid, the king of everything and the smartest person in existence.”
Of course it’s a shame. It’s also a shame anyone could have seen a mile away. It’s not about me being the smartest person in existence — it’s about how wilfully ignorant people are when it comes to this company and its bullshit (still).
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I don't know how many different ways I can say no one has said its going to be good. You're over here crucifying people just because they want to wait and see how it feels before they completely shit all over it.

This isn't about people being "willfully ignorant". It's about you not only wanting this game to fail, but salivating over the thought of it, because your hate boner for AEW has reached such a state of hardness, that it could pulverize diamonds into a fine mist.
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You don’t get it Fignuts!!!

PICK A FUCKING SIDE COCK SUCKER!!! YOU’RE EITHER AEW IS THE FUCKING BEST, FUCK VINCE, TONY IS A GAME CHANGER LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOO or AEW IS THE DIRT WORST FUCK TK THE FUCKING COKE HEAD MAN CHILD.

You cannot be a pragmatist and take anything at its merit or criticise where it’s due.
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"The scope of the deal, as it is, the length is the same," Khan said. "This is in addition to what we'd already put together. ... They reached out to us and gave us this great opportunity."

Read More: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/1296875...fects-tv-deal/
So ALL that confidence WBD has in AEW led to ZERO extra days in the length of their TV Deal? Are we even sure at this point WBD is paying AEW anything for Collision? Maybe Tiny is paying them Shad's money
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I don't know how many different ways I can say no one has said its going to be good. You're over here crucifying people just because they want to wait and see how it feels before they completely shit all over it.

This isn't about people being "willfully ignorant". It's about you not only wanting this game to fail, but salivating over the thought of it, because your hate boner for AEW has reached such a state of hardness, that it could pulverize diamonds into a fine mist.
And how many times do I have to say it would be lovely if it were good, but it’s obvious it’s not going to be. The “wait and see” method with this game, with this company, has expired.
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“Great opportunity” is a euphemism for “we didn’t get what we wanted.”
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By the way, Fignuts, I’ve totally gotten the “well actually” from quite a few people on here. I’m definitely going to wave my balls in their face when this is predictably the shits.
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It is the same everytime with this company. Paid shills and idiotic fans hype everything up as "just wait, it is going to be amazing", and it inevitably is a major letdown compared to the hype machine.

It is exactly the same situation with the game. This has been hyped for years as this monumental game achievement. This is not going to be some cultural phenomenon that sells millions upon millions of copies. It is a niche game for a niche fanbase, and that would be fine if they haven't overplayed their hand hyping it up the entire time.

Not 2 weeks ago, WBD was going to announce a 5 year $1.2 Billion TV/Max streaming deal. Instead, it ended up being a 2 hour Saturday night show. If that doesn't stand out as the prime example, then yes that is 100% Willful Ignorance.
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And how many times do I have to say it would be lovely if it were good, but it’s obvious it’s not going to be. The “wait and see” method with this game, with this company, has expired.
And I'm saying AEW has nothing to do with it. Everyone sees the same flags you do. No one is denying they exist. Not because they love aew, but because they love wrestling games. This could be a backyard wrestling game made by the krow in his basement and people would still be giving it the same chance they're giving Fight Forever.

The wrestling game landscape has been a barren wasteland for damn near two decades. You've had the choice of either WWE games which have been annually regurgitated mediocrity outside of the rare bright spot entry after fans complain enough, or Fire Pro, which as much as I love it, is an incredibly niche game that is absolutely not for everybody.

Wrestling game fans would be remiss to not give this game a chance and play it before summoning Kane to drag it into the depths of hell.
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By the way, Fignuts, I’ve totally gotten the “well actually” from quite a few people on here. I’m definitely going to wave my balls in their face when this is predictably the shits.
There might be a few of those on tpww, but I think most people here who watch aew get what enjoyment they can, and do criticize what they don't like. They may not criticize as much as you or I, but that doesn't make them shills.

If anyone did proclaim this game's critical and financial success at every turn, then by all means, teabag away.
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The thing about fighting games is youve gotta feel them to know if its good. But it looks like its going to play like i want it to and if it does, even in a year as stacked as this in the genre, itll be my fighting game of the year.

Conceptually this is THE format for wrestling games. If its as responsive as it needs to be with a stable frame rate and good netcoding... we're off to the races.

But i have to have it in my hands to know that. Theres a lot about the game that concerns me. Namely that im reasonably sure they ran out of money a year ago and have limped to the finish line.

This leads me to believe its going to be a buggy mess than doesnt get post launch support. This will live and die on performance.
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Gonna just have to wait and see on it. Might be a total mess at launch but if they can patch it up and turn it around maybe they'll save a little face. Hope for the best, expect the worst.
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So I got tix to both Chicago shows with Punk *supposedly" coming back. Not sure what to expect from the crowd since this isn't the 7-year absence it was before. We've started and stopped Punk runs a couple of times in his AEW career so its not going to be as huge a pop as the First Dance. I don't even think they'll sell out TBH. They're calling it The Second Coming and I find it funny because they used Punk to launch Rampage and it immediately because an afterthought. Now they're using him to launch another show......

I'm a huge Punk mark but they need a long injury and drama free run from Punk here or whatever wind is left in those sails will be gone.
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