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Old 04-12-2011, 10:03 PM   #1401
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Finally figuring out part of what bugs me about the GL movie. Please compare Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan:



With Ben Stiller as Furious in Mystery Men:
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:32 PM   #1402
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Just saying... Ben Stiller to me is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
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I liked Mystery Men.
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Fucking hate this costume. I've seen a lot of pictures of it but this is the first full-length view and the thing that I think I hate the most is the toes. You can see his fucking toes. I'm sorry, but I can't take a superhero seriously this way - his legs look like The Swamp Man's. Superheroes should wear awesome boots.

And I hate his hair, too, but that's neither here nor there.
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With the mask on he looks a lot like a skinny Will Ferrell.
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Gotta agree with Fox on this one, the toes just kill it for me. I don't even know why..it just looks so fucking stupid. This is going to be awful.
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Never noticed the toes before. WTF that is just terrible. Conjure yourself up some real boots, man.
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Old 04-13-2011, 12:46 PM   #1410
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I also hate his toes. If he is wearing clothes, his toes should be covered.
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You can see the outline of his belly-button in the first picture, too. That is just not superhero-ish or manly at all. Why can't we see the outline of his cock and balls while they're at it? I mean, at least keep continuity here. If you can see the exact outline of his toes, his belly-button, you should be able to see his dick and nuts.

This outfit just has faillure written all over it. How no one pointed out that this costume makes a good superhero look like a green homo erotic fairy and let it get all the way through production is beyond me.
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I mean, is there something WRONG with this costume?



Why not stick with what works and has worked for years and years?
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"Artist interpretation."

Sometimes it means something as cool as Batman's Dark Knight suit. And sometimes it Hal Jordan's skin suit.
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Making the suit all CGI was a gimmick from the get-go. Saying it's for any other reason is quite stupid.
They could have him doing the same mocap and actions in a basic suit with enhancements.

So I think they made a suit of all CGI just to make a suit of all CGI as some kind of accomplishment. The only problem is it came out horrible, as many feared it would. Somewhere along the lines they should have realized it wasn't going to be any good.

They can try to sell it with still frames all day, but anything in motion I've seen has been flat out bad.

I hate to let bad effects ruin a good movie. The problem is, the movie looks as shit and shallow as the suit.
I hope I'm wrong, but it's not looking good for GL. Oh well.
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Bad casting (at least for Hal), bad suit, story doesn't seem to serve the character...

Well I think we don't have to worry about Ryan being tied up for a sequel, he'll be totally free for Deadpool. WB will fail at GL and reboot it a few months after. Good luck to them.
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Fucking hate this costume. I've seen a lot of pictures of it but this is the first full-length view and the thing that I think I hate the most is the toes. You can see his fucking toes. I'm sorry, but I can't take a superhero seriously this way - his legs look like The Swamp Man's. Superheroes should wear awesome boots.

And I hate his hair, too, but that's neither here nor there.
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Gotta agree with Fox on this one, the toes just kill it for me. I don't even know why..it just looks so fucking stupid. This is going to be awful.
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Never noticed the toes before. WTF that is just terrible. Conjure yourself up some real boots, man.
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I also hate his toes. If he is wearing clothes, his toes should be covered.
If this isn't the height of nitpicking, I don't know what is. You guys are acting like a Saturday Night Live parody of fanboys.
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I don't care about toes or hair; I just think the CGI suit concept is a bad idea that will not pan out for them. It will get shat on come review time.
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If this isn't the height of nitpicking, I don't know what is. You guys are acting like a Saturday Night Live parody of fanboys.
I never own a single piece of Green Lantern merch, read any of his comics, or know a thing about him. I do know see his toes like that looks stupid and would make me nag about it the whole movie. Just like when batman had nipples. It is stupid and takes you out of the moment. Thus ruining the movie experience. If something that ruins a scene is nit picking, then I guess I'm a nit picking fan boy.

Also no one watches SNL anymore.
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If you just think it looks stupid, fine. But if something that will actually not be visible for probably 4/5 of the movie bothers you so that it "ruins" the whole film, you've got problems.
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I was just thinking about Spawn. Looking back on it, the CGI is obviously dated and looks shit, but the movie still does exactly what I think GL should have done.
Now you would be doing it with equal or greater practical effects, and far superior CGI and digital tools.
And a bigger budget.

It uses a practical suit, and effects to enhance it. The tangible suit looks amazing, and on top of that all kinds of special effects can be used to make the suit "living." It can transform, grow, show energy and all signs of being exactly what the GL suit is.

I get that the suit is the power of the ring/pure energy, but it's still a suit. It was always depicted as such, and that's how it manifests itself on him. So to act like it's above being a suit is stupid.
Especially when it comes to the mask. It's a Zorro mask. There is no reason to do that digitally other than to prove a point in going 100% CGI. As I said, that may be some goal, or maybe it's just a financial/laziness thing.

Mixing practical and digital effects allows them to get exactly what they're still going for, but just looks boatloads better and lends a great deal to the movie.

The same can be said for some other stuff I've seen. When GL uses his imagination to create some rocket-ship, or a giant fist and rock his opponents, that is where you use CGI. It's 100% called for an allows that aspect of the story to be possible. But when he imagines a gatling gun and laying down fire with that, why is that CGI? Wouldn't CGI be used for him materializing it, into a "real" gun (prop)?
It's that type of stuff that kills the worth of CGI as a filmmaking tool.

Anyways, that's just one example I thought of, and I'm sure there are better, or others.

What I'm saying is, the very concept of SFX use here has bothered me from the start and everything I've seen has furthered that.
I'm not hung up on the toes or the color scheme or anything like that. Just the big picture.

As I said, I still welcome a great movie but I have the doubts on that end even more so, and this is the type of film where painfully bad effects wall to wall may only turn up the volume on the bad story and turn it into a 2 hour headache.
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If you just think it looks stupid, fine. But if something that will actually not be visible for probably 4/5 of the movie bothers you so that it "ruins" the whole film, you've got problems.
Now that I know it is there it will. Also it isn't like I am the only one complaining about this. And I have seen many more people who don't like green lanterns toes on other sites. It just looks silly. Is Green Lantern suppose to be silly?
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Are you telling me you're seriously going to be sitting there, and no matter the quality of the story, or the acting, or the direction, or the FX, or whatever, even if all that ends up being top notch, you'll be sitting there thinking "If only I couldn't see his toes".
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Probably.

That's what people do. "Batman's suit has nipples", "Batman's voice is wierd", etc. It's all stuff that a few people notice and then people jump on it and it grows and becomes a stain on the movie.
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If this isn't the height of nitpicking, I don't know what is. You guys are acting like a Saturday Night Live parody of fanboys.
I never said that I wouldn't like the movie just because you can see the outline of his toes. I've overlooked far more stupid decisions in movies in order to enjoy them or give them a chance. What I'm saying is that the whole concept of having his feet and legs look he's wearing chronic-green spandex leggings is stupid and not "super-hero-ish" at all. Name one other superhero who runs around in their bare feet. It feels like a decision that was made by the designers of the GL costume that was extremely poorly thought out and one that was made really without taking the hardcore fans into consideration (of which I am not one, btw). Captain America looks like Captain America, Batman looks like Batman (and more badass than ever, tbh), Iron Man looks like Iron Man... this Green Lantern doesn't really look like any GL that's been around before, and NOT in a bad ass, awesome and new kind of way. In a bad way.

The toes were a stupid decision and no, it won't effect me in trying to enjoy the story or the acting or the movie as a whole, but I am aware of it and I do think it sucks.
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:08 AM   #1426
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The problem with nitpicking is that I have been saying that about Green Lantern pretty much the whole movie. First it was the bad casting, then the CGI suit, the toes, etc. At this point, it is just a culmination of a bunch of shit. Every time some new detail gets revealed I am just like "meh.."..I will still go see the movie because I am a loser but I am just not getting my hopes up.
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Are you telling me you're seriously going to be sitting there, and no matter the quality of the story, or the acting, or the direction, or the FX, or whatever, even if all that ends up being top notch, you'll be sitting there thinking "If only I couldn't see his toes".
You know, if everything else, or at least most everything else is good, yeah I probably will be able to look past his toes. But it is one of those things that will bother me. And yes, maybe this is a personal problem, but it just looks so stupid. Do you like seeing his toes?
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I never said that I wouldn't like the movie just because you can see the outline of his toes. I've overlooked far more stupid decisions in movies in order to enjoy them or give them a chance. What I'm saying is that the whole concept of having his feet and legs look he's wearing chronic-green spandex leggings is stupid and not "super-hero-ish" at all. Name one other superhero who runs around in their bare feet. It feels like a decision that was made by the designers of the GL costume that was extremely poorly thought out and one that was made really without taking the hardcore fans into consideration (of which I am not one, btw). Captain America looks like Captain America, Batman looks like Batman (and more badass than ever, tbh), Iron Man looks like Iron Man... this Green Lantern doesn't really look like any GL that's been around before, and NOT in a bad ass, awesome and new kind of way. In a bad way.

The toes were a stupid decision and no, it won't effect me in trying to enjoy the story or the acting or the movie as a whole, but I am aware of it and I do think it sucks.
Beast and occasionally Killer Crock...but you are suppose to see their toes.

And I was thinking...spider-man in the black/venom costume would have made some what of sense if I could see his toes. Not that I want to see his toes, just thinking it wouldn't have bothered me. And I do thinking about it, how does he climb walls with his feet if there is a pad of rubber or leather or whatever between him and the wall? So with Spider-Man it would make sense if he was wearing something that you could see his toes through, not aesthetically pleasing, but logical.
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Yeah, I always wondered that about Spider-Man as well. How are those tiny, microscopic little hooks that we saw come out of his fingertips in the first movie supposed to penetrate his shoes? Maybe he's wearing very lightly padded socks or something. Suspension of disbelief I guess.
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Yeah, I always wondered that about Spider-Man as well. How are those tiny, microscopic little hooks that we saw come out of his fingertips in the first movie supposed to penetrate his shoes? Maybe he's wearing very lightly padded socks or something. Suspension of disbelief I guess.
His gloves should also be thin but that is a different discussion.
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Just in time for her new show, Diana returns to her classic look after the year long story arc in street gear.
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:27 AM   #1432
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Well, that didn't last long. I figured mean-streets Wonder Woman would only last about as long as electric-blue Superman did. Still, I did like some of the costume changes they did, particularly with the gauntlets and belt.
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:48 AM   #1433
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Yeah I hoped it wold last longer.

I wouldn't mind Superman and Wonder Woman having some sort of permanent update. Batman got an update (in two flavors with Bruce's suit and Dick's suit). Green Arrow got a cool suit now (inspired by Smallville version? Which came first?).

Clark and Diana look dated next to Bruce now.
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I didn't notice Green Arrow getting a new suit, and I just caught up in reading it

Also, Supes and Wonder Woman classic costumes are just fine. Had no problem with Wonder Woman's new costume though, but it was clearly just for "the story" until they change back.
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Green Arrow's had some adjustments and he looks a lot like Oliver in Smallville now.
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I didn't mind most of the changes in Wonder Woman's costume, with the exception of the stupid leather jacket. It made her less like an A-list superhero and more like a reject from the Birds of Prey.

Personally, I'd much rather keep Superman's costume the way it is. Sure it's old-fashioned compared to everyone else's, but Superman's always considered to be the quintessential old-fashioned superhero anyway. Plus, I have yet to see a revised Supes costume that doesn't just look gimmicky.
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I'm not talking something radical, just little streamline changes to perhaps translate the Kryptonian tech concept.
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Well, Superman doesn't exactly need tech in his costume. It makes sense for folks like Batman or Green Arrow to update their equipment from time to time, since their abilities are tech-based. Superman's powers are innate, so having a high-tech-looking suit doesn't really do anything for him.

If you have to change the look of the costume at all, I'd go with Superboy's outfit from Titans tomorrow, where they got rid of the trunks and put the red in his belt instead:
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Not tech in a gear sense... More of an aesthetic thing, I guess. It's an alien suit, it should be more than a primary colored nazi.

Maybe just change the 'S', remove the trunks (would also make him uniformed with Bruce), increase the shield size to extend to his shoulders, and absolutely no black. If anything add yellow.

Also, a katana.
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Oh, I see what you mean:



Though looking in the actual book, the costume doesn't look anything like that and he still uses his "normal"/"old" one. Woulda been cool if they used that one inside as well.

EDIT: Looks like even that cover eventually got changed, now that I look closer:

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