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Old 05-05-2010, 07:40 PM   #1401
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I think so. He picked Storm, of all X-Men. And he picked Black Cat. That was a wasted pick. I guess he threw both of those picks away for the sake of pussy.

It was pretty lopsided too. He drafted the collective unit of the Fantastic Four, and a handful of other heroes.
The villain side got Red Skull and Dr. Doom, but aside from that it was only Doc Ock and The Lizard (who defected).
What the fuck? I think they could have used a few more villains. Where is Magneto? It was like 10 on 3.
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:42 PM   #1402
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I think so. He picked Storm, of all X-Men. And he picked Black Cat. That was a wasted pick. I guess he threw both of those picks away for the sake of pussy.

It was pretty lopsided too. He drafted the collective unit of the Fantastic Four, and a handful of other heroes.
The villain side got Red Skull and Dr. Doom, but aside from that it was only Doc Ock and The Lizard (who defected).
What the fuck? I think they could have used a few more villains. Where is Magneto? It was like 10 on 3.
I don't remember where I read it or heard it..but I think in the original plan they did intend to have some more high profile villains. However, some trouble with the voice actors not being able to make it or some crap. I remember reading that Storm was not originally planned to be there. That Spidey series was the shit tho. Mostly because of the 5834848 cameos it had.
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:54 PM   #1403
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It had virtually every cameo possible. The only major characters that didn't cameo were Hulk and Thor.

In Hulk's case, he was supposed to but they ran into an issue with rights. I think it had to do with The Hulk animated series being produced by UPN.

The only major Spidey villain to not appear was Sandman. This was because Sandman and Electro were placed off-limits by Marvel, because they wanted to keep them fresh for James Cameron's Spiderman which was in development at the time. Those were the two villains he had in his script.
Once that fell through, they worked Electro into a later season. They never got around to Sandman though.
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Wasn't Electro some guy that dated Mary Jane at some point or something?

maybe that was someone else but I remember it being someone like Electro on that show
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:31 AM   #1405
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You're talking about Hydro Man.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:33 AM   #1406
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In one of the episodes it was revealed Mary Jane was a clone created especially for Hydro Man, which is why she kinda developed 'water powers' and then evaporated. Sucks when that happens.
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Oh ok, that show got weird near the end
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I don't remember the whole story with the 90's Marvel Shows..but I think it was something among the lines of Fox being pissed over the fact that Marvel had control over their 2 most powerful shows or something like that. That is why towards the end of X-Men and Spider-Man, there was a huge decrease of animation value for the X-Men and stories for Spider-Man. Some funding was removed.
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How did you guys end up on Fox's radar for First Class?

Zack Stentz: We had one of those great general meetings you have where the executive says "I have to find something for you guys". And you expect to never hear from him again
Ashley Edward Miller: We were standing around in the commissary one day. They saw us and they were like. "You there, shiftless writers. We have a task."
ZS: There are just a small number of writers in Hollywood who know comic books backwards and forwards and are not daunted by skipping all of the usual feature writing "screwing around."
AEM: They knew we worked on Thor, knew we knew the universe, they liked our writing, and thought we could bring something to it that was compatible with Bryan Singer's vision.

What is Bryan's vision?

ZS: Pretty good, I think — did he have laser surgery at some point?
AEM: You see it in X-Men and X2: Character first.

Like the USA Network.

AEM: Exactly. This is basically a big episode of Burn Notice with mutants. Bruce Campbell should play every role. He would make an amazing X-jet. Who doesn't want to see the X-Men fly to the rescue atop Bruce Campbell at mach 3?

"You know mutants: a bunch of bitchy little girls." Had either of you read Jeff Parker's First Class comic before landing the assignment? Did you lean on it at all, or was the idea of "X-Men: Freshman Year" enough to run with?

AEM: Nope. all we had to hear was Bryan's take.
ZS: That sold us immediately. It felt so of a piece with the emotionalism and drama of the first two films.

What were your first meetings with Bryan Singer like?

AEM: Bryan is a great collaborator. He's very smart, he knows what he wants and he's great with the back-and-forth of designing cool scenes and moments. And when you get into the superheroics, he wants to understand how and why things work.
ZS: In TV terms, it was like meeting with a great showrunner — he absolutely knows what he wants, but is interested in your opinion and enjoys means-testing all of the ideas that come out.

How difficult was it to settle on the story to tell? There are so many firsts the X-Men had...how do you choose just one?

AEM: Step One: You can't think of it that way. You have to let go of all of that.
ZS: Yeah, that way lies checking boxes on a list instead of just finding a great story.
AEM: So you ask the same questions you'd ask on any other script: Who are these characters? What do they want? What's in their way?

True. but with so much to choose from, are there conscious decisions of the things you know you want in there?

AEM: Sure, but it has to feel organic. If it doesn't emerge naturally, you should never ever force it. (And yes, that's what she said.)

Did you feel any pressure/desire/necessity to "reintroduce" us to the X-Men?

ZS: In some sense you should be reintroducing your characters in every film. (I like this guy)
AEM: The thing is, we've been here before. We did it on Terminator for two seasons. We did it on Thor. You learn how to approach the material as something you can live in and not just nod at.
ZS: Well, look at Star Trek (2009) — that's a film that did a great job of acknowledging that its characters are part of the culture, yet treating them as fresh and new to the audience.
AEM: I would also argue that if you're telling a story where your characters can no longer surprise the audience, you're telling the wrong story. These characters surprised us at every turn, sometimes in really wonderful and emotional ways. Those moments are what make movies great.

How accelerated was the process? It all seems like it's moving pretty fast from here on the sidelines...

AEM: It's a very accelerated process. I don't think that's a secret.
ZS: They've eliminated the usual screwing around and waiting two to four weeks when you turn in a draft. It's amazing how much fat there is in the feature development process. And how quickly you can make it happen if you cut it out. TV proves that.

What's it been like working with Matthew Vaughn?

AEM: Honestly, we haven't spoken to him yet.

Are you guys done with your First Class responsibilities?

AEM: Hahahahahahahahahaha.
ZS: Oh, no....
AEM: Of course, there's a complete script. But these things are never done until they're shot and edited. All we know is we throw ink where we need to throw ink and we do it until they say stop.

Where do you go from here? What's next?

AEM: We're still in the middle of working on Damn Nation. We turned our first draft into Dark Horse and Paramount, and everyone seems to love it. We were very pleased with how it came out.

It feels a bit like you're Marvel's go-to writers. Not a bad position to be in.

AEM: That's an interesting way to look at it. I think there are three Marvel comic book adaptations coming out next summer. And we wrote two of them. That blows my little fanboy mind.

How much are you guys still plugged in to what's happening on Thor?

ZS: We talk fairly regularly with the guys.
AEM: I went to the set just last week.

Did you get to...hold it?

AEM: Dude. Mjolnir is awesome. I got to hold it. I was so stoked. I brutally beat the script supervisor with it.
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Iron Man 2 goes national this weekend (already selling out theaters), and the game also dropped this week. The game has War Machine, but no co-op for guys to buddy-up as Tony and Rhody in the game (utterly fantastic missed opportunity, imo).
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Yeah really, thats pretty dumb. Any reports on if the game is any good.
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I haven't read any reviews yet but it looked fucking stupid from where I was sitting - conceptually and visually (martial arts styles to choose from, what the fuck?).
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Just got back from Iron Man 2. It was a blast. I think I enjoyed it as much, if not more, than the first.
It was pretty much just as good of a movie, but with more "cool shit."
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Yeah, twas fucking awesome. Also, some guy was dressed up as Iron man via cardboard and get this... the fucking plastic that your meat sits on when you buy it. Yes, the black stuff. He painted it. Fucking HILARIOUS.
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I saw it tonight... and it was indeed very good.

And we had a guy ... well two guys. One as Iron Man and one as war machine. Both in cardboard. Pretty awesome.
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I have the DVD of that film, use to love it when I was young, now it's awful lol.

I love how half way through the movie Cap's running through the forest being chased, with no explanation as to how he got there or why he's being chased lol.
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My Iron Man 2 thoughts:

It was good. A few people say that it dragged, while that isn't *really*
true, I think they just expected/hoped for way more action. This had like 4 or 5
big action scenes, the rest was for story and plot development. It was
an entertaining and well done and Robert Downy Jr. was spot on and as funny as ever.

Can't wait to buy it on bluray.
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Old 05-08-2010, 12:48 PM   #1426
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Superhero action gets boring. In fact most action gets boring. I love action movies, but I don't need a movie that's wall to wall with action because it becomes meaningless and the audience gets desensitized.
Transformers 2 (which I hate) is nothing but action. The first Iron Man didn't have much action either. I don't really care for too much of it. I'd rather there be 2 or 3 big action sequences and the rest of the story and dialogue be entertaining.
This is really what I've always liked, whether it be Star Wars or The Dark Knight, or Terminator 2, etc.
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Superhero action gets boring. In fact most action gets boring. I love action movies, but I don't need a movie that's wall to wall with action because it becomes meaningless and the audience gets desensitized.
Transformers 2 (which I hate) is nothing but action. The first Iron Man didn't have much action either. I don't really care for too much of it. I'd rather there be 2 or 3 big action sequences and the rest of the story and dialogue be entertaining.
This is really what I've always liked, whether it be Star Wars or The Dark Knight, or Terminator 2, etc.

Even though I enjoyed Transformers 2 (I'm not a fan of them, I never cared for the cartoon) I just enjoyed the action while smok... playing with a lighter.

I agree 100% percent. Movies like Transformers 2/Last Action Hero/Commando are merely watch once and put away. Nothing else to look for in terms of plot.
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Old 05-08-2010, 06:12 PM   #1428
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Well its still all subjective and relative.

Last Action Hero especially is one of my all time fave movies and I watch it at least once a month, as with Commando. But I won't bother with Transformers II again, but probably watch the first again if I was in the mood.
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I enjoyed Transformers 2 more than the first for some reason. And I meant I don't have the urge to see them but if they come on TV and I'm bored, I might watch them.
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Just got back from Iron Man 2. I thought it was a very well done film, the cast was dead on and both Robert Downey Jr. and Mickey Rourke give incredible performances. I thought that the film could've used at least one more action sequence in the first half, and that the action scenes toward the end could have been a bit more dynamic (the Drones, for example, could have been much more difficult to defeat than they were).

I also noticed that the scene from the trailers with Stark and Pepper in the plane and her throwing his helmet out the back wasn't in the film. There are also stills showing Stark with Scarlett Johanssen's character wearing the Iron Man hand repulsor, which was also absent from the movie. I have no gripe with these minor issues; just an interesting side note.
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I also noticed that the scene from the trailers with Stark and Pepper in the plane and her throwing his helmet out the back wasn't in the film. There are also stills showing Stark with Scarlett Johanssen's character wearing the Iron Man hand repulsor, which was also absent from the movie. I have no gripe with these minor issues; just an interesting side note.
Yea I read an interview a week before the movie released with the Directer in which he was talking about deleted scenes for the dvd and he mentioned both of those as well as the reason he removied the Stark/Pepper place scene was because it threw off the scene and actually took away from the moment that they were aiming for.
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is the director of iron man on for directing avengers?
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From what I've heard, they're getting a different guy. Couldn't give you names or anything off hand, but I remember the Iron Man director being skeptical that somebody can bring it all together without hurting the strong almost-realistic technological basis of Iron Man's setting.
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He's directing his starring cameo role, so yes and no.
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Nah, Joss Whedon's doing Avengers.
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I don't know man. Havn't seen any of his tv shows, but guy knows how to write superheroes. Astonishing X-men was one of the best runs on a book ever.
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