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Old 06-14-2019, 10:09 PM   #1401
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Good for AEW. I'm curious to see how their TV attendance goes. They're milking a very dedicated and very mobilized fan base at the moment.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:14 PM   #1402
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It's super hot because there's not alot of it and the average wrestling fan in their 30s has been craving something other than the spread-too-thin wwe product, or not readily available ROH for a while.
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Old 06-15-2019, 12:42 AM   #1403
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Based on some Steiner Math to account for shenanigans involving ticket sales, Observer reported that AEW was on pace to sell 130,000 tickets for All Out had all the purchases and demand been genuine.

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The final number of those who were in the queque and tried to get tickets for All Out on 8/31 in Chicago, the next AEW PPV show, was 72,500 after about 30 minutes, and that is verified as they actually gave people their number in line. Keep in mind a few things about that stat. Some people logged in multiple times. Some of those people were fake. And those who ordered tickets probably averaged at roughly three tickets per order. Based on how quick it took to sell out, how many went through, which factors in multiples and fakes, the actual number of tickets that would have been sold would be just over 130,000. That ticket demand first 30 minutes beat any WrestleMania in history and would be the highest for any pro wrestling show I've ever heard of. The only show higher would have been the first time UFC went to Rio when the ticket demand was legit 250,000 for a 16,000 seat arena. Obviously they way undershot in booking the Sears Center and these numbers are both insane and telling. Stubhub had 893 tickets on sale the last time I checked. With most prices going at 4x ticket value, there will be more put up as they are moving and people are putting more up just because of the markup. The secondary market was on fire today as well.
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:24 AM   #1404
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Thats some janky janky math
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It's super hot because there's not alot of it and the average wrestling fan in their 30s has been craving something other than the spread-too-thin wwe product, or not readily available ROH for a while.
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Based on some Steiner Math to account for shenanigans involving ticket sales, Observer reported that AEW was on pace to sell 130,000 tickets for All Out had all the purchases and demand been genuine.
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:53 AM   #1406
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Picture a scene. We're in a well-lit, spacious office. In walks Cody Rhodes, he looks over to his answering machine as he enteres changing direction when he sees the blinking red light. He pushes the button.

'You have... seventy-three... new messages'

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Old 06-16-2019, 11:24 AM   #1407
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One of those was from CM Punk.

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One of those was from CM Punk.
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:53 AM   #1409
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It's super hot because there's not alot of it and the average wrestling fan in their 30s has been craving something other than the spread-too-thin wwe product, or not readily available ROH for a while.

People's problems w/ WWE aren't that it is spread too thin, their problems are that it's bad tv and specifically a bad wrestling product overall. Less of WWE doesn't indicate that would change. ROH hasn't been in the big picture for most wrestling fans for a long-time, even when Cody and company were there.
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Old 06-17-2019, 04:54 AM   #1410
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People have been craving a good product, period, available on a national/global level.

I hope AEW can fill that void and thus far, their first show was good.
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Old 06-17-2019, 05:18 AM   #1411
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Picture a scene. We're in a well-lit, spacious office. In walks Cody Rhodes, he looks over to his answering machine as he enteres changing direction when he sees the blinking red light. He pushes the button.

'You have... seventy-three... new messages'

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Before he does, Brandi is off camera yelling "That's why you can't 'guarantee', babe!"

Cody stops long enough to wordlessly gives the universal look/head nod of "yeah yeah you were right..." and then continues with his Nintendo.
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Old 06-17-2019, 05:20 AM   #1412
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Nigel's reign was the last time ROH felt like ROH. The last time it felt special. It slowly became just another indy fed after that.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:59 AM   #1413
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People's problems w/ WWE aren't that it is spread too thin, their problems are that it's bad tv and specifically a bad wrestling product overall. Less of WWE doesn't indicate that would change. ROH hasn't been in the big picture for most wrestling fans for a long-time, even when Cody and company were there.
One of the big reasons it is bad is because its spread too thin. Think about if nxt had a ppv every 4 weeks and had 5 hours of TV to fill every week.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:13 AM   #1414
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Apples and Orange m8

NXT and the actual WWE main-roster product are very different from one another. If anything a good comparison for AEW would be hoping to combine the long-form storytelling of New Japan w/ the in-ring action of New Japan/NXT Takeover.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:17 AM   #1415
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I think AEW will really be it's own thing, I don't think it will go the TNA route of mentioning WWE much as it gets up and running and finds itself. I think they'll focus on finding their own Flair/Luger/Sting/etc over time.

That said, I do agree with you 100% on WWE over-saturating their own market.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:43 PM   #1416
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People's problems w/ WWE aren't that it is spread too thin, their problems are that it's bad tv and specifically a bad wrestling product overall. Less of WWE doesn't indicate that would change. ROH hasn't been in the big picture for most wrestling fans for a long-time, even when Cody and company were there.
It’s a combination thing that compounds the issue. Having less time doesn’t automatically make you good, but being spread out that far makes it virtually impossible to do so. If NXT was taking up 5 hours every week and then doing a 5-hour PPV every three weeks, we wouldn’t be talking about it in such a comparably favorable light.

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One of the big reasons it is bad is because its spread too thin. Think about if nxt had a ppv every 4 weeks and had 5 hours of TV to fill every week.
This is true. NXT also gets a boost from being other. With AEW around now and the promises NXT makes being hollow, it will be interesting to monitor how perception changes.
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Old 06-18-2019, 02:04 AM   #1417
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Does anybody else think it's kind of funny Mox is working CJ Parker and Big Cass with Enzo out of the gate. These are guys who would have been far beneath him in WWE. That whole he would have left even if there was no AEW is B.S. Nobody is turning down multiple millions for Juice Robinson and Cazz matches.
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Old 06-18-2019, 02:06 AM   #1418
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Not sure about Cazz but they should be turning down money to wrestle Juice.
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Old 06-18-2019, 04:42 AM   #1419
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Yeah, Juice fucking rules.

And I say that as someone who absolutely despised C.J. Parker.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:36 AM   #1420
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Does anybody else think it's kind of funny Mox is working CJ Parker and Big Cass with Enzo out of the gate. These are guys who would have been far beneath him in WWE. That whole he would have left even if there was no AEW is B.S. Nobody is turning down multiple millions for Juice Robinson and Cazz matches.
He’s said that if AEW wasn’t an option, he still would’ve left WWE because he was miserable there and he was in a position where he’d saved up enough money to not have to continue wrestling.
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Old 06-18-2019, 08:59 AM   #1422
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guess mox respected cas to have his 1st indy match with him they might have got along in wwe.
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Tony Khan confirms they will hold a tag tournament once they're on TNT, presumably to crown the inaugural tag champs.
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Tony Khan confirms they will hold a tag tournament once they're on TNT, presumably to crown the inaugural tag champs.
4 titles, all they need. (World,(Middle),Tag,Women's)
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Old 06-18-2019, 12:21 PM   #1427
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Well it might be 4 titles but I'm not entirely sure they'll have a midcard singles one for a while. Khan said he wanted to eventually introduce women's tag belts, and given how many women they've signed along with their pipeline into the joshi world, I think they could actually have a killer division that would get attention.

So maybe it'll be a men's title, a women's title, and tag titles for each. And that's it. People not in title programs will feud over other stuff.
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Does anybody else think it's kind of funny Mox is working CJ Parker and Big Cass with Enzo out of the gate. These are guys who would have been far beneath him in WWE. That whole he would have left even if there was no AEW is B.S. Nobody is turning down multiple millions for Juice Robinson and Cazz matches.
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I would prefer no middle division title to be honest.

There's not a middle division title in Basketball, Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc.
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I would prefer no middle division title to be honest.

There's not a middle division title in Basketball, Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc.
there's no titles in any of those
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Titles/Championships whatever
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There are conference/league champs in those sports.....
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Would probably work better with individual awards like MVP and such. In that case they do have midcard type awards like the 6th Man of the Year.
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Thats not exactly a 1:1
In the sense that slik is talking about it..... a top accomplishment.... but then there are other accomplishments too...
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Winning the NBA title is more on par with main eventing wrestle mania
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I feel like mid-card titles are sort of 'the past'

Everyone should be gunning for top dog spot and maybe gets sidetracked w/ other feuds set up via circumstance/interaction...Just seems like it would be copying what is done before to follow the standard world champ, mid card champ formula...wanting something fresh/different....idk
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Really h8 that NXT added N American Title...their roster isn't big enough to support that IMO

Everyone should want to be NXT champ
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fuck it. not fresh enough. No belts at all. guys fight for food instead #thinkforward #rightsideofhistory
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