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Old 08-29-2023, 04:23 PM   #14841
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Fuck taking sides at the moment, all I can really think is that if I'm in AEW, particularly someone that worked the show, I'd feel pretty fucking deflated that we've just had one of the biggest shows of all-time and now all anyone is talking about again is locker room drama.

Like, no matter who is at fault, it's a really fucking bad thing that whatever "momentum" was gained is just going right back into talking about what a shitshow it is backstage. Like it's all gone to waste.
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Old 08-29-2023, 04:25 PM   #14842
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That's the real draw of CM Punk right there. What kind of backstage nonsense will his massive ego and fragile psyche get him into next?
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Old 08-29-2023, 04:27 PM   #14843
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Fuck taking sides at the moment, all I can really think is that if I'm in AEW, particularly someone that worked the show, I'd feel pretty fucking deflated that we've just had one of the biggest shows of all-time and now all anyone is talking about again is locker room drama.

Like, no matter who is at fault, it's a really fucking bad thing that whatever "momentum" was gained is just going right back into talking about what a shitshow it is backstage. Like it's all gone to waste.
Seriously though you nailed it with this.
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Old 08-29-2023, 04:30 PM   #14844
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Ever since the backstage drama wars started I have found it very difficult to enjoy AEW the same way I did before. Admittedly a lot of my lost interest is due to a lack of PAC and Danhausen though, not just the drama.
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Old 08-29-2023, 05:02 PM   #14845
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Vito nailed it there.

It’s fucking stupid that there’s even a Dynamite camp vs Collision camp thing going on, the AEW audience isn’t big enough to cannibalise itself.
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Old 08-29-2023, 05:02 PM   #14846
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Old 08-29-2023, 07:09 PM   #14847
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TK thinks drama is good. That's how he wants to run the promotion so thats what we're getting. Its his vision. He fails to see that you then need to harness that into on screen shit in order for it to actually be good for the business.

I can't believe TK is so shit at his job that I have to use Vince as an example of how to run a promotion.

It works in a couple of ways. One, everyone knows about a beef so it draws eyeballs and moves tickets. Second, it sends the message to talent that their little squabbles can and will be put on TV which could make them look stupid and push them down the card. Mind yourself or Daddy with fuck with you because its HIS promotion, not yours.
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Old 08-29-2023, 07:13 PM   #14848
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Old 08-29-2023, 07:33 PM   #14849
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Especially here at TPWW/forums. Its how Triple A is living that yacht life rn.
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Old 08-30-2023, 01:58 AM   #14850
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The show wasn’t spectacular enough to justify people talking about it. The backstage drama shouldn’t be happening, because TK should fucking discipline The Elite side, but let’s not pretend that if it weren’t happening the product would be sizzling. Wrestlers should be annoyed that the booking of this promotion with the best initial backing ever throws it all down the well with bad hirings, bad booking and bad management.
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Old 08-30-2023, 05:26 AM   #14851
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I hope Triple A has a yacht.
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Old 08-30-2023, 09:48 AM   #14852
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Shit, if they're going to be so loose with backstage shenanigans, they should at least turn it into a marketable angle.


Otherwise, it's more Crying Man Punk.
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Old 08-30-2023, 10:39 AM   #14853
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Old 08-30-2023, 02:54 PM   #14854
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It might be shut down if Punk leaves. Nick Hausman has said he thinks Punk will leave. I’m not sure how much insight he actually has on that though. But he’s been closest to the Punk camp so far. You can only jerk around the guy holding your company up so long.
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Old 08-30-2023, 03:14 PM   #14855
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They will be fine without him.
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Old 08-30-2023, 03:30 PM   #14856
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They will be fine without him.
Nope. Without him, Collision collapses. Without Collision, the TV deals are pulled. There’s also a difference between a pre-Punk company and a post-Punk company. The more casual audience has seen that stars can be there and they’ll be disenchanted when stars aren’t.
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Well is it that they will collapse or TK will just fund it anyway?
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Old 08-30-2023, 03:38 PM   #14858
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Nope. Without him, Collision collapses. Without Collision, the TV deals are pulled. There’s also a difference between a pre-Punk company and a post-Punk company. The more casual audience has seen that stars can be there and they’ll be disenchanted when stars aren’t.
Completely agree. If there is no punk to run collision, then the Saturday night show basically becomes Dynamite 2.0, just on a worse market for TV because of the night it is on.
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Well is it that they will collapse or TK will just fund it anyway?
The Khans have the resources to fund it for as long as they want. How long that will be at a loss is up to how much Shad wants to let Tony throw his money down a well.

The idea is for it to make money back. That’s why TK charges for ROH and has presumably agreed to do Collision in the first place. No one was asking for more AEW content, at least from the AEW end. It’s a bad idea for anything other than money. So the question is just how much Tony needs that money to be coming in. We won’t know that until it isn’t.

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Completely agree. If there is no punk to run collision, then the Saturday night show basically becomes Dynamite 2.0, just on a worse market for TV because of the night it is on.
A lot of people want to make fun of Collision’s numbers, but the stark reality is l what those numbers would be like without Punk. It’s pretty grim.
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If I’m WBD, I don’t want to house a show I know can be doing better, but isn’t because the guy running it for us lets his insecure employees run off the biggest star. I’d almost resent them on principal, let alone what the numbers end up as so they can do the Chicken Dance every Wednesday.
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Eventually WBD is going to wake up and see how toxic Tony Khan has made his company. While the Elite and everyone else don't make it better, he is the one that has the supreme authority to stop people from behaving the way that they do. Eventually, there is going to be some form of altercation where there will be someone who gets seriously hurt, but Tony and AEW as a whole will be at fault because again, as I have said so many times before, he would rather be the fanboy than the owner of a major company.
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Another thing to keep in mind re: Collision:

Since it’s a wrestling audience, we assume that it’s the same people watching every week. But given the night and the more casual flex the show seems to have, it’s possible that Collision actually gets more unique eyeballs than Dynamite does. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprise if Dynamite has largely the same core audience every week. Or a higher ratio of weekly viewers than Collision, which might have more of a rotation.

If The Elite are left to stock Collision, it’s possible that not only the numbers week-to-week drop, but the size of the gross audience is also much, much smaller.
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Eventually WBD is going to wake up and see how toxic Tony Khan has made his company. While the Elite and everyone else don't make it better, he is the one that has the supreme authority to stop people from behaving the way that they do. Eventually, there is going to be some form of altercation where there will be someone who gets seriously hurt, but Tony and AEW as a whole will be at fault because again, as I have said so many times before, he would rather be the fanboy than the owner of a major company.
Tony Khan definitely needs to shoulder the blame. I mean, The Elite have their personality responsibility too, but TK lets it happen for sure.
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Imagine a world where after Brawl Out, Tony has all the parties involved come sit down together with a mediator, hash out what happened, tells the parties "Don't do this shit again, or else you will all be suspended indefinitely without pay and possibly fired for the incident at hand"
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Imagine a world where after Brawl Out, Tony has all the parties involved come sit down together with a mediator, hash out what happened, tells the parties "Don't do this shit again, or else you will all be suspended indefinitely without pay and possibly fired for the incident at hand"
You’d think that would have happened after the Adam Page incident. I doubt it happens now unless something makes Tony.
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You’d think that would have happened after the Adam Page incident. I doubt it happens now unless something makes Tony.
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Old 08-30-2023, 08:33 PM   #14868
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Tony is paying his wrestlers enough that if they leave they can probably band together and finance something half-decent on their own.
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Old 08-30-2023, 08:36 PM   #14869
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As long as they haven't invested their earnings in Global Force Gold
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Jeff Jarrett might end up running AEW by the time things are done.
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Wow. What total dog shit they're shoveling for what is supposed to be the biggest show of the year. That card is meant for a fucking house show.
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AEW International Championship – Jon Moxley vs. Orange Cassidy (c)

TNT Championship – Darby Allin vs. Luchasaurus (c)

TBS Championship – Ruby Soho vs. Kris Statlander (c)

ROH World Tag Team Championship – Winner of #1 Contender Tag Team Battle Royal vs. Adam Cole & MJF (c)

ROH World Television Championship – Shane Taylor vs. Samoa Joe (c)

8-Man Tag Team match – The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) & FTR (Cash Wheeler & Dax Harwood) vs. Bullet Club Gold (Jay White, Juice Robinson, & The Gunns (Austin & Colten Gunn)

Miro vs. Powerhouse Hobbs

Kenny Omega vs. Konosuke Takeshita
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They'll add something during Collision but WTF can you bill as your main event here? Jesus Christ. It feels worse every time I look at it.

This is the worst card Ive ever seen for a ppv of this caliber. Seriously.
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on Twitter just now TK added Kingston/Shibata vs Yuta/Claudio and Ricky Steamboat vs Ricky Starks in a Strap match

Adam Cole / MJF will face

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Lol....me and ABT are going to need to get shitfaced to get through this bile.
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The top men's and (so far) women's titles as well as the tag titles are not being defended on traditionally the biggest show of the year.

All they added according to slik was more jobber matches. How can anyone think this will work?well?
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They're doing this in the fucking United Center. Crowd might start doing the wave out of boredom.
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Seriously, what is left to potentially add and what closes this dreck of a show?
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