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Old 01-18-2018, 09:40 AM   #121
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I dunno it just felt like "Why is she booked for the show? She's not gonna draw."

They still need to have an undercard.
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Old 01-18-2018, 01:01 PM   #122
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Feel like Main Event should be something like CM Punk vs Jericho. Then have the semi Main be Cody vs Omega, preferably for the first time. Then, I dunno, Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Bryan Danielson, Young Bucks vs. Ugly Ducklings (give those guys a bit of exposure), Fale and G.o.D. vs. Killer Elite Squad and Suzuki, Joey Ryan vs. White Mike (a give Corney an annyeurism match),Marty vs Mysterio, and Pac vs. Ospreay for the opener.
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Old 01-18-2018, 01:28 PM   #123
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I don't think Bryan's gonna be at this. His WWE contract is up in September and based on previous tweets he's sent out I think it's late September (he specifically referenced answering Cody's challenge on September 28th).

And if there's a 90 day no-compete that kicks in after his contract ends, the soonest on-air wrestling performance you could see him make is WK13.
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:31 PM   #124
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I wonder if Nakamura is happy. Taking away the bullshit of how he's been handled and how he just feels like another guy at this point -- I wonder if he's happy.
I think he's happy with his paycheck. But I also think he lays in bed at night missing being a wrestler.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:25 PM   #125
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I dunno it just felt like "Why is she booked for the show? She's not gonna draw."

They still need to have an undercard.
I dunno, I'm just amazed by the route they are taking. They are trying to make this WWE-lite, which doesn't surprise me, since Cody comes from the WWE bubble. I don't think people realize how hard it's going to be to get 10,000 into a building to watch sports entertainment. WWE has trouble doing it. Chris Jericho only added a couple of thousand, at most to the Tokyo Dome. You'd need a third of the extra subscribers to this year's Wrestle Kingdom show to attend All In in order to make up the 10,000 people. That was 9.99 yen, and it came from all over the world. You're asking those people to pay for airfare, travel, tickets, accommodation, etc.

I'm fairly certain they will have Jericho and Omega for the show, but you still need 10% of New Japan's subscribers from all over the world to be at that show in order to fill that arena. Sorry if that sounds cynical, but those are just the numbers. It's going to be all in the promotion. CM Punk being there would be a huge help in Chicago (probably -- I think Destor has more than a valid point when he talks about Punk's diminished wider appeal now that he's a confirmed bitch). But Jericho is only worth a few thousand people when he's wrestling in his first match outside the WWF/E in 20-odd years. What are diminished returns going to be like if he has clunkers between now and then? And they're signing up the usual indy suspects. Okay.
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I think he's happy with his paycheck. But I also think he lays in bed at night missing being a wrestler.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:47 PM   #127
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I imagine Nakamura would like to do more, but he's still being treated as a top guy, even if it's "just another top guy". Can't imagine he's too depressed.
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Old 01-18-2018, 09:58 PM   #128
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It's not the position on the card that makes me say that. It's the fact that he went from a place that treats wrestling like an art form to a place where nothing he does on a nightly basis really matters. Being "treated like a top guy" in WWE is not the same as being treated like a top guy in Japan. The guy jobbed twice to Jinder Mahal. Clean the second time. He HAD to have gone him after that match and play his old New Japan matches like 24 hours straight.

That paycheck though.
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Would he really be getting paid that much more than New Japan? I imagine he was making at least $1 million a year in New Japan. I mean, if Karl Anderson is worth $750,000 (and you believe him).

I know a lot of Japanese people get Paris syndrome. The culture shock can be quite damaging to an individual's emotional state, even if Nakamura seemed prepared for it. I know he wrestled in the US and "loves America," but it's a bit different moving away from home, family, your fanbase and all these other things you're plugged into. And then there's the wrestling. He's treated as a top guy, but it's a top guy in a hocus pocus sports entertainment company. He may have "known what he was signing up for," but did he really know what he was signing up for? It's an interesting question. I guess we'll know in about a year when his contract expires.
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He's trying to earn a living. No different then when he was home. He did what was needed to get over in both cases. And both are art. The masterstroke is the selling of the product not the bumps.
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I agree with the last statement there, and I don't actually want Nakamura to go balls-to-the-wall, but if he manages to sell the WWE product, he'll be the first guy since maybe John Cena.
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Who mentioned anything about the bumps? He was in a much better position to sell the product in NJPW than he is in WWE. If wrestling is an art, he went from creating van Goghs to finger painting stick figures.
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Still think they should have promoted his best win percentage in WWE history thing while they had it. It's all about presentation. Fuck y'all.
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Thats because you elevate a bump heavy product as better. The better product is the one more people buy into and workers get that.

Old product fits your tastes better (and mine.) It doesnt make it more artistic.the art is the same for both. Convincing people to pay your wages.
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The art is the con.
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If WWE's product fits Nakamura's taste better then never mind. He's probably completely happy where he is.

I highly doubt it does. I'm pretty sure he'd rather be creating something he can be proud of and not just being a spoke in a wheel of what appeals to the masses. That's the point. You're arguing something completely different.
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Yeah, I think we generally agree, Destor, but I also think that fewer and fewer people are buying into the con, so yeah.
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That's possibly the most interesting thing Finn Balor has ever said. It could be described as "mildly."
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Finn's been quite outspoken on the Twitter, but actually seems to be getting a push.
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It's Finn, he's taken the piss and teased a lot on Twitter before. No need to ask when his contract is up.
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I think that's pretty dumb, honestly. Why promote rival shit and whinge about how not over you are? Just silly.
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But I'm one of those fuddy-duddies who thinks that Twitter should be incorporated into your presentation and be used to further angles and encourage emotional investment, so what do I know?
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Well, this will help
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It won't hurt. It will help with the fans that were already going. I love Okada, don't get me wrong, but Bryan Alvarez was talking in his podcast about how Okada was walking around New Orleans and no one was recognizing him, haha. If I were in Chicago, I'd consider going to see Okada, but I'd probably rather go to a New Japan show.
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Show just keeps getting better and they haven't even announced a card. But if Cody being leader of Bullet Club means a new episode of Being the Elite isn't going to drop on time then I want Kenny back.
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If Cody really put his mind to it, I’m sure he could draw 10 people with a pen and a paper.
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Three more wrestlers have been confirmed for the Bullet Club's All In show.

Joey Janela & Penelope Ford and Chelsea Green were added to the lineup for All In today. They join Cody Rhodes, The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Stephen Amell, Hangman Page, Marty Scurll, Tessa Blanchard, Penta El Zero M, Rey Fenix, Kazuchika Okada, and Deonna Purrazzo as names that have been announced for the show.

Janela is coming off his Spring Break II event with Game Changer Wrestling in New Orleans over WrestleMania weekend. He and Ford regularly team together in intergender tag matches, but their role for All In has yet to be revealed. Green departed Impact Wrestling (where she wrestled as Laurel Van Ness) in January.

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The Sears Centre Arena in the Chicago area is set to host All In on September 1st.
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Feeling less and less positive about this show. I don't see a clear sell out main event in the works here. I think the best option would be to go with Okada/Omega as the main but I don't know. I guess the biggest question is, can they get CM Punk to do this show?
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Is it assumed that Cody is in the main event here? If so, it ain't gonna happen.
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I don't think they need CM Punk. Personally I think Penta vs Okada would be cool. Cody/Kenny 2 without the Bucks getting involved.
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I've got weird feelings about Cody. I always wanted him to do well, and I thought his tag team with Goldust in 2013 was amazing. I just sense this douchiness about him since he's left? I don't really know how to put it, but I when one of the MLW Radio guys was talking about it, they sounded a bit critical of Cody thinking he was a top guy. I was thinking "Cody is probably simply on a pilgrimage to improve," but then he does all these things that just feel like...sports entertainment missteps with the vanity of them happening to him. He got Downstait to do his theme, he's dyed his hair to be like his dad, he's doing in-fighting in stables angles, he's doing "funny" backstage segments, and he made that weird Twitter post about belts holding up pants. Was he being sarcastic?

I dunno -- Cody feels like a WWE mid-carder that ran away and is now playing WWE main eventer outside the WWE.
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Pretty spot on except for the hair part, said he did it for an acting job. He's using the wrestling royalty gimmick with his lineage and I think the boys have bought into it and even some promoters. I think the stuff they've done with Being the Elite has been pretty innovative and really helpful for ROH seing as they only have an hour of TV a week. I think the should start up a spin off Being All In to push story lines for the event.
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I think it's kind of funny, Cody left WWE because he supposedly was tired of all the goofy shit he had to do as Stardust & wanted to be a "wrestler" again - then he dyes his hair, switches to sillylooking ring gear and starts coming to the ring with a bear mascot wearing a tie XD
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I think it's kind of funny, Cody left WWE because he supposedly was tired of all the goofy shit he had to do as Stardust & wanted to be a "wrestler" again - then he dyes his hair, switches to sillylooking ring gear and starts coming to the ring with a bear mascot wearing a tie XD
Yeah, that's exactly it. If I had to offer a completely unfounded psychological assessment, I'd say that Cody has spent so much time in the WWE bubble, and got there so young, that he doesn't really know the difference between goofy and serious, and he thinks that serious is just goofy outside the WWE with a "push." And since Dusty was up there for such a long time, and was also behind the scenes in TNA and WCW, I think that maybe some of his philosophies may have become "appropriated" in order to survive in the different week-to-week atmosphere, and Cody may have taken some instruction from that.

I just don't get why a guy doing WWE shtick thinks he's going to draw 10,000 people just because he's doing WWE shtick without the WWE machine behind him. It seems really arrogant to me. In that unfounded, non-wrestling way. I get the feeling that he's genuinely got a really high opinion of himself, and that radio host I was talking about earlier was actually pretty spot-on the money with him.
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