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Old 07-25-2019, 04:47 PM   #1641
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AEW's current plans in regards to PPVs, house shows tours, and work load for the roster.

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The goal right now is to run 100 to 120 live events per year, probably four PPVs, 51 television shows and many Saturday night house shows and on occasion more than one house show a week, but with the idea that in spreading the talent out, the top talent does maybe 75 matches, a number hopeful to keep their ability to work great matches high, since that’s probably more of a key goal is high match quality on top as compared with any other promotion
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Old 07-25-2019, 06:43 PM   #1642
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I might have to figure a way to go to DC, thats pretty spiffy
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Old 07-25-2019, 10:01 PM   #1643
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Old 07-26-2019, 12:25 AM   #1644
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Is that Nakazawa behind Kong? I only ask because here he looks like a love child of 2 Cold Scorpio. Guess "Todd is God" in Japan, too.
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Old 07-26-2019, 02:56 AM   #1645
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To be honest.

I've actually felt let down by the AEW product with the Fyter Fest and Fight for the Fallen.

If I compare it to current WWE product I'm like Oh! MY! FUCKING! GOD! this is awesome but I am a tad older and remember when certain moves, finishers were sacred.

There have been plenty of times where I feel old and am like, "These guys need to fucking sell these moves!" then kickout, match continues and something else crazy happens 30 seconds later. KICKOUT!

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Hangman Adam Page over the top rope powerbombed Kip "Essentially Nobody" Sabian to the stage to a thunderous reaction. Match should have been fucking over if selling meant a damn thing but it wasn't and Adam Page immediately followed it up with a swinging TOP ROPE neck-breaker to an immediate pinfall which was kicked out of with way too much enthusiasm. Kip springboarded off the top rope with ease a minute later. The eventual finish was mediocre compared to the reaction of this series of moves.

But Damn! How much more impressive would it have been if HANGMAN Adam Page just countout Super Powerbombed his way into the Chris Jericho match?

I don't know, some of this AEW stuff just feels way too much like 2002-2004 TNA X Division opening match 6 man stuff where you have flippy dippy no sell practice but to a further extreme.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:43 AM   #1646
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Yeah, there’s more of an early TNA vibe to AEW than a lot of people want to admit. Cody is what gives me hope. I like to think he’s got a mind for the business and with time, hopefully he can weed out the WWE-lite bullshit from the product. I feel like he might be too nice and wanna just let his friends have free reign at this point.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:53 AM   #1647
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Yeah WAY too much goofy bullshit for my liking, but it's still better than anything WWE tbh
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:59 AM   #1648
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Oh, by a fucking mile.
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Old 07-26-2019, 11:28 AM   #1649
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I feel that some AEW flip floppers area little "backyard" so I hope they lose that and as well do away with the comedy attempts.
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Old 07-26-2019, 12:17 PM   #1650
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yeah the comedy BS (whether it be with words or in the ring) needs to go. and that's every wrestling company. I mean you can have your comedy characters and a few segments, but i feel like almost every segment is written to have some sort of humor. it's annoying. That Roman Reigns/Joe segment is an example. I don't want to see Reigns and Joe going back and forth with lame jokes on each other. everyone tries to be funny these days and it gets old
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Old 07-26-2019, 01:57 PM   #1651
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I wonder if the Stone Cold Stunner is responsible in any way for the death of the "Rude Awakening" style neckbreaker as a finish? Swinging neckbreakers are pure aesthetics but the classic always looks legit.
Somebody should have an oldschool gimmick where they do lots of mat wrestling in their matches, a little bit of brawling and only ever win with "classic" devastating wrestling moves like the superplex, neckbreaker, atomic drop(probably as a set up to a fist, knee or elbow drop) and stuff like that. It must have been done before. I don't mean Kurt Angle style, that was too high tempo. Get a guy who can slow it right down and work a leg for ten minutes.

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Lol no. He is talking about a hair comb designed like a switch blade. He had a comb pulled on him.
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Old 07-26-2019, 03:01 PM   #1652
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I’ve actually thought about the idea of a company that goes TOO far treating everything like it’s legit again. Not giving so much as a hint in public. Having nothing but “old school” mat wrestling matches. Going out of their way to be in character while in public. And I don’t mean Ronda calling Becky Lynch by her real name and breaking kayfabe. I mean Becky Lynch IS her real name. And if you try to tell her it isn’t, she doesn’t know or care what the fuck you’re talking about.

It could actually be amazing. A hilarious niche for the new school fans but at the same time, everything an old school fan could ask for.
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Old 07-26-2019, 06:01 PM   #1653
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The day that guy won an MMA match with a Boston Crab proved that it wouldn't be hard to blur the lines again. That was a great moment for a wrestling fan my age.
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The guy he does it to probably shouldn't have been in there. He can't even crawl away.
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Old 07-26-2019, 09:57 PM   #1655
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To be honest.

I've actually felt let down by the AEW product with the Fyter Fest and Fight for the Fallen.
They were practically house shows. That was intentional. They were both free for fucks sake. What do you want them to do? Blow their load on a charity event and have nothing left for the PPV and TV debut?

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If I compare it to current WWE product I'm like Oh! MY! FUCKING! GOD! this is awesome but I am a tad older and remember when certain moves, finishers were sacred.

There have been plenty of times where I feel old and am like, "These guys need to fucking sell these moves!" then kickout, match continues and something else crazy happens 30 seconds later. KICKOUT!

For example:
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But Damn! How much more impressive would it have been if HANGMAN Adam Page just countout Super Powerbombed his way into the Chris Jericho match?

I don't know, some of this AEW stuff just feels way too much like 2002-2004 TNA X Division opening match 6 man stuff where you have flippy dippy no sell practice but to a further extreme.
Stop watching only the Young Bucks.

Seriously though, I get what you're saying and I can get behind some of it. They've had brawls n stuff too like Cody/Dustin so it's not like the Buck's style rules the roost. Got to have a little variation in the match type to reel in various types of fans and keep things fresh so it isn't a standard Raw tv match.
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Old 07-26-2019, 09:58 PM   #1656
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Big fan of the "guy with no legs" stuff and other things like that, hope they continue to do it and don't listen to the people who "hate it"
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Look, they've got word of mouth and more momentum behind them than anyone has ever seen since the deaths of WCW/ECW to counter WWF/E. Just enjoy the ride for now and see how far they can take this.
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Big fan of the "guy with no legs" stuff and other things like that, hope they continue to do it and don't listen to the people who "hate it"
If the dude can entertain, put him on camera. If we can endure year after year of Hornswoggle antics/matches this guy should be given a shot to do something people have yet to see.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:08 PM   #1659
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Stop watching only the Young Bucks.

Seriously though, I get what you're saying and I can get behind some of it. They've had brawls n stuff too like Cody/Dustin so it's not like the Buck's style rules the roost. Got to have a little variation in the match type to reel in various types of fans and keep things fresh so it isn't a standard Raw tv match.
Even the Bucks showed they can change up their style whenever needed in AEW. Their match against the Rhodes Bros was a lot less flippy and slower paced than people associate with their matches.
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Yeah. They can do it if they want which is what's frustrating about them to alot of people.

I don't love em or hate em but if I had to use a Bucks match for a bathroom break I wouldn't think I was missing out on much I haven't seen before.
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Can either Kong still go or if they have a match at All Out is it just going to be female Taker/Goldberg?

Kharma one of the things I wished worked out more than alot in recent memory. Was so pissed off when they were doing everything I ever dreamed with her only for her to have to leave suddenly.
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That legless guy is pure bullshit, watching him scramble around and awkwardly bump off the rope to do the least graceful acrobatics I have ever seen is embarrassing and if I feel that way there have to be plenty of his colleagues that do too.

The morbidly obese guy and the guy that's half the size of Jungle Boy belong in the unemployed wannabe wrestler line with him. Someone will get badly hurt or will badly hurt somebody trying to work around them.
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That legless guy is pure bullshit, watching him scramble around and awkwardly bump off the rope to do the least graceful acrobatics I have ever seen is embarrassing and if I feel that way there have to be plenty of his colleagues that do too.

The morbidly obese guy and the guy that's half the size of Jungle Boy belong in the unemployed wannabe wrestler line with him. Someone will get badly hurt or will badly hurt somebody trying to work around them.
Isn't all of this pure bullshit?
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It was pretty fucking funny when MJF corner stomped him and called him Lieutenant Dan but that's the most you should ever use a gimmick like that.
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Isn't all of this pure bullshit?

My opinion or the nature of pro wrestling?
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It was pretty fucking funny when MJF corner stomped him and called him Lieutenant Dan but that's the most you should ever use a gimmick like that.
MJF easily most breakout star potential. Like you took the Miz and Del Rio and made it even better on the mic.
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If Marko Stunt, or the legless guy or even Joey Janela were in one of those backyard videos that are often posted here, we’d all be having a laugh. If anyone called for them to be signed by a company and wrestle on a major cable network, it would clearly be meant as a joke.
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I hope somebody shoots on the legless guy and busts his arm.

That's what Ole Anderson would do.
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If he was around in the 80's they could have stuck him on a big guy's shoulders and done Master Blaster from Mad Max 3: Beyond Thunderdome. They had Lord Humongous from Mad Max 2....
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They still could but they'd probably use a real mentally disabled guy and then it would be even more tasteless but almost progressive in a way.
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yeah the comedy BS (whether it be with words or in the ring) needs to go. and that's every wrestling company. I mean you can have your comedy characters and a few segments, but i feel like almost every segment is written to have some sort of humor. it's annoying. That Roman Reigns/Joe segment is an example. I don't want to see Reigns and Joe going back and forth with lame jokes on each other. everyone tries to be funny these days and it gets old
The last wrestling - to me - that was actually funny was WWF in 2000 when Foley was commish and interplaying with Edge and Christian and the likes. Rock ofc was funny too. Also, a bit past that with Austin as unhinged alliance heel was hilarious.

But that stuff wasn't people trying to come across as funny. It was true to their characters and came off as natural. Now it's just guys trying really hard with shitty attempts at lame 'zingers' that never ever land. Or it's overly elaborate, orchestrated hokey bullshit.

What bothers me with the Bucks and Omega is they think it's like high art and because their sample-sized group of weeny virgin fan pops for the lame shit, they should keep doing it. Hopefully they wake up.
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At the begining of AEW we.were hyped on a sports presentation. I think a lot of people are quickly turned off by seeing humor like WWE does and worse. The Librarians are an example of a complete fail from the begining. I don't want to hear Jr talk about anything to do with Vince, I don't want Cody to talk about Triple H. I just want a good product that has NOTHING to do with Vince or his product style.

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The last wrestling - to me - that was actually funny was WWF in 2000 when Foley was commish and interplaying with Edge and Christian and the likes. Rock ofc was funny too. Also, a bit past that with Austin as unhinged alliance heel was hilarious.

But that stuff wasn't people trying to come across as funny. It was true to their characters and came off as natural. Now it's just guys trying really hard with shitty attempts at lame 'zingers' that never ever land. Or it's overly elaborate, orchestrated hokey bullshit.

What bothers me with the Bucks and Omega is they think it's like high art and because their sample-sized group of weeny virgin fan pops for the lame shit, they should keep doing it. Hopefully they wake up.
I always thought Santino was funny, too. He’s the only guy post 2000-ish who actually made me laugh with WWE comedy.
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