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Old 08-16-2019, 12:12 AM   #1841
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Also Jim Cornette has lost it. He's grouping together everything he hates. Somehow he found a way to compare AEW to Trump and the Republican party. I enjoy hearing him shit on AEW and all but his latest podcast was sad.
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Cornette’s latest podcast was brilliant.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:31 AM   #1843
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It’s called a segue, Simple Fan, you simple fuck.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:00 AM   #1844
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No a segue is when you transition to another subject all together that might tie in. I waited the whole podcast for the damn thing to start. It's not a segue if you jump back and forth between the two subjects at will. He's lost it to the point he's finding anything he can in the things he dislikes to compare.
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No, he segued from talking about how stupid AEW is for hiring that guy to how stupid the gun shit is in the US. You’re just too stupid to follow. The only thing that came close was when he pointed out that invisible men are stupid whether they are in the sky or a wrestling ring, which was pretty clever and tied everything together well.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:21 PM   #1846
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No he didn't. He compared everything from Orange Cassidy to Tony Kahn to the Young Bucks to Trump, the Republican party and guns. He didn't segue from shit, as he just jumped back and forth between the two but its a stupid comparison to begin.
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:36 PM   #1847
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about people he would block on Twitter when he began that tirade. There was no real comparison made between Trump and AEW wrestling.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:50 PM   #1849
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The twitter part was about the Young Bucks because they blocked him. He compared their ability to influence Tony to hire shitty wrestlers to Trump influencing stupid Americans.
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Ach well that's a hyperbolic non sequitur. I don't see any reason to take him seriously when he says things like that, especially since he is a wrestling personality and not a political commentator.
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I think he just feels intense anger at certain things and when he gets that feeling he relates it to whatever last made him feel that way.
Don't scrutinise the politics in a podcast about wrestling history.
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The point of Orange Cassidy is that he's a rich kid waster. He's always either too lazy, hungover or stoned to give a shit about wrestling. Him wrestling with his hands in his pockets isn't "exposing the business" because, when he's wrestling like that, he's terrible - his strikes have no impact, none of the moves he attempts really land, because he's not trying to win the fight.

If he gets serious, he's more than capable of winning, but he rarely does. If anything, that does more to support wrestling as a legitimate fight than if people were selling his hands-in-pockets stuff as serious offense.

But, of course, that would be apparent if people actually watched his matches before criticizing him.
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The point of Orange Cassidy is that he's a rich kid waster. He's always either too lazy, hungover or stoned to give a shit about wrestling. Him wrestling with his hands in his pockets isn't "exposing the business" because, when he's wrestling like that, he's terrible - his strikes have no impact, none of the moves he attempts really land, because he's not trying to win the fight.

If he gets serious, he's more than capable of winning, but he rarely does. If anything, that does more to support wrestling as a legitimate fight than if people were selling his hands-in-pockets stuff as serious offense.

But, of course, that would be apparent if people actually watched his matches before criticizing him.

"Exposing the business" in an in-ring sense means to do something that makes it obvious to viewers that the action is controlled or illegitimate. In this sense Orange Cassidy absolutely is exposing the business.

That being said, nobody in a professional wrestling promotion has to worry about kayfabe now because the cat was let entirely out of the bag by the mid 90's.
Jim Cornette knows the cat can't go back in the bag with AEW or WWE so complaining about their wrestlers breaking kayfabe or "exposing" the business is ludicrous. It's even worse when everybody in their right mind knew it was fake for about 50 years before that.

I love Corny but he can't win the war on sports entertainment because it is effectively a stunt show now. Nobody tries to convince anybody it's real nowadays.

So all in all Jim clearly has huge insecurity over his assertion that everybody who saw his shows back in the day believed it. I think somewhere deep in his heart he knows that the average wrestling crowd knew it was a work and even the riots were born out of the audience's desire to misbehave than anybody truly believing it.

Those that did believe it were stupid, naive or deluded.

People forget that riots and dangerous crowd interactions don't mean that people bought it. It just means they wanted their money's worth whether that be in the result or the in ring work. Also, some people just like to stab, punch or kick wrestlers regardless of their authenticity.
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No he didn't. He compared everything from Orange Cassidy to Tony Kahn to the Young Bucks to Trump, the Republican party and guns. He didn't segue from shit, as he just jumped back and forth between the two but its a stupid comparison to begin.
You are actually a moron. First it was the Eli Drake fandom, then it was the nationalism, now this. Your analysis on anything should not be trusted.

He pointed out that Tony Khan is being fleeced just like Trump is fleecing people, but they are clearly two separate subjects connected by a theme of stupidity and being influenced. I can’t believe you need a throat-clearing on that.

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The point of Orange Cassidy is that he's a rich kid waster. He's always either too lazy, hungover or stoned to give a shit about wrestling. Him wrestling with his hands in his pockets isn't "exposing the business" because, when he's wrestling like that, he's terrible - his strikes have no impact, none of the moves he attempts really land, because he's not trying to win the fight.

If he gets serious, he's more than capable of winning, but he rarely does. If anything, that does more to support wrestling as a legitimate fight than if people were selling his hands-in-pockets stuff as serious offense.

But, of course, that would be apparent if people actually watched his matches before criticizing him.
That is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Yeah, when I am hungover or stoned, the thing I like to do is go into a professional fight I don’t give a shit about with my hands in my pockets and wearing sunglasses over my eyes that someone could smack the lenses into. That is so fucking ridiculous.

And why would someone hire this guy to fight? There’s a fundamental problem in the psychology of paying someone like that to get into the ring. From a marketing perspective to a health and safety one.

But yes, this makes wrestling look more legitimate. Pick a fight with a hungover person and watch them put their hands in their pockets as a defense mechanism. Holy shit, lol.
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"Exposing the business" in an in-ring sense means to do something that makes it obvious to viewers that the action is controlled or illegitimate. In this sense Orange Cassidy absolutely is exposing the business.

That being said, nobody in a professional wrestling promotion has to worry about kayfabe now because the cat was let entirely out of the bag by the mid 90's.
Jim Cornette knows the cat can't go back in the bag with AEW or WWE so complaining about their wrestlers breaking kayfabe or "exposing" the business is ludicrous. It's even worse when everybody in their right mind knew it was fake for about 50 years before that.

I love Corny but he can't win the war on sports entertainment because it is effectively a stunt show now. Nobody tries to convince anybody it's real nowadays.

So all in all Jim clearly has huge insecurity over his assertion that everybody who saw his shows back in the day believed it. I think somewhere deep in his heart he knows that the average wrestling crowd knew it was a work and even the riots were born out of the audience's desire to misbehave than anybody truly believing it.

Those that did believe it were stupid, naive or deluded.

People forget that riots and dangerous crowd interactions don't mean that people bought it. It just means they wanted their money's worth whether that be in the result or the in ring work. Also, some people just like to stab, punch or kick wrestlers regardless of their authenticity.
We’re in trouble when you are making more sense than most other people in a thread. Corny doesn’t believe that people 100% believed it though. He states this constantly, and that people always knew something was up. He just appreciates when there’s logic unpinning everything, and there is a point to the platform for simulating conflict. He also likes it when wrestling attempts to play at your emotions and doesn’t immediately say “Hey, we tried to manipulate you, don’t get too invested though” like The Young Bucks did with the Shawn Spears heel turn.

If you think about it, that was literally the EVPs of a company trying to make you mad telling you not to be mad. It’s actually insane. Only wrestling.

I also disagree that people can’t be worked. Almost half the US voted for Trump. Have you ever heard a rumor get off the ground? There are people who are convinced that wrestling has always used fake blood. There are people who think Jesus loves them or that woman really did cum that many times. Marketing still exists when we know exactly what our needs are.

Working is literally everywhere except wrestling. It’s the weirdest thing.
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Imagine not taking your MMA career seriously, so the night before you get smashed and then go into your UFC fight with your hands in your pockets. Come on, Vito, you have to admit that was a ridiculous thing to say.
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Hardly. Work in HR as long as I have and you'll find there are people in literally every profession that do the bare minimum of just showing up. I've worked with people like that too - holy shit this guy can be a star performer but he'd rather just come in and coast along. People who show moments of brilliance but who have no interest in applying themselves.
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Hell you can find these fuckheads in college all the time too.

"Shouldn't you study for the test tomorrow instead of going to that party?"
"Fuck nah, C's get degrees"


Dude we're talking about a sport where you get punched in the face, a guy with his hands in his pockets will die.
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You can't see why having your hands in your pockets in a fight is a bad idea?
Ask Anderson Silva what too much clowning will get you, and he didn't even have pockets.
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You can't see why having your hands in your pockets in a fight is a bad idea?
Ask Anderson Silva what too much clowning will get you, and he didn't even have pockets.
Of course it's a bad idea. Doesn't mean there aren't dumb fucks who will do it.

No worse of an idea than showing up to your job at a manufacturing plant and fucking about. I've seen quite a few workers comp cases in my time.
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Orange Cassidy gets told by HR that he'll be fired due to fucking about too much and then turns into a badass submission machine who doesn't take shit from anybody.
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Old 08-16-2019, 05:55 PM   #1871
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The point of Orange Cassidy is that he's a rich kid waster. He's always either too lazy, hungover or stoned to give a shit about wrestling. Him wrestling with his hands in his pockets isn't "exposing the business" because, when he's wrestling like that, he's terrible - his strikes have no impact, none of the moves he attempts really land, because he's not trying to win the fight.

If he gets serious, he's more than capable of winning, but he rarely does. If anything, that does more to support wrestling as a legitimate fight than if people were selling his hands-in-pockets stuff as serious offense.

But, of course, that would be apparent if people actually watched his matches before criticizing him.
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You can't see why having your hands in your pockets in a fight is a bad idea?
Ask Anderson Silva what too much clowning will get you, and he didn't even have pockets.
I kinda like the spot in a match I saw where he did a kip up with his hands in his pockets and the other guy tried with his hands in his trunks and was looking like an idiot rocking back and forth.
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Of course it's a bad idea. Doesn't mean there aren't dumb fucks who will do it.

No worse of an idea than showing up to your job at a manufacturing plant and fucking about. I've seen quite a few workers comp cases in my time.


We were talking about "exposing the business". We are not talking about "bad things to do at work".
Vito come on. You keep ignoring the literal aspect of it. How can anyone believe in this? I'm not arguing about how fun it is to watch or how valid it is as a form of entertainment either, just responding to your claim that Orange Cassidy is not exposing the wrestling business.
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We were talking about "exposing the business". We are not talking about "bad things to do at work".
Vito come on. You keep ignoring the literal aspect of it. How can anyone believe in this? I'm not arguing about how fun it is to watch or how valid it is as a form of entertainment either, just responding to your claim that Orange Cassidy is not exposing the wrestling business.
I've already addressed that in my original post. It would be ridiculous if Orange Cassidy to attempt to win a fight by keeping his hands in his pockets and throwing soft slow motion kicks. But he's not expecting to win the fight. He's not trying to win. He does not care.

And his opponents react in kind. They don't sell his weak ass offense. If anything, a lot of them get flustered because they presumably spent time training for this fight only for this slacker to show up not even taking it seriously.

It's not "exposing the business" merely having a guy on the card who is completely phoning it in. People phone it in in every profession.
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Comparing voting for Trump to a work is egregious. The people knew what they were doing.
Some did, absolutely. Some got worked.

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Stop using exaggerated extremes. There’s a difference between working in HR and getting punched in the face. Jokes aside. Do you think people walk out into battlefields with their hands in their pockets? Being a coaster might mean getting by on your talent, like a Randy Orton or something (who still works incredibly hard to be an athlete at any sort of professional level). It doesn’t mean going into a fight defenseless, ignoring the fight or flight response and pretending to kick your opponent.

If he doesn’t want to be there, why is he there? Why does Tony Khan employ him? It makes no sense.

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Dude we're talking about a sport where you get punched in the face, a guy with his hands in his pockets will die.
Seanny is right and I’m not even going to be snarky about it.?

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I've already addressed that in my original post. It would be ridiculous if Orange Cassidy to attempt to win a fight by keeping his hands in his pockets and throwing soft slow motion kicks. But he's not expecting to win the fight. He's not trying to win. He does not care.

And his opponents react in kind. They don't sell his weak ass offense. If anything, a lot of them get flustered because they presumably spent time training for this fight only for this slacker to show up not even taking it seriously.

It's not "exposing the business" merely having a guy on the card who is completely phoning it in. People phone it in in every profession.
I cannot believe I am reading this, lol. Not caring if you win or lose is exposing the business. The way he “fights” exposes the business. It’s clearly fake. No one apathetically fights like that, lol. Imagine watching MMA and seeing a guy try that shit. Wtf have you been smoking, Vito?

What’s the point of any of this shit? What is the point of wrestling if the conflict doesn’t matter? And that’s not taking into account that it’d be executed badly if he were a masochist or nihilist or whatever, and had a death wish. This is just a question about the way you frame stories. What is the point of wrestling if not to win?
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