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Old 09-01-2015, 11:34 PM   #18761
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:03 AM   #18762
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Old 09-02-2015, 04:38 AM   #18763
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Triple H vs. Sting was the right call, but it was the wrong finish. The start of the match was great, but they lost it in the overbooking. Sting looks good, Triple H cheats a little and beats down Sting. Cue Sting comeback, Triple H begs off, uses heel shenanigans to make a comeback. Maybe there's one Pedigree and Sting kicks out. Triple H punches referee, goes to get the sledgehammer. Triple H goes to nail Sting, but he gets a baseball bat instead. Scorpion Death Drop, new referee down...1-2-3.
Looking back, there was no way Triple H wasn't gonna put himself over in that match. That's why I think maybe going in another direction with someone who has enough of a name to where it's not a COMPLETELY lopsided match but also doesn't stand to lose much from jobbing to STING would have been a better call.
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Old 09-02-2015, 10:39 AM   #18764
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Should have been Sting vs Rollins at mania, Orton vs HHH. Have the old guy put over the new guy, Piss break during Orton vs HHH, Orton finally gets a singles win over HHH.
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Old 09-02-2015, 02:48 PM   #18765
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Triple H vs. Sting was the right call, but it was the wrong finish. The start of the match was great, but they lost it in the overbooking. Sting looks good, Triple H cheats a little and beats down Sting. Cue Sting comeback, Triple H begs off, uses heel shenanigans to make a comeback. Maybe there's one Pedigree and Sting kicks out. Triple H punches referee, goes to get the sledgehammer. Triple H goes to nail Sting, but he gets a baseball bat instead. Scorpion Death Drop, new referee down...1-2-3.
Sometimes people miss the bigger picture.

The way WWE told the HHH v Sting story was this was the Monday Night Wars revisited and come back to life. This was done in part to sell one of the major features of the WWE Network. Which is the #1 priority for WWE through the rest of the decade.

Plus Kane isn't on the same level as HHH star power wise. Kane v Sting would have come off as far less of a high profile match. Would have been a good Survivor Series match, not a featured fight at Mania.

Back to the Monday Night Wars. Anytime you do something that pits the WWE brand vs the WCW brand, the WWE brand should always win. WWE should never be in the business of making those 3 letters inferior to any other brand. No matter who currenyly owns the other brands. It's just poor brand management to create a story where WCW rises from the ashes and beats WWE.

The angle also set up this current Sting storyline which plays into the larger and more important angle of Rollins v HHH. Rollins now has another challenge to face to prove his worth to HHH. Another thing that HHH already did that Rollins has to live up to. He's constantly trying to step out of the shadow that HHH casts as a mentor and a boss.

Sting winning would have been a nice moment for Sting, but HHH is the weekly character. Sting is going to have maybe 2-3 more matches in his WWE run. Putting over Sting would have been a mistake because there is no long term gain. Good on WWE to see the bigger picture.
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:19 PM   #18766
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WWE should never be in the business of making those 3 letters inferior to any other brand. No matter who currenyly owns the other brands. It's just poor brand management to create a story where WCW rises from the ashes and beats WWE.
I disagree the only time WCW had success was when it had the 2 WWF guys come over and make all the WCW stars look like fools against them.

Also, the feud should not have been about WWE vs WCW. Sting himself said that was stupid
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:51 PM   #18767
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Unusual to see Andre having to run the gauntlet so to speak to get to the ring.
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Old 09-02-2015, 04:34 PM   #18768
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I disagree the only time WCW had success was when it had the 2 WWF guys come over and make all the WCW stars look like fools against them.

Also, the feud should not have been about WWE vs WCW. Sting himself said that was stupid
The NWO literally makes the point I'm talking about WCW was careless with their brand image. NWO was cool WCW was uncool. They made a one night attempt to rebrand (they should have gone all the way with that) and then got cold feet because of one rating. They went on to devalue the NWO brand making it less cool than it was. But they did damage so much damage to the WCW brand it hurt them down the line

The storyline that should have been used fir Sting v HHH is up for debate. Point is they went with the Monday Night Wars angle to have a high profile way to promote an important aspect of the Network. Given the storyline idea they came up with, the outcome was the right one.
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Old 09-02-2015, 05:00 PM   #18769
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But if WCW had Nash and Hall job on their way in because "WCW has to look better than the WWF" then the nWo would have just be a miniscule footnote on the story of WCW. Not the ratings winner.
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Old 09-02-2015, 05:19 PM   #18770
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But if WCW had Nash and Hall job on their way in because "WCW has to look better than the WWF" then the nWo would have just be a miniscule footnote on the story of WCW. Not the ratings winner.
Was Sting planning to start a 5 year run on the road with WWE or was he there for 1 or 2 shots? Do you now see how your comparison makes no sense?
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I'm not talking about stings case I'm talking about how you said "Brand A should always look better than Brand B if they are owned by Brand A"
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In the case of Sting vs HHH its a wash, Sting winning made more sense storyline wise since after the match HHH seemed to drift away anyways.

However the is still more money to be made out of HHH than there is to be made out of Sting.

Financially it makes sense for HHH to go over.
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Old 09-02-2015, 07:10 PM   #18773
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Sometimes people miss the bigger picture.

The way WWE told the HHH v Sting story was this was the Monday Night Wars revisited and come back to life. This was done in part to sell one of the major features of the WWE Network. Which is the #1 priority for WWE through the rest of the decade.

Plus Kane isn't on the same level as HHH star power wise. Kane v Sting would have come off as far less of a high profile match. Would have been a good Survivor Series match, not a featured fight at Mania.

Back to the Monday Night Wars. Anytime you do something that pits the WWE brand vs the WCW brand, the WWE brand should always win. WWE should never be in the business of making those 3 letters inferior to any other brand. No matter who currenyly owns the other brands. It's just poor brand management to create a story where WCW rises from the ashes and beats WWE.

The angle also set up this current Sting storyline which plays into the larger and more important angle of Rollins v HHH. Rollins now has another challenge to face to prove his worth to HHH. Another thing that HHH already did that Rollins has to live up to. He's constantly trying to step out of the shadow that HHH casts as a mentor and a boss.

Sting winning would have been a nice moment for Sting, but HHH is the weekly character. Sting is going to have maybe 2-3 more matches in his WWE run. Putting over Sting would have been a mistake because there is no long term gain. Good on WWE to see the bigger picture.
Except they're now using Sting in a title match. Whoops.

Also, Sting vs. Triple H should NEVER have been about WCW vs. WWE. Why the fuck would Sting come to fight for WCW's pride and honor FOURTEEN YEARS after the company has sank? He clearly showed up because he had a problem with the abuse of power The Authority was wielding. At least, that should have been the reason he came back.

They also ran the nWo out there who were Sting's mortal enemies. Trust me, I've tried to rationalize this like you have, but it's just too much work and glossing over history to try and sell history. It was bad. Then Triple H came out in a suit later for a promo in the middle of the ring. Great war, dude.
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Ric Flair has also come out and said he was not a fan of it.
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The money may not be in Sting working every PPV -- but there would be more mystique, more credibility and more excitement behind every performance he didn't lose his first match and then shake hands with the guy he apparently started a war with.
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Jim Cornette has also come out and said he was not a fan of it.
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I'm sure Hiroshi Tanahashi was not a fan of it.
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WWE is also looking for Latino referees and New Jersey indie talent Bandido Jr. has either signed already or is very close to signing with the company. He will be working as a referee.

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Probably the one time the WWE didn't need to actually fib the numbers since they had already legit broke a record.


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Didn't Sting say he was fighting Triple H because he didn't respect him and thought he was a power-hungry megalomaniac who needed to be stopped (while everyone else ignored his stated reasons and said it was because of WCW vs WWE)

But now he is all respecting Triple H, and pretty much James Steeling him...
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Imagine the heat Triple H/Seth Rollins tension they are trying to build would have if Rollins was trying to beat the guy that beat Triple H? As it stands, Rollins NEEDS to beat a guy that Triple H beat in order to be as good as the guy who stands around in a suit, even though he's meant to be the fucking champion.

They could have had Seth Rollins beat Sting, causing an insecure rift to develop between Triple H and Seth Rollins -- leading to Triple H turning on his prodigy and having clearly defined face/heel lines. As it stands, if Seth loses the World Title to Sting and Triple H and Stephanie McMahon drop him, how does Seth really have any sympathy or credibility?
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Old 09-02-2015, 10:34 PM   #18783
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Didn't Sting say he was fighting Triple H because he didn't respect him and thought he was a power-hungry megalomaniac who needed to be stopped (while everyone else ignored his stated reasons and said it was because of WCW vs WWE)

But now he is all respecting Triple H, and pretty much James Steeling him...
Yeah, but let's forget that to tell a story about the nWo vs. DX...because that will apparently sell the Network.
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Old 09-02-2015, 10:36 PM   #18784
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I love you CyNick, sorry; but I just refuse to accept Triple H going over was the right choice. And I don't blame Triple H. His NXT guys had the sense to put Jushin Liger over Tyler Breeze. Reports say that it was Sting's wish, but someone needed to tell that dude to shut the fuck up and make some money. Be humble when you're against a young guy in a few months.
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Old 09-03-2015, 12:34 AM   #18788
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Old 09-03-2015, 01:05 AM   #18789
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Current card for the special MSG show on the Network next month:

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* WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins vs. John Cena with just the WWE United States Title on the line

* Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho (changed from Owens vs. Cesaro)

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* Appearances by The Dudley Boyz, Mark Henry, The New Day, Team Bella, Stardust and others
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Didn't Sting say he was fighting Triple H because he didn't respect him and thought he was a power-hungry megalomaniac who needed to be stopped (while everyone else ignored his stated reasons and said it was because of WCW vs WWE)

But now he is all respecting Triple H, and pretty much James Steeling him...
Supposedly Sting was just playing mind games with Rollins to put a bigger wedge between him and HHH and I guess the rumors of Rollins vs HHH in the future could be true.
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Apparently John Laurinitis now engaged to Mom Bella.....
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Current card for the special MSG show on the Network next month:

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Apparently John Laurinitis now engaged to Mom Bella.....
Needs to be an angle with Big Johnny coming back to TV and behaving like 50s/60s sitcom dad to Daniel Bryan and John Cena.....
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Can start calling Cena "Little Johnny" or "John Junior".

"Now Little Johnny, I told you... no title shot until you clean your locker room, mister! Maybe afterwards we can go play some catch, would you like that, sport?"
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Can start calling Cena "Little Johnny" or "John Junior".

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With special guest appearance by little Jimmy
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