09-18-2015, 06:37 PM | #19361 |
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When it was on Lesnar it was definitely gaining credibility again. Like I said, I'd rather it be on a part-time spectacle at this point rather than it being what it is now. Putting it on far lesser guys with no credibility and crossing their fingers is definitely counter-productive.
Plus, if there's ever a time to use the title to just give a guy like Sting a reign it would be now when he can actually bring up the prestige as opposed to taking it from someone like Cena or Lesnar. |
09-18-2015, 06:48 PM | #19362 |
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Nothing will ever make the WWE title prestigious to any of you ever again because you're not 10-year-old kids any more. Same as the Intercontinental and the United States titles. You should all stop banging on about it's prestige and "elevating guys" because at the end of the day, wrestling will never be the same again as it was for us all in our youths.
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09-18-2015, 07:31 PM | #19363 | |
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Terrible analogy and rather bizarre tbh. |
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09-18-2015, 07:48 PM | #19364 |
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CyNick is apparently a big fan of missing the point, telling other people what they want and failing to recognise the flaws in his own work. It's not really surprising he has this stance on current WWE.
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09-18-2015, 08:11 PM | #19365 | |
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Of course this all comes back to the fact that WWE doesn't know how to book properly anymore. If they were to keep the belt on a guy like Lesnar for a couple years maybe, or bring in a couple of big names to feud with him over those few years they could then have everyone else fighting for the secondary titles. All of this would however require WWE to actually put effort into those smaller feuds and actually write compelling storylines. |
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09-18-2015, 08:14 PM | #19366 |
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Undertaker/Sting with the WWE Title on the line at Mania in Dallas is intriguing to me....would have been 10 times better 10 years ago, but beggars cannot be choosers....
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09-18-2015, 08:20 PM | #19367 | |
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Children can be entertained with crap, just like the majority of adults can. But just because you can survive on crap doesn't mean you should have to. WWE is perfectly capable of making quality entertainment that all ages could enjoy. They just choose not to, period. |
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09-18-2015, 08:28 PM | #19368 |
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I'm not talking about the quality of the product, I'm talking about what internet fans consider the "prestige" of the titles.
I guarantee, every single title in the WWE from this day forward will always be spoken about in the context of comparing it to it's "former glories", or how it can "regain it's prestige" or some other nonsense. There will never, ever be a day when internet fans will be happy and say how prestigious any specific title is. Not anymore. |
09-18-2015, 08:35 PM | #19369 |
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Also, in regards to comparing it to a kids show, you need to consider how your mindset has changed since your youth.
When you were ten, you'd watch a cartoon and you knew it was a cartoon, nothing more. You'd watch wrestling and it was super cool seeing these other-the-top characters beating each other up, winning championships etc. Now, when you watch a cartoon, you know it's a kids cartoon and you enjoy it for what it is. When you watch wrestling, as a grown-up, with a better idea of the inner-workings of the business and with the ins-and-outs of wrestling so exposed today, you don't watch it with the same mindset. |
09-19-2015, 12:11 AM | #19370 |
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Didn't recall the phrase "R.K.O., FROM OUT OF NOWHERE!" going so far back, but was watching DVD of Backlash '08 with Orton (c) v. Triple H v. Cena v. JBL in an elimination fatal-4-way for the WWE Championship...J.R. made the call of it...seems crazy that's been (probably on-and-off) used for at least around 7 1/2 years.
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09-19-2015, 12:18 AM | #19371 |
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09-19-2015, 12:21 AM | #19372 |
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I see Sting winning due to botched interference by HHH leading to HHH declaring himself number 1 contender and Rollins going after him for the spot. Meanwhile Sting can deal with Sheamus trying to cashing his briefcase with Cena sticking his nose in or he can be involved in the HHH/Rollins feud by egging Rollins on. In any event I see Stings role in the Title pretty much the same as one of Jerichos championship early runs, booked ok but not as the main event.
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09-19-2015, 12:24 AM | #19373 |
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First time i remember "RKO outta nowhere" was against Benoit at the finish of Summer Slam 04.
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09-19-2015, 01:12 AM | #19374 | ||
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For example I really felt the title held a lot of prestige throughout all of Lesnar's run with it. I also felt the same way when CM Punk had it because you had guys like the Rock even clamoring to beat him for it. It all just came down to the fact that the belt really felt like something major stars wanted. I think this deal with Sting is pretty great for that too. This is a guy that was the franchise player of WCW yet even he is interested in winning the belt. I'm not necessarily happy with him winning it (not angry either), but him wanting to fight for it at all is huge IMO since for years legends would just pop in and not even bother with the belt. Everyone should be ecstatic to get a shot at the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, even legends that are supposedly "above it". By making anyone above the title you sorta cheapen it. Quote:
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09-19-2015, 01:36 AM | #19375 |
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I was gonna mention Lesnar's reign as making the title bring a "big fight feel" with it. There are examples where the title's prestige is being raised even if they end up going in reverse. So the idea that titles can't have prestige because we're adults is kinda BS. I was not a 10 year old kid and was well aware wrestling was "fake" during the attitude era and that didn't stop title matches from being incredibly meaningful within the story because they meant something. Same deal when Lesnar had it but to a lesser degree because they'd spent so long diminishing it that one man, no matter how credible, could only do so much.
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09-19-2015, 01:44 AM | #19377 | |
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09-19-2015, 07:40 AM | #19378 |
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Does Carlito even want to come back?
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09-19-2015, 08:21 AM | #19379 |
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I hope so. Fucking loved Carlito.
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09-19-2015, 10:20 AM | #19380 |
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Awwwww @ awkward teenage Emma getting a pic with Trish. Love Emma. Want to take her out for a vegimite sandwhich.
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09-19-2015, 10:23 AM | #19381 |
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09-19-2015, 10:39 AM | #19382 |
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There is not a chance in hell of Sting walking out of Night of Champions with the WWE Title.
I can realistically see Cena beating Rollins for the US title, then Rollins beating Sting. Even if Sting does win the title, then Sheamus will cash in Money in the Bank afterwards (which would be a disastrous decision for business) but either way, Sting will not be the WWE champion the next night on Raw. |
09-19-2015, 11:31 AM | #19383 |
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I would be all for a Carlito return if he was interested in a comeback.
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09-19-2015, 11:44 AM | #19384 | |
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Another option if they want to get another month out of Sting, is have Rollins retain via DQ and then that justifies the HIAC rematch. In fact, if they did it where Rollins-Sting goes on before Rollins-Cena (say they flip a coin backstage to determine the order of the matches), then you can have Rollins retain via DQ, Cena beats Rollins for the US title with Sting's help. That sets up HIAC where you have Rollins go over Sting clean. That also sets up Survivor Series nicely where you can have a Rollins-Cena rematch for the WWE title. Last edited by The CyNick; 09-19-2015 at 12:11 PM. |
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09-19-2015, 11:47 AM | #19385 | |
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The title is VERY strong right now. Cena had it, and got battered by Lesnar. Lesnar was THE strongest WWE champion since probably Hogan in the 80s, maybe even going back to the Bruno days (although I wasnt around for those so cant really comment). And Rollins won the title in a way a villain should, and has retained it like a villain should. Playing hot potato with the belt championship, especially putting it on a senior citizen, only serves to devalue it. But hey, I know, we're supposed to bash the WWE booking on the internet. So my bad. |
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09-19-2015, 11:48 AM | #19386 |
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09-19-2015, 11:49 AM | #19387 | |
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You're right though, we should let Jim Cornette chime in on the flaws of the WWE business model. |
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09-19-2015, 11:52 AM | #19388 | |
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Its fine to do that, just doesnt mean you can have an opinion on current storylines because you are not following close enough. My guess is you are lying and you watch every week like the rest of us, and dont admit it. Its cool though, I still like you. Last edited by The CyNick; 09-19-2015 at 12:09 PM. |
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09-19-2015, 11:54 AM | #19389 | |
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09-19-2015, 11:55 AM | #19390 | |
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If you stayed off the dirt sheets you would enjoy the product much more. Trust me. |
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09-19-2015, 11:58 AM | #19391 | |
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IMO you gotta let the angle play out. WWE has been good about slowing their long term angles down. You can see an arch develop with the characters, and they actually build to something. May not always be exactly what you personally want to see, but its better than changing direction every 6 weeks. |
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09-19-2015, 12:05 PM | #19392 | |
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09-19-2015, 12:08 PM | #19393 |
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09-19-2015, 12:15 PM | #19394 | |
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09-19-2015, 12:25 PM | #19395 | |
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First RKO he ever did was on Kane, I believe, during the infamous Kane/Triple H "World Heavyweight Championship vs. Mask" match on RAW c. Summer '03, causing HHH to pin Kane and thus forcing Kane to unmask. |
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09-19-2015, 12:37 PM | #19396 |
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Yes, as in JR actually making the call.
And lol at "He's older than Vince than when Vince wonthe title". Clearly Vince and Sting are comparable. |
09-19-2015, 12:53 PM | #19397 |
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Someone clearly didn't read both of my posts properly.
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09-19-2015, 01:08 PM | #19398 |
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So 2k have announced that Sasha, Charlotte, Becky and Bayley WILL NOT be included in 2k16, nor will they be included as DLC. No real mention of why not, other than a hint at external figures being involved.
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09-19-2015, 01:34 PM | #19399 | |
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Don't miss the specials of PPVs usually though because the match quality is always excellent. I don't hate WWE, nor am I being critical because its cool. I, personally, just don't think Raw is very enjoyable because I personally don't find the repetitive nature or stories very interesting. Love the PPVs though, and I still like you too lol |
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09-19-2015, 02:24 PM | #19400 |
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