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Old 10-12-2010, 08:21 PM   #1921
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I doubt there'll be time for it in the first movie. They MIGHT make a mention of it in the Avengers movie, but I doubt more than that.
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Old 10-13-2010, 10:23 AM   #1922
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Talking about the cartoons...

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The dude playing Bucky in the Cap movie curiously signed for future Marvel films. Hmmmm...
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:29 AM   #1923
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Script review for Deadpool's latest draft. Minor spoilers, but it sounds awesome.
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:59 PM   #1924
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I just hope it's directed by Robert Rodriguez
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Old 10-13-2010, 09:04 PM   #1925
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Wow that sounds awesome. I stopped reading because I don't want to know any more.
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Old 10-13-2010, 09:13 PM   #1926
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I wonder of Fox has the balls to stay true to the tone. Sounds more hardcore than the comic.
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Old 10-13-2010, 09:20 PM   #1927
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Holy SHIT! This sounds fun, dark, disgusting, hilarious and awesome all at once.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:55 AM   #1928
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I am now more psyched for Deadpool than I am for Avengers.

Release the flying pigs.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:56 AM   #1929
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Can we hope for a Bea Arthur reference?
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I am now more psyched for Deadpool than I am for Avengers.

Release the flying pigs.

Hopefully it actually gets made. Sounds like the thing even being greenlit is in question. How is Reynolds involvement in question? I thought he was signed on for it.
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Old 10-14-2010, 03:02 AM   #1931
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WB wants to cockblock and hold Ryan for Green Lantern back-to-back sequels, which isn't really their style to people assumed they specifically didn't want him in another superhero movie.

Not like Fox/Marvel had him first but business this and that.

My ass if Ryan doesn't do this.
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While they're at it they should add a subtle joke about him also being Green Lantern. If they're going to allude to Wolverine being a seperate thing and sucking, then why not?
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Old 10-14-2010, 03:11 AM   #1933
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Well if GL turns out awesome I don't think they'd risk it. Ripping on quality shows and celebs did MADtv no favors in their final years.
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Old 10-14-2010, 03:16 AM   #1934
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I agree with the movie having no connection to Wolverine, but since they're using the same actor to play the role it will be strange to hear him reference it.
I know Deadpool breaks the 4th wall, but he still exists in the X-Men universe. And reboots don't usually refer to what they're rebooting.
Kind of hard to tell what they mean by referencing it without coming out and saying it. I'd guess I'd have to see what he says to understand.
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I thought the whole idea was that the bootleg Deadpool from the end of the Wolverine movie wasn't actually him.
Maybe that's what he'll address, while subtlely joking about how much it sucked.
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SPOILER: show


Then again, if they're using Colossus it's probably just a total reboot with no ties to the X-Men movies other than Reynolds.
That's great since Colossus was a total waste in part 3. His cameo in 2 was great but like everything else, the ball was dropped when Singer left.



So it's probably nothing to do with any of the X-Men movies altogether. Since they don't actually mention the Wolverine movie directly, it will probably be some subtle jab that makes sense within the movie, but also has a double meaning to the fans watching who get it.
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Old 10-14-2010, 03:26 AM   #1937
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I'm not so sure this Deadpool exists in the Singer-verse (which is pretty much at an end anyway). Even Wolverine 2 sounds like a reboot.

The X-Men universe is literally doing the opposite of the Avengers universe, branching off into separate entities. Strange.
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Yea but they're using the same actors and loosely trying to fit into the continuity, while rebooting. That leads to confusion.

With Deadpool it can work since he breaks the 4th wall and can make a subtle reference to it, and the movie can just be it's own thing outside of that.
Although it's strange to think he will exist in a universe where Wolverine is a movie to him as well. That's why I'm thinking there has to be more to that reference than the article reveals. It can't really say that.

Wolverine 2 can't be a reboot at all. Not as long as Hugh Jackman is playing the role.
They can completely ignore the first Wolverine though, which I hope they do. Since he has amnesia he can just be onto his next adventure with no memories or references to the previous film, at all. But it won't go back on anything from that film I don't think. Not with the same actor in the role.
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Also, haven't they confirmed that X-Men First Class is trying to serve as a prequel to the X-Men movies?
There are hardly any X-Men in it because they are letting the continuity limit them.
They want to reboot, but they're still fucking around with the movies also being sequels.
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Emma Frost is in First Class, a direct contradiction to Wolverine 1 (which is of the Singer-verse). First Class is very much a reboot. And having Hugh Jackman won't stop a reboot any more than Ryan stops Deadpool from being reboot. They're pretty much writing new rules here.
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But they have also said it is a prequel. The director says it's a prequel. Cyclops, Storm, Jean Grey and other major characters have been specifically left out because they are adhering to loose rules.
If they were starting from scratch, don't you'd think they'd want some of the major X-Men to be in their X-Men movie?
Why would they even go back to First Class instead of just starting over with all the components like Spiderman and Batman have?

Contradictions are a result of them trying to keep it a franchise while going in new directions. It's a mess, not a reboot.
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I think what's happening here is the first 3 X-Men movies are being treated like Canon, but that piece of shit Wolverine flick is being thrown in the trash, both by the X-Men prequel, and the Wolverine and Deadpool solo films that are coming in the wake of Wolverine
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Now let's watch Charles and Erik's visit to a young Jean Grey go ignored, as well as Charles save in Origins.

At what point would you consider this a reboot?
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And actions speak louder than words. I know what a reboot is, and unless there's some Star Trek genius explanation in the story, everything about this production says reboot.
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When the people making it do. When they completely ignore any previous films and include the characters from a clean slate.
Cleverly leaving characters out of it and trying to fit it into the timeline of the existing films isn't a reboot. It may be trying to reboot things in a way, but it really isn't. The director says so. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They are making creative choices based on elements from the other movies.

If we saw a whole new X-Men universe with all new introductions for Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, etc. etc. etc. then it would be a reboot.
I'll take the director and character listing's word on this being a prequel.
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And actions speak louder than words. I know what a reboot is, and unless there's some Star Trek genius explanation in the story, everything about this production says reboot.
Besides the director. And the fact that none of the characters from the original film are being included aside from Magneto and Prof X at a younger age.
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We won't really know until First Class 2 or 3, where they have no choice but to tread on Singer-verse ground, and then see if it's in continuity or not.
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I'm not sure where you're coming from though, just looking at the information about the movie.
You think they're rebooting this like Batman Begins or the upcoming Spider-Man, but they have just decided to include characters like Banshee, Havok and Azazel, and coincidentally leave out all of the major recognizable mutants from the first films like Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler? All of them. None of them are in it, but some of their fathers are, but it's a reboot?
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We won't really know until First Class 2 or 3, where they have no choice but to tread on Singer-verse ground, and then see if it's in continuity or not.
That doesn't change the fact that this isn't a reboot. If they retroactively decide to say fuck the originals, and build off of this and re-introduce all of the other characters, that doesn't mean it's a reboot.
It just means they decided to do so at a later date. This movie is clearly being made to be in continuity, besides the director coming out and saying as much.
Plus they are setting it in a timeframe that allows it to be so. If they were trying to start X-Men anew they would probably not be going for the late 1960s. They would set it in present for a number of reasons.
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They showed interest in going back into Prof X and especially Magneto's past for a while, in continuity or not.

I'm simply not convinced at this prequel angle.
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Why aren't you convinced? The director says it's a prequel, and it's clearly fucking obvious that they are setting it the past and leaving out characters who are not of age or were introduced differently in the orignal films.
The only example you have given is Emma Frost from Wolverine (which has likely just been ignored) and your own notion that it's a reboot, and that's that.
Everyone making it, and everything about the film that is known has pointed to it being a prequel plain and simple.
That's like saying Star Wars Episode 1 is a reboot, because I say so, and you can't prove me wrong until they don't introduce Han Solo and Luke Skywalker differently.
You're asking me to disregard everything the director, filmmakers, and common sense is saying about the movie, and prove a negative (it's a reboot until Wolverine doesn't show up in any hypothetical sequels), based on your claim which is supported by 0 evidence.
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So if they make 4 of these, and Wolverine and Rogue are still never introduced, you can say it's still a reboot because it might happen in the next one? Just ignoring all of the evidence to the contrary.
Don't you see how that is an ass backwards argument that has no end to it?

Also, just looking at it as a property, if this was a reboot the studio and filmakers would be chomping at the bit to get all of the recognizable characters in there. You think they just don't like money and popular characters, and just want to use Banshee and Havok instead of Wolverine and Rogue etc. for the fuck of it?
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They showed interest in going back into Prof X and especially Magneto's past for a while, in continuity or not.

I'm simply not convinced at this prequel angle.
Yes and their interest in doing so was in the form of prequels set in the 1960s, just like this has shaped into being.

The reason they have show such interest in going into the past of the franchise is because they want to continue it, but X3 fucked it up so much they can only go backwards.

It will be a reboot when they decide to reboot. Not when you decide it is. I'm sorry Jean Kalyx but I feel like you are completely ignoring multiple facts here just to preserve some notion that you had of it being a reboot.
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Nope, not buying it. Nope, nope, nope.
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Let me phone Mathew Vaughn and tell him that Jean Kalyx has sniffed him out and he can't proceed as planned.
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Ask him if he's making a Hit-Girl reboot/spin-off/alternate universe/sequel while you're at it.
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He says he's making a Kick Ass movie set several years before Kick Ass, and for the most part faithful to the events of Kick Ass, without including any characters first introduced during first movie. There will be no reworking of events. He says it's what is referred to in the industry as a "prequel" and very similar to what they did with Star Wars, or the upcoming Hobbit picture.

It's a reboot, I think.
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Sounds awesome. And suspicious.
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They should just have all prints and evidence of X-Men 3 and Wolverine destroyed. Pretend it never happened, and let Bryan Singer make X-Men 3, 4, and so on.
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