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Old 06-04-2023, 08:14 PM   #1921
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Buffy was pretty good for a few seasons. The ensemble got too big for my liking though.

Wonder what the guy that played Xander is up to these days…
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Old 06-04-2023, 08:19 PM   #1922
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Well that wasn’t surprising but it was quite a sad little Wiki search. That guy is going to get sober and then suddenly drop dead.

The best “I wonder what that guy is up to now?” searches were the gay cop in The Shield and half sack from Sons Of Anarchy. Nutters.
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Old 06-04-2023, 08:19 PM   #1923
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Yeah things haven’t been good for Nicholas Brendon.
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One episode left to go in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel

Won't be able to watch it until Tuesday though....
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Buffy was pretty good for a few seasons. The ensemble got too big for my liking though.

Wonder what the guy that played Xander is up to these days…
Buffy suffers from what a lot of top TV shows succumb to: the first three seasons are gold, and then the decline sets in and is terminal.
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Buffy suffers from what a lot of top TV shows succumb to: the first three seasons are gold, and then the decline sets in and is terminal.
Strongly disagree. The highschool era is definitely great but 5 and 6 are the best 2 seasons of the show. Marti Noxon taking over as show runner for season 4 while Joss worked on Firefly left it in shambles (but s4 has some real high points Emmy nominated "Hush," Spike being the funniest character on television and Anya's fear of bunnies in Fear Itself.)

Season 7 however has about 5 quality episodes. Namely Conversations with Dead People (featuring Pedro Pascal,) Him (as funny as any Buffy ep,) Slefless, Lies My Parents Told Me, and The Killer in Me. Its a mess of a season.

But the show kicks it into its 2nd phase when they leave high school and maybe you prefer it but the idea that the spike years are "downhill" is just ridiculous. Anya > Cordy as the hapless comic relief and Spike > Angel as the towns vampire we dont stake. Season 5, despite Dawn is the strongest written season complete with the most powerful 42 minutes ever put to TV with The Body and s6 is is the funniest season as a whole with what most people consider the best big bad outside of s2.

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Old 06-05-2023, 08:23 AM   #1928
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But as far as best buffy seasons if anyone picked 2,3,5 or 6 i really couldnt give any push back on any of them. All 4 are extremely excellent.
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Old 06-05-2023, 08:24 AM   #1929
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Now my pick for best season is s5 of Angel but thats a whole other conversation...
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Oh! S7 also has Storyteller. Great ep.
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Old 06-05-2023, 10:36 AM   #1931
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The latter seasons of Buffy are still watchable, and as you pointed out there are quality episodes, but for me there is something lacking.

Spike is always glorious.
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I just spent good time trying to pinpoint when I stopped watching it and it was pretty much the moment Marc Blucas showed up. He played some muscular action man and I’m sure Buffy beats him up before they fuck or some shit.

Whatever… every show like that is just trying to be Kolchak again.
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Buffy rant inbound:

Buffy couldve had 4 reasonable end points across its run.

The 1st is the s1 finale. Season 1 was low budget Californian spin on the classic monster tropes. And season 1 had a fully realised narrative that wrapped the plot and all subplots up with a bow. Had it not gotten picked up for a second season that wouldve been a perfectly good ending.

But it did get picked up and good for me that it did. The next two seasons are the peak of the shows ratings and are the rest of the high school run. By the end of season 2 all the remaining classic horror monsters had been used save Dracula and the romeo and juliette arc had been fully played out to wonderfullytragic ends. S3 really devles into the interpersonal relationships in the biggest way yet and becomes the blueprint for the rest of the series in many ways. When its all said and done Angel leaves the series and highschool comes to an end.

"Oz: Guys. Take a moment to deal with this. We survived.

Buffy: ..It was a hell of a battle.

Oz: Not the battle... High School."

And right there you couldve ended the series. I think a lot of people did even before the s4 struggles. Buffy for them was a highschool drama and in that vein it had ran its course. S3 has some outstanding episodes though one of my favorites being The Zeppo. Always look forward to seeing it come around when i do a rewatch. Top 10 ep for me easy.

Season 4 definitely lost a lot of viewers, Seanny included. Martin Noxons military antagonists clashed against the freedom of the themes the college setting provided and the scripts and new chracters were over all pretty weak. Spike and Anya are what hold the season together though. Theyre never not funny. And The Yokko Factor is peak interpersonal conflict. The final 10 min is just outstanding. Worth the seaspn build up for that alone.

The show survived and got to its next potential ending, and in my opinion the best ending outside of season 1, which season 1 is pretty objectively is the most tightly written. As fan though s5 is the most satisfying. This marked the end of the shows run on the WB so killing your protagonist before jumping networks is a pretty ballsy play. But s5 has some really high highs. The Dawn character gets some flack but she occupies very little screen time and any season that has something as powerful as The Body, the most grueling 44 minutes ever aired on network TV, cant be bad. And out of the 22 eps theres some real bangers. 12 classic eps at minimum. Oh we finally get Dracula.

The UPN seasons have the 4th ending and its the worst potential ending out of any of them but im getting ahead of myself. Season 6 is a fucking master piece. It has the longest hot streak of top tier eps in the series. It juggles, and satisfies like 5 subplots built across the season and has a climax on par with anything in the run. All the while being incredibly funny. Plus Buffy fucks a building to rubble. Cmon.

Season 7 is a convoluted mess. Its has some cool shit though. Nathon Fillion as Caleb is just fucking aces. "I aint done with you yet...bitch." is one of my favorite villain moments ever. And what happens next is one of my favorite hero moments ever. Principle Wood is the series first top tier new character in years, maybe since Anya all the way back in season 3 really. But ultimately its too busy and unfocused. The overarching plot being about all women instead of the gang detracts from the comradery thats been the core of the show up until this point. Oh! Andrew is great. Theres a new character from s6 that works out great. Fuck the whole Trio is just aces cant believe i skipped over them.

Anyhow looked at from a distance the show reinvents itself multiple times across its run and is very distinct from itself. I think thats to its benefit. Season 7 sucks because well it wasnt meant to be the last season and SMG said she was done so they just had to make it work but i think the show was getting better and better the further away they got from being a teen highschool drama. Which isnt to say i dont love the highschool seasons because i really love those 3 seasons.

This is all to say nothing of Angel which i also think got better as it went on with season 1 being VERY meh and s5 crushing all the other 11 buffyverse seasons pretty easily. A Whole in the World alone...fuck...so good. Smile Time... anyways before i get distracted thats a whole other rant..and honestly there's not much id reather talk about at length than buffy the vampire slayer.
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Finished Maisel. Its perfect. I wont go further until lockjaw finishes it but yeah. Loved it.
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There was one ep that didn’t land for me and it was the roast (I know LJ was that far). Like there were things that were fun about it but it came across like “we can’t tie these loose ends up so let’s tie them all up in one episode that doesn’t require any real cohesiveness.”

I loved the finale tho.
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The guest cast for the roast almost made up for the fact that the episode was a total cop out.
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I thought that was the best episode of the entire series
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You arent hearing what happened. You're hearing the legend of what happened. Everyone is an unreliable narrator. So it gives the audience a window into what would've been 20 seasons to work through but it also lets the stories be ridiculous and as funny as they need to be to suit the moment. Excellent narrative device.
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Just didn't do it for me. Good performances but lazy writing.
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On top of the various casting choices (shout out to Danny Strong aka Jonathan from Buffy) the emotional core of the ep is such a peak. The falling out in the synagogue with Midge and Susie is the most well acted scene in the series AND the resolution with the video at the end got me pretty good. Just loved it.
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Just didn't do it for me. Good performances but lazy writing.
Strongly disagree on that 2nd part
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Excellent narrative device.
It was more device than an episode of television.
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We atleast agree the finale was great.and it was.
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Old 06-06-2023, 12:18 AM   #1944
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It was more device than an episode of television.
I dont see narrative devices as dirty words. But ok.
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Old 06-06-2023, 12:18 AM   #1945
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i liked the penultimate episode too. The scene with Abe at the table with his cohorts was captivating.
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Old 06-06-2023, 12:22 AM   #1946
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Old 06-06-2023, 12:22 AM   #1947
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I dont see narrative devices as dirty words. But ok.
They aren't but they have to jive. I didn't feel it jiving. Felt more like jamming together non-fitting puzzle pieces.

I imagine ASP wanted to do that episode to build the legend of Susie and had it in mind for a while. But it was overegged pudding, IMO.

it's funny because that's basically the only episode of the entire run i didn't care for lol. Maybe i'll watch it down the line and feel differently.
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Old 06-06-2023, 12:30 AM   #1948
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To each their own. I could defend it but we'd be arguing over taste. I think it was very satisfying inside the confines of how the narrative was being doled out all season and it served to set up the final scene of the series and it managed to be extremely funny and having moments of peak sadness and tears of catharsis all inside 50ish minutes. It really blew me away with how tightly written it was.


You shouldn't be able to pull all that off inside 1 hour of tv. And you say they didnt, so fair enough. If i were to nominate an ep for this season to win the emmy, it would be that ep and that scene from the synagogue if the scene id send in.
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Old 06-06-2023, 12:40 AM   #1949
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Yeah I wouldn't begrudge anyone for liking it. TBH I'd prefer you did. It's a great show and i'd hope people love all the eps even when i didn't. The cast and crew deserve it.
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Definitely "teared up" a little during her final performance and when she got invited to the couch after.

Was also very touched @ Abe's storyline of finally realizing his daughter was amazing and being proud of her. The restaurant scene in the penultimate episode was incredible, and then just the recognition that Midge finally gets from him in the final episode is great. And of course the scene where Abe and Rose chase taxis is just hilarious.

Also enjoyed Moishe and Shirley's final scene together where they explain the shower mishap. Was a weird choice not to have Moishe in the final performance studio audience... I guess just one last little joke about how the Maisels are just weird unreliable people... but I would have rather had him present.

Weighing in on the roast episode... I definitely get where Dale is coming from and I tend to lean more in his direction than Destor. I liked the episode but it did feel a bit too much "let's wrap up all these future plot threads we set up".

But on the other hand it set the stage for the wonderful final scene of the series with old Midge and Susie watching TV together on the phone.
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Obviously theyre putting a bow on everything but the question is is it a satisfying way to do it. I say its emphatically very satisfying. Instead of pulling the story away from the focus to tie up the 10 or so side characters they weave the central arc into several side arcs AND its not bogged down by tedious exposition.

Its as sharp and punchy as the rest of the show. With some of the higest drama in the series. Im all for it. Most shows wouldve given an episode to each side plot and then crammed our protagonist into 3 ep arc. Thats lazy writing. This was clever, fresh and economic. I dont see the negative.
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