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Old 10-15-2015, 10:07 PM   #20001
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Nice. It is something. I don't understand why the WWE isn't still using Zeb Colter. The man was such a pleasure on the mic.
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:11 PM   #20002
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It actually really bothers me how the WWE has squandered Jack Swagger. No, the guy isn't perfect. There's something that doesn't really "click" about the guy. Part of it is his booking, sure, but maybe he also appears a little too "clean," if you know what I mean? But the guy is so fucking crisp in the ring. He looks good whether he's putting a beating on a guy or taking one (I'm genuinely surprised at how sympathetic he is working face). He was really hurt by not getting *anything* over Rusev, I think. No, I don't think he should have "decisively won the feud" or anything like that; but one win here to get some revenge for Zeb would have been nice.

The shtick where Colter would slap Swagger in the face to psych him up was actually pretty over. People reacted to it. There's still hope for the guy to do something, but they just seem afraid to give him any sort of sustained credibility.
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:13 PM   #20003
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I'm still behind the idea of a Cesaro/Ziggler tag team. If you have no designs to use either of them in a major singles capacity, then why not put them together and let them bounce off each other for a while. Dolph is a tremendous seller that people care about; Cesaro is great at showing fire on comebacks. Dolph has got personality and might help to bring it out of Cesaro.
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:16 PM   #20004
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Cesaro would also be killing it in this program against The Wyatts. It would have made perfect sense to inject him as a guy looking to prove himself. He's teamed with Dean Ambrose in the past (and they had great chemistry, as Cesaro seems to have with almost everyone), and having the balls to stand up to The Wyatt Family without having a real personal issue with them could earn the ire of Bray Wyatt and have been used as a segue to get Wyatt off Reigns in the future. Plus, Bray could subtly put Cesaro over for being someone who went after Wyatt instead of vice versa.
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Cesaro vs. Luke Harper? Yes please.
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yeah we had a swagger sighting in the lumberjack match, I wish he and zev would move to nxt let him tag with james storm
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:45 PM   #20007
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A Storm/Swagger tag team would have an interesting dynamic, that's for sure.
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:53 PM   #20008
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I know plans are probably to run Finn Balor vs. Samoa Joe through the fall and into the winter, but Joe coming up to win the US Title from Cena would make a lot of sense for the main roster right now. The ratings are slipping, so they could use a bit of an infusion of fresh blood. There are mumbles that The Rock might be coming back to do some stuff -- but is he going to be on RAW every week? The thing with the part-timers is that they don't always have that episodic presence.

I'm not saying Joe would be an instant ratings fix or change the game entirely; but he would shake things up and introduce a full-time guy with the presence of being a real player -- especially if he beats John Cena at Hell in a Cell or something. They would never do this, but if they had Joe force Cena to tap-out? Man, that would be hectic. Cena could use the tapping as an excuse to "find himself." He lives by the mantra "Never Give Up," but along came a new cat that made him do just that. Joe is a long-time friend and a guy who broke into the business with him, and he has utmost respect for Joe, but he needs to move away in order to come back the John Cena he knows he can be.

This could also be used as a springboard for Cena vs. Taker, if that's the route they want to go for WrestleMania. Cena needing to find something to prove himself could be a huge motivator in challenging the legend to a match at the big show.

The thing with Joe is that he's no spring chicken. He's 36, which is around when they say workers put it all together in the ring the best, but given the style guys work these days, it might be a bit earlier than that. There's no real sense in "holding off" on Joe. If you want the guy to return the investment you've put in him (which, granted, may not be huge right now), then giving him a big rub and making him a player out the gate is probably the best way to do it. The guy's also got a presentation that lends itself to lots of merchandise. Maybe it won't be as colorful as Cena's, but it could be pumped out -- shirts, towels, wrist-bands, etc. He could be presented as humble enough to be liked by the kids (and respected by them, especially if Cena gives him the nod and taps out), and he's cool and edgy enough to keep the older demographics tuning in. He could pretty much be what they want Roman Reigns to be, only admittedly less ripped (although his look works for him).
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Old 10-15-2015, 10:57 PM   #20009
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And when you put the belt on Joe, have him keep up the John Cena US Title Open Challenge. Even keep the name so people keep thinking "Cena." It could be a sign of respect, but with a flare of show-boating.
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So Crews doesn't win? Think they will kill his undefeated streak so quick?
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Meltzer said that Vince was mad that the Rusev/Lana engagement story broke on TMZ and it ruined the kayfabe angle on RAW with Summer/Lana/Ziggler/Rusev. He says WWE does work with TMZ about breaking stories but Vince was not happy about this one. He talked about Lana going on social media and showing the engagement ring that Rusev bought her weeks ago, but more often then not Lana/Rusev stayed in Kayfabe most of the time but then went ahead and broke kayfabe by doing that. He could see why Vince would have a problem because he doesn't understand why you would blow your own angle the entire world can see it. Dave goes on to say he doesn't think the angle is dead but they could retool it who knows.
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Blue Pants (Leva Bates) is not expected to be used going forward. She was never under contract. It ruffled a lot of feathers that she had gotten over in a quirky way and there was heat with her. They had continued to use her because she got over in that cult way, in the sense fans were chanting for her at the road shows and they knew she’d get a big pop in Brooklyn. But once Alexa Bliss beat her, that was pretty much supposed to be the end of her.
Supposedly the female lockeroom resented the very favorable part-time deal she had and NXT management didn't like how she rubbed people the wrong way backstage.

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Lucha Underground announcing a second season was of interest to WWE because we’re told there were three wrestlers under contract to Lucha Underground that they were interested in. Angelico are Ricochet are two of the names. Ricochet lives in Orlando already, as he’s the roommate of Apollo Crews. If they can sign him, it’s already been talked about fast tracking him to matches with Finn Balor, but he’s got a seven-year contract with Lucha Underground and New Japan was looking at doing a lot with him as well.
In regards to Season Two, Alberto Del Rio/Patron might not be available for tapings mostly due to commitments in Mexico and being upset with LU management over supposed broken promises.

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The reason they did another injury angle with Kurt Angle, even though he beat Eric Young on Bound for Glory, is that with the next few months of television already taped in July, while he was recovering from his latest surgery, they had to do another injury to take him out again.
Very similar to the Matt Hardy situation with TNA being really short sighted with plans. Knew full well that if they went in a certain direction, it would cause a lot of problems with the taped stuff and yet still did it.

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The final TNA U.S. house show tour of the year, from 10/29 to 11/1, was cancelled due to poor advances. TNA evidently claimed it was due to logistical problems, and advances were fine. If the advances were fine, the shows would have been run. Talent was notified on 10/9, making it pretty difficult to get new bookings three weeks out. According to people on the show, when talent was told about the cancellations, they were told they were getting partial pay for the dates, “although not a lot.” That tells you something when the advances are so bad that the company makes out better with partial pay, but saving the costs of actually doing the show and the trans. This was a major loss of confidence, because sources at WWE, Lucha Underground, New Japan and AAA all confirmed getting phone calls from talent inquiring about the possibility of coming in. WWE is very much in the idea they can pick and choose. Unless it’s a real big star, we’re told Lucha Underground and AAA want talent that already has experience in the Lucha style.
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The 9 p.m. airing of Impact on 10/14 garnered 247,000 viewers, down from last week's 335,000 viewers. This ended the several week run of the audience rising. Impact's replay did 82,000, down from last week's 112,000 viewers. Impact's total viewers - 327,000, down from last week's 447,000 viewers.

The 10/8 edition of Ring Of Honor brought in 174,000 viewers, down just slightly from last week's 175,000 viewers. This was the second highest audience ever for the 11 PM timeslot for the series.
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Lots of talk regarding The Freebirds to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame this year in Dallas. For one, Michael Hayes is still with the company and they like to have at least one inductee with ties to the history of wrestling in the area. The Von Erichs are already in, and I don’t see them putting in area legends like Gary Hart, Bruiser Brody, Johnny Valentine, or Gene Kiniski. For one, none are alive. Last year they didn’t induct any Bay Area legends. Ray Stevens was on the list, they were even collecting his memorabilia for doing so, but then made the call against him, likely because Vince doesn’t like to remind people that so many wrestlers passed away young.
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Here are some notes on the difference between the audience that watches Raw on Monday and Smackdown on Thursday. Essentially, Raw averages 40 years old and Smackdown is quite a big older when it comes to viewership. Only 47 percent of the people 18-34 that watch Raw watch Smackdown. In 35-49, that increases to 55 percent. Over the age of 50, it’s 78 percent so it’s those over the age of 50 that are most likely to be watching both shows.
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With John Cena about to take a hiatus from the road, McMahon is in panic mode about preventing the ratings for Raw from sliding even further. However, his solution to the problem doesn’t involve making any significant creative changes or altering the presentation of the show. Rather, he’s looking to have WWE’s biggest part-time Superstars appear on television more often.

There have been talks with Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker about appearing more. Both have been agreeable to making more appearances since they’re being paid head and shoulders above what anybody else makes per date, including Cena.

McMahon has also reached out to Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson about returning to WWE, even if just for a small handful of appearances to spark interest. The WWE Chairman and CEO wants Johnson to return as soon as possible.

Furthermore, the USA Network is paying WWE $15 million per year for that third hour of Raw, which is significant. A loss of that revenue would cause a major negative effect on the price of WWE stock.
Rumors going around the net at the moment regarding Vince/WWE panicking over ratings and a big rift developing between those that know something needs changing and those that don't want to. Doesn't come from the usual sheet sources which is why its best to take this with a huge grain of salt.


Some other sheet news includes:
  • Recent article on WWE.com focused on indie promotion Evole and the 5 stars they'd like to show up or be more active in NXT. http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/evol...e-nxt-28054230
  • Evolve recently addressed rumors of them having a deal with the WWE by basically giving a vague non-answer. Implied the answer to be "yes" without actually saying it.
  • During a recent interview, Jerry Lawler teased Smackdown might become a weekly live show at some point next year. http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe-sma...6-jerry-lawler
  • In a "WWE Did You Know" type fact, Seth Rollins currently has the 12th longest WWE title reign for 1st time champs and needs another 3 months to beat Billy Graham as the longest non-turn heel run as champ. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCirc...eigning_first/
  • Indie promotion 2CW announced they are shutting down on December 20th. https://www.facebook.com/2CWWrestling
  • RAW's Canadian rating is expected to tank really bad next week due to the Blue Jays playoffs game and Canadian Elections taking place that day.
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All of the WrestleMania Travel Packages have sold out already. That is looking good for the WWE. Booking and ratings be damned.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:49 AM   #20013
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:11 AM   #20015
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I could honestly foresee the "Vince snd co. In panic mode backstage" story being completely true. Not only does RAW stand to lose a lot in ratings, but what about revenue from the sales of Cena's merch as well.

And if it were to happen, I'd LOVE to see Rock make a few sporadic appearances. Maybe he could be used to make Reigns look like a slightly to moderately more palatable main-eventer and/or VERY long-term WWE WHC.
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Remember reading something earlier in the year or maybe last year about Hunter having some control over Smackdown for stuff but not enough for any real impact. Vince still gets final say over everything and anything special or unique on Smackdown quickly gets tossed to RAW for rematches and priority.
You know what else Vince has final say on? NXT. Everyone loves that show.
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He has it but doesn't use it, according to HHH on a conference call. HHH gets the final say, but if Vince really wanted something done, he'd do it.
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Vince doesn't care about nxt because that's just on the stupid internet.....
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Regardless of any of that, though, I hate the idea of someone like Cesaro not going anywhere simply because "Vince finds him boring". It's been said countless times over the years that Vince has lost touch of what people want to see, and I gotta say it's fucking right (assuming everything we read online is somewhat true).

If Vince retired tomorrow and Triple H and Steph took complete control, I bet guys like Cesaro would most certainly start to take a more prominent role in the product.

And yes, Cesaro does get good reactions in Des Moines Iowa or anywhere else. Unless we're watching completely different shows. But nobody can ever face Cena and get a better reaction than a "Lets go Cena/Cena sucks" chant.
I don't know. I haven't heard an interview with HHH giving his opinion on Cesaro. Maybe there are attitude issues we don't know about. Maybe it is just Vince doesn't like him. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. And those that claim to know are carnies.

In a creative environment its up to the head of creative to use his instincts in what will work and what won't. If his instinct is that Cesaro is just meh, he may be wrong, but i know he's right more often than wrong.

I think we're on the same page. We would both like to see Cesaro get a nice singles program to sink his teeth into. And then judge him after. But it may not be in the cards. To me it doesn't make me want to stop watching RAW.
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He has it but doesn't use it, according to HHH on a conference call. HHH gets the final say, but if Vince really wanted something done, he'd do it.
Exactly

So he likes what he sees. Vince and Hunter are on the same page that the show appeals to a different portion of the audience than RAW.

But if you think Vince is out of touch, he would look at NXT, and say nope were changing everything so it looks like RAW.
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Vince doesn't care about nxt because that's just on the stupid internet.....
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Exactly

So he likes what he sees. Vince and Hunter are on the same page that the show appeals to a different portion of the audience than RAW.

But if you think Vince is out of touch, he would look at NXT, and say nope were changing everything so it looks like RAW.
I think it shows that Vince at least trusts HHH enough to let him do this thing in NXT. HHH knows his audience for it and plans accordingly.

Plus, Vince must think something is working right with NXT if they sell out the Barclays Center for the "developmental" brand.
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I think it shows that Vince at least trusts HHH enough to let him do this thing in NXT. HHH knows his audience for it and plans accordingly.

Plus, Vince must think something is working right with NXT if they sell out the Barclays Center for the "developmental" brand.
Right, but the point is the product is a little different from RAW and yet Vince allows it air. I never hear people on the Internet say "NXT shows Vince is out of touch". Yet Vince has a say on NXT. So if green lights NXT how out of touch can he be?
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His approval or allowance of the show is not the same as being involved with its direction. It's pretty clear that he has little if anything to do with the show given its presentation and direction.
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His approval or allowance of the show is not the same as being involved with its direction. It's pretty clear that he has little if anything to do with the show given its presentation and direction.
How is that clear?

Are you in meetings with him regarding NXT? Do you talk to Vince or Hunter?

The only public information is that Vince has final say. Reading and hearing stories about him, I don't think he would just leave NXT and not care what goes on. I agree that Hunter likely has the biggest hand in the creative direction, but it's naive to think Vince has nothing to do with it.
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We actually have Hunter confirming NXT is his baby and he runs the show. He's said it. Several times. It's widely known to this point.
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With NXT Takeover: Unstoppable running tomorrow, interest in NXT has reached a fever pitch. Triple H held a media conference call today to talk about the special, as well as the NXT brand in general. During the call, HHH was asked about how CEO Vince McMahon feels about the brand, and most notably Vince's reaction to WrestleMania weekend.

"He was blown away," said Triple H. "I didn't know he was going to come until the last minute. He just dropped me a note and said he'd be there in a bit"

Triple H then noted that Vince McMahon gave him the finances and opportunity to create something special at NXT, and that McMahon was impressed with what he did. However, there were hurdles that Triple H and NXT faced getting to run a show during WrestleMania weekend.

"They saw the success of what we were doing from a television standpoint," explained Triple H. "They were excited about it. San Jose was a tipping point. That all came together last minute for the facility, and I jumped on it. I had to jump through a lot of hoops to convince people that it was the right thing to do. I pushed for it hard and executed it. Vince was on board, but he was getting a lot of push back for it."

Triple H said that the show was a huge paradigm shift for NXT, and got a lot of executives on board, saying "You couldn't stand in that building and not think 'Holy sh-t, this is something special.'"

During the call, Triple H also said that Vince McMahon doesn't watch NXT religiously, but Triple H will often show him things that he needs to see. He mentioned that when McMahon needs something for a particular segment, he'll pitch it, which is what happened with Kevin Owens this week.
Interview HHH did and pretty much says Vince is just the money man and will only pitch something when he really wants something.
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We actually have Hunter confirming NXT is his baby and he runs the show. He's said it. Several times. It's widely known to this point.
Nobody is disputing its his show. I'm saying if Vince didn't support what was going on his TV, it wouldn't go out there. By allowing it to air, he's green lighting it. If he was out of touch as people claim, he would nix it, and want everything to look like RAW.

What you guys fail to grasp is RAW looks different from SD, from PPVs, from NXT, because it's meant to appeal to a wider audience. It's not that Vince is out of touch, it's just that the shows are different.

It wasn't that long ago that HHH was the villain of the IWC for holding everyone back and booking himself strong. Now he can do no wrong. What you're missing is that Vince approves it all. Nothing airs without his blessing. Unless you are in the upper echelon of creative meetings (ie Vince, Steph, Hunter, Dunn) you don't know whether or not Vince is out of touch.
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Why is he grinning like an idiot?

Looks so forced.
Hes probably smiling either because he just got a CHW contract


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Interview HHH did and pretty much says Vince is just the money man and will only pitch something when he really wants something.
He also said Vince can do whatever he wants on the show. That's the key.

Hunter has been booking with Vince since Russo left, so I would think more often than not Hunter would know what Vince wants to see.

The point isn't who is doing the day to day booking. If Vince was out of touch he would take a look at NXT TV and want it changed. The point I'm trying to drive home is he doesn't. So how can he be in touch with NXT and out of touch with RAW?

Are the Network Specials good? Is he out of touch there?

I think the real problem is some of you don't like that one or two guys are not higher on the card, so you paint this picture that all of the booking and creative sucks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
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Nobody is disputing its his show. I'm saying if Vince didn't support what was going on his TV, it wouldn't go out there. By allowing it to air, he's green lighting it. If he was out of touch as people claim, he would nix it, and want everything to look like RAW.

What you guys fail to grasp is RAW looks different from SD, from PPVs, from NXT, because it's meant to appeal to a wider audience. It's not that Vince is out of touch, it's just that the shows are different.

It wasn't that long ago that HHH was the villain of the IWC for holding everyone back and booking himself strong. Now he can do no wrong. What you're missing is that Vince approves it all. Nothing airs without his blessing. Unless you are in the upper echelon of creative meetings (ie Vince, Steph, Hunter, Dunn) you don't know whether or not Vince is out of touch.
Vince allowing or green lighting the show and being out of touch are not directly related. He's not involved in NXT, as blatantly stated by Hunter himself. He's got nothing to do with it other than financing the product.

Vince being out of touch also has zero to do with knowing the upper echelons of creative. It's a opinion shared by many given that Vince is the final say the company's primary program and that it's common knowledge he runs and calls most of not all the shots on the creative direction of such. Given that it's been ages since I consistently found myself invested in what is presented on television, and that they've yet develop any performers beyond meandering mid card acts despite crowd reactions and support yearning for otherwise, and that it's widely assumed and known Vince is head honcho and responsible for creative direction, it's of my opinion he's or of touch with what his fans want.
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Vince allowing or green lighting the show and being out of touch are not directly related. He's not involved in NXT, as blatantly stated by Hunter himself. He's got nothing to do with it other than financing the product.

Vince being out of touch also has zero to do with knowing the upper echelons of creative. It's a opinion shared by many given that Vince is the final say the company's primary program and that it's common knowledge he runs and calls most of not all the shots on the creative direction of such. Given that it's been ages since I consistently found myself invested in what is presented on television, and that they've yet develop any performers beyond meandering mid card acts despite crowd reactions and support yearning for otherwise, and that it's widely assumed and known Vince is head honcho and responsible for creative direction, it's of my opinion he's or of touch with what his fans want.
So we're ignoring

The Shield
Wyatt Family
Brock Lesnar 2.0
Daniel Bryan
Kevin Owens

All recent acts that have gotten to main event status. Did they slip through the cracks?
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Except outside of Lesnar, who only recently became a main event attraction and was instead wasting time wrestling Triple H, none of those acts are main event status. None. Hell, Lesnar is about to wrestle Taker for the third time. He's wrestled Big Show twice, Hunter 3x, Cena 3x, and Taker 3x since coming back. Other than Reigns and Rollins being sprinkled in, it's been the same repetitive matchup for arguably their biggest draw.

Rollins is jobber who is made t look lesser than his competition despite being the champion. Ambrose and Reigns have been spinning their wheels with no advancement in the least year and a half, as evident by the fact Ambrose is STILL in a feud with Bray Wyatt.

Speaking of Wyatt, he went from feuding with Ambrose, to a short term, no gain feud with Undertaker, to feuding again with Reigns and Ambrose. They've done absolutely nothing of note with Wyatt since his Cena feud. He hasn't seen the main event yet. Not sure why you pegged him as a "main event act".

Daniel Bryan was pushed down to feud with Kane while the Shield took over the Authority angle, and then pushed down further when he returned from injury.

Kevin Owens is in a feud with Ryback, after a short feud with Cesaro. Two guys who have been meaningless after a once hot but now over exposed feud with Cena.

You have the right to feel differently, but I don't find seeing guys do the same shit for years on end, getting nowhere despite having both the talent and fan support ( Ambrose and Wyatt specifically) to become more prominent, as riveting, compelling or progressive television.

Not to mention, what exactly does that have to do with NXT and Vince basically being Ted Turner to the product, as in he's there in money only? Are you trying to defer from the topic? Fact is, NXT is run by Hunter, and despite having the pull to do so, Vince does not, by choice, involve himself in the product and it's clear to see when compared to the product he does invest time in.
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He also said Vince can do whatever he wants on the show. That's the key.

The point isn't who is doing the day to day booking. If Vince was out of touch he would take a look at NXT TV and want it changed. The point I'm trying to drive home is he doesn't. So how can he be in touch with NXT and out of touch with RAW?

I think the real problem is some of you don't like that one or two guys are not higher on the card, so you paint this picture that all of the booking and creative sucks. Couldn't be further from the truth.
How is Vince can do anything he wants the key? He can but he doesn't. From what I have seen it seems Vince just pitches things for guys that are on the main roster.

Vince doesnt control everything in NXT like he does Raw. So for you to say he's not out of touch because he doesn't nix NXT is crazy. The dude doesn't even watch NXT so one could actually argue that he is out of touch because he doesn't watch the hottest promotion in the world right now.

I dont have a problem with people being low on the card, its the card itself. With 5 hours of national TV time you would think every one would have something. I mean hell throw every one you don't have any thing for in to tag teams or somthing. Every week Raw is one big Seth Rollins storyline that usually sucks and is predictable as hell. Everyone is on the same level except for Cena. The divas revolution is a joke. That's even more proof that Vince is out of touch since NXT has had no problem presenting their "women".
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