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Old 10-26-2010, 12:25 AM   #2001
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I liked it when I was younger, and it was popular.

It reality it was poorly done, and it doesn't hold up. It really annoys me how I use to run down stairs on Saturday mornings to watch it. Take my word for it.
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Old 10-26-2010, 12:27 AM   #2002
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I've seen them recently. In fact I watched a slew of X-Men and Spidey episodes a week or so ago. I know exactly what you're talking about. I can understand why you say they suck and in many ways you're right, but I don't see how you can possibly write them off and not X-Men. Same thing.
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Old 10-26-2010, 12:32 AM   #2003
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If you're wondering why they were bad it's probably because they were saturday morning cartoons for kids and the storyelling was simplified and in many cases toned down to have less violence.
I don't reccomend holding kids cartoons up to the standard of adult storytelling. You're going to be disappointed. There are few exceptions.
Also, if you think Spider-Man is awful how do you think X-Men is good? The dialogue and content is the same shit, and the animation is worse.
I get that, but DC was able to do it very well. They had a really great team working on these things. Why wasn't marvel able to do the same thing?

X-Men has some good stories. Maybe I am being generous towards X-men, but it is def better then the other shows mentioned. It's marvel's best cartoon of the 90's.
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Old 10-26-2010, 12:35 AM   #2004
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The thing I like most about the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons (aside from nostalgia) is that they stay very close to the comic artwork of that time, and follow a lot of storylines from the comics.
The newer cartoons seem to all have their own stylized looks, and create their own stories. That's all well and good for cartoons. I don't really watch any of them, but I kind of dig the "authenticity" of those 90s toons.
X-Men and Spidey mostly. Even as a huge marvel fan I kind of knew Iron Man, F-4 and Silver Surfer were shitty cartoons.
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I get that, but DC was able to do it very well. They had a really great team working on these things. Why wasn't marvel able to do the same thing?

X-Men has some good stories. Maybe I am being generous towards X-men, but it is def better then the other shows mentioned. It's marvel's best cartoon of the 90's.
Probably the same reason it took Marvel much longer to start making quality live-action films: They didn't have Warner Bros.
DC is owned by WB, and that has tremendous resources when it comes to television and animation.
The Batman show was definitely awesome. One of the greatest cartoons ever and it's recognized as such. That was the exception I was referring to.

Marvel probably just wanted to get their properties out there on TV. The teams probably weren't as good. I know the company distributing them forced them to tone it down on Spider-Man too. So that didn't help.
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The thing I like most about the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons (aside from nostalgia) is that they stay very close to the comic artwork of that time, and follow a lot of storylines from the comics.
The newer cartoons seem to all have their own stylized looks, and create their own stories. That's all well and good for cartoons. I don't really watch any of them, but I kind of dig the "authenticity" of those 90s toons.
X-Men and Spidey mostly. Even as a huge marvel fan I kind of knew Iron Man, F-4 and Silver Surfer were shitty cartoons.
Don't even remember the Silver Surfer cartoon but fuck, Iron Man and Fantastic Four were terrible.
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If you're wondering why they were bad it's probably because they were saturday morning cartoons for kids and the storyelling was simplified and in many cases toned down to have less violence.
I don't reccomend holding kids cartoons up to the standard of adult storytelling. You're going to be disappointed. There are few exceptions.
Also, if you think Spider-Man is awful how do you think X-Men is good? The dialogue and content is the same shit, and the animation is worse.
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Most of the 90's cartoons were watered down and censored to hell. Comparing them the cartoons of now, they're pretty "mediocre" and dated.
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I still haven't seen that Avengers cartoon. Looked pretty fun. I checked for it on demand but it wasn't there
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The new Avengers? There's a bunch of minisodes on YouTub-

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So the Avengers show has started and episodes are on youtube. I've only seen the first two but it's awesome.
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I'm sure you all actually knew that and have been debating it. I couldn't really decide while sifting through all the "debate". But yeah, mini-eps were a good start - but have nothing on the actual show so far.
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I'm not too crazy about Red Skull being part of HYDRA, but I guess they wouldn't be able to get away with him being an all-out Nazi on a kid-friendly show, so I guess it works.

Really like what they did with Captain America and Bucky.

(EDIT: wait, sorry, thought you meant in the Avengers cartoon)
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Nope. Meant the movie shot.
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How about Kevin Smith? When Kevin Smith loves shit it usually ends up being good.
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So I was reading something about "Thor" and Kenneth Branagh said that Odin is Master of the Marvel Universe. Or it was something like that... Is that true?

Is Odin really the most powerful person in the Marvel universe?
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Don't think he got to it yet. I trust Tony Stark, though.

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So I was reading something about "Thor" and Kenneth Branagh said that Odin is Master of the Marvel Universe. Or it was something like that... Is that true?

Is Odin really the most powerful person in the Marvel universe?
Hell no. Maybe he's referring to the movie-verse? Eh, what does Kenneth know about Marvel.
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There is more, but the rest is some spoiler or something. You can view it on Thor's triva page on imdb. Last thing on page.

Yeah it probably is just the movie version, but it doesn't really sound like that.
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Well I guess from a character stand point Odin would be the most powerful character so far in the new movie-verse, he's not wrong. In the 616 sense we know there are crazy powerful characters in the universe, but who knows which of them will get the live action treatment, or even retain their power level after the fact (looking at Phoenix in X3).
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Any hints on who's going to be the antagonist in Avengers?

It will have to be good, because you're having 4 huge superheroes team up. They need to be going against a threat that warrants that. It should also be a fresh villain for all of them, and not just someone from one of the other films or even a counter-team up. I think it would be good for them to be taking on Hulk in the first act, to get him under control of his transformation and recruit him. But then they need a big advesary for the final 2 acts.
I would like it to be Thanos.
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Yeah, almost certain Hulk will initially get them together for a test team up. But as far as the big villain... We know Loki will have some hand in this, so there's a cosmic angle. Thanos would be good, but almost too out there (although there's an Infinity Gauntlet easter egg in Thor). Something tells me this will be mostly Earth bound.
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Eh, these movies are out there enough that they could bring in an "alien" threat though. They could sort of tone down or change Thanos around enough for it to work.
I don't think it would be that out of place. It's not like a Nolan type deal.

My main concern is just something big enough to really deliver on the team-up. Cap, Iron Man, Hulk and Thor charging at something together will be incredible, but it has to be something that can kick all four of their asses.
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How about Mandarin? Do you think they'd use him for Avengers, or save him for an Iron Man movie?
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