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Old 11-07-2010, 07:43 PM   #2121
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I found them extremely boring.
Wow. Ya know they're 4plyr, right?
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:43 PM   #2122
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And why is that? You're gonna accuse me of racism now or something?
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:46 PM   #2123
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Wow. Ya know they're 4plyr, right?
I hated playing those game with more than two players. With three or four, you just had too many people running in different directions and cocking up the camera angle and getting in each others way etc.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:24 AM   #2124
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Playing those games is extremely boring because no matter what you do it's impossible to die, and there is also no variety or challenge. Nothing is at stake. At least that's what I experienced while playing Ultimate Alliance 2 at a friend's house.
After 5 minutes it just descends into button mashing while you talk about something else. There was no challenge, and barely anything that required co-operative play or thinking.
Yet, we keep going. If being a superhero is that boring, fuck that.

Just felt like the entire attraction was unlocking characters and such. Sort of like "Marvel porn", in which the entire point of the game is being different characters and watching cut scenes. I guess that Civil War adaptation was cool, but I could youtube it. The gameplay almost becomes secondary and laborious in getting to "the goodies."
Maybe different combos is exciting? I didn't really care since you're going to kill everyone in the room and move onto the next room full of easy enemies regardless of what moves you do.

Really kind of hated it. If I wanted to play such a linear button mashing experience, I would fire up X-Men Arcade from 1992. That's the good stuff.

Also, they may very well be the best Marvel games of the past 6 years, but I hardly think that means they're very good. Unfortunately Marvel games are usually pretty bad, and 6 years is hardly anything. 2004? That seems like yesterday when it comes to Marvel games.

I agreed with Funky that I'd give Part 1 a try though. He promised me that it wasn't nearly as boring.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:41 AM   #2125
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The gameplay doesn't really fit superheroes tbh. Felt really restricting and confined, given what the characters are capable of.

Superhero games should take full advantage of the destructive capabilities of the characters. I never felt like I was playing as a really powerful character in those games. Moon Knight feels the same Thor.

Prototype and Hulk: Ultimate destruction are examples of games that got it right.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:46 AM   #2126
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Even X-Men arcade got it right since a character like Nightcrawler is fast as shit with a weak special, but Colossus is slow, but has the beefiest special of all time.

So you make sure Nightcrawler can lay the smack down in hand to hand, and move Colossus in as the big gun. Conserve all specials for the boss.

That's the way I want to play co-op. I want to have a role. I never encountered any stages in those games were Player 1 had to hold the fort or something, while Player 2 had to do ____, and Player 3 did _____, and stuff like that.

I highly agree with Fignuts in that certain characters should have their different strenghts and weaknesses.
If you're on a team, there should be an equal need for a character like Spidey just as much as one like Hulk. But not the same.
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Old 11-08-2010, 07:42 PM   #2127
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You guys are strange. X-Men Legends was the shit.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:35 PM   #2128
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To be fair, the only one I've played recently was Ultimate Alliance 2. So I'm going off that. I played X-Men Legends as well, but that was a while ago. I thought more or less the same thing.
I used to love the Gauntlet Legends game for 64 when I was younger though. So that does make me strange.

As for other Marvel games, I'd like to give Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions a shot soon.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:40 PM   #2129
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Me and the guys used to love clearing stages and upgrading our chosen characters, allocating items according to who needs the buff and so on.

I seriously feel sorry that you guys didn't get the same experience, it was a blast. Ultimate Alliance 2 missed the mark, but UA1 and especially XML2 were awesome. The biggest issue that plagued the series was a camera that was way too cramp. I always wanted it to be pulled out more.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:42 PM   #2130
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To be fair, the only one I've played recently was Ultimate Alliance 2. So I'm going off that. I played X-Men Legends as well, but that was a while ago. I thought more or less the same thing.
I used to love the Gauntlet Legends game for 64 when I was younger though. So that does make me strange.

As for other Marvel games, I'd like to give Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions a shot soon.
Nah, it doesn't make you strange, I loved gauntlet and other games like it. Like I said, I think it was the characters not living up to their potential in the game, that made it boring for me.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:53 PM   #2131
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The characters totally played as they should within the context of the general gameplay. Colossus could toss Wolverine for the Fastball Special. Jean Grey could hold enemies in place while Storm shocks them. Cyclops could knock down enemies with a wide variation of his Optic Blasts and Gambit could then pick up items (like chairs and debris) and throw them at downed enemies - and yes they were kinetically charged automatically.

Didn't even mention the strategic use of Ice Man teamed with Human Torch in UA1 yet. Something me and my buddy called "Icy Hot". Great times. The characters were well represented in the series.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:43 AM   #2132
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And why is that? You're gonna accuse me of racism now or something?
pretty much considering im struggling to remember a movie that sam jackson ever played a ghetto character so you saying the new nick fury is too ghetto for you is based only on the fact that hes black
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Old 11-09-2010, 09:23 AM   #2133
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I am agreeing with Kalyx triaD on this one. Its a shame some of you guys didn't enjoy the games as much. While I agree that characters are very limited with their powers, I had a blast playing the games. UA 2 being the weakest of them all, still had its moments. I thought it was a step down from UA1.
It is fun matching the characters and coming up with dream teams and see how they do. I was specially a fan of team bonuses in the first one (I don't think they carried over to the second one..)
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:27 PM   #2134
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Anime would be a lot better if they stayed on topic and didn't insist on using that shit music and having the characters stand around with their hair in the wind
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It's an anime OP, and a damn good one.
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It would actually be pretty awesome aside from that shit I said. I swear to god those 2 things are why I don't like anime.
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Pretty sure you simply didn't find anime you liked. It's pretty varied nowadays.
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I know a lot of people love anime, so I don't wish to be a negative nelly. I respect the art, and think some it's great.
It looks good. I just can't stand the overboard glorification of some of it. It's hard to describe why it irks me. There's a huge emphasis on making the simple over-dramatic. Characters seem to always be breathing heavily, or standing in the wind, and everything is supposed to be the most epic thing that's ever happened in the universe. Seems like everyone's either extremely happy or extremely angry/depressed. Like Cyclops standing there with his head down, like ugh. I can't put my finger on it. Way melodramatic and self-important. I'm not sure if pretentious is what it is, but it certainly feels that way. Emotions and importance seems more emphasised than even theatre.
Something about it bothers me.
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It would actually be pretty awesome aside from that shit I said. I swear to god those 2 things are why I don't like anime.

Check out Avatar the Last Airbender if you haven't. The main character is bald, so there is very little hair blowing in the wind. Plus it only looks like anime.
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Hmm... Anime's probably not for you, then. Some of the things you described are within anime DNA and if you don't square with it, I guess it's just not in the stars.

It's like how I feel about certain genres of games or movies. There's things I just don't dig that are integral to those styles of entertainment and me getting into it is unlikely.

It happens.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:45 PM   #2145
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I haven't watched Avatar: The Last Airbender
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Halfbreed anime-American animation style. And one of the most epic cartoons I seen. It has some of the hyper emotion of anime, but the pacing is closer to Western style. The action takes cues from anime, however. It's really a novel effort. Watch the series. The third season is worth it.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:49 PM   #2147
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Scenario: Sniper on a roof.

Regular fiction: Normal and realistic.
Anime: Standing there on the ledge, in the wind, looking down at the ground pondering their entire existence as a human. Trying to seem stoic. Hair over their eyes, maybe smoking a cigarette.

Maybe it's just not for me. Or maybe it's just every bit of anime I've ever seen just happens to be that way.
Anime has always sorta depressed me too. Dunno why.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:49 PM   #2148
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I thought I would hate it too, but then it was amazing. If you have netflix instant watch and get bored, give it a chance. If you don't like it, that is fine.
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:53 PM   #2149
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Scenario: Sniper on a roof.

Regular fiction: Normal and realistic.
Anime: Standing there on the ledge, in the wind, looking down at the ground pondering their entire existence as a human. Trying to seem stoic. Hair over their eyes, maybe smoking a cigarette.

Maybe it's just not for me. Or maybe it's just every bit of anime I've ever seen just happens to be that way.
Anime has always sorta depressed me too. Dunno why.
You may tolerate Ghost in the Shell more than usual anime.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:04 PM   #2150
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Never mind, Jerkitron, don't watch anime. It is all faggy bitches who are way to skilled at their jobs pondering why even bother, life is meaningless. You know, the way Kalyx thinks of himself.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:09 PM   #2151
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You may tolerate Ghost in the Shell more than usual anime.
Errrr, I dunno. There is a lot of pondering of the nature of existence in that. Human beings in machine bodies and AIs that gain self awareness and all that.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:16 PM   #2152
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But I wouldn't call it hyper-emo or anything.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:26 PM   #2153
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But it is still emo.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:27 PM   #2154
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Side note, and this isn't directed to anyone, but I really wish people would start to realize emo and deep are completely different and separate.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:38 PM   #2155
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pretty much considering im struggling to remember a movie that sam jackson ever played a ghetto character so you saying the new nick fury is too ghetto for you is based only on the fact that hes black
NIGGA WAT?

The guy talks like a gang leader, not special unit colonel.
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He talked pretty ghetto in Jurassic Park.
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But I wouldn't call it hyper-emo or anything.
Not emo at all, but the whole nature of the story is centered around where humanity ends and machine begins in a world where cyborgs are an everyday thing, machines are self aware and people can even have their minds live on in a machine or on the internet despite their body being long dead.

If it's not Jeri's bag, he might not enjoy it at all. I do see why you recommend it to him, since it doesn't do the usual crazy hair/chargin ma lazer/trying to look hardass thing that a lot of well known animes are kind of notorious for. It's actually one of my favourite manga/anime franchises.
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To be honest, Ghost in the Shell falls under the other anime tropes that are equally annoying.
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Lol I don't want to make it seem like I don't like anything "ponderous" or emotional, or anything profound. I do. And I'm not above stories that take themselves as important. I don't tend to accuse things of being pretentious unless it strikes me that way.


I was trying to put into words the things I don't dig about anime. It's nothing story-wise. I love things like you mentioned, but I'm talking about how the art of anime tries too hard to evoke something in it's characters I'm just not into, or don't buy. It doesn't really have anything to do with the narrative.
It's just a style thing, and maybe I'll just never get past it. So I hope it doesn't seem like I'm directly opposed to anything "deep." Quite the opposite.

I want to watch Ninja Scroll. I probably won't like it, but I love ninjas and ninja stories, but there aren't really any good ninja movies in live action.
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Not emo at all, but the whole nature of the story is centered around where humanity ends and machine begins in a world where cyborgs are an everyday thing, machines are self aware and people can even have their minds live on in a machine or on the internet despite their body being long dead.

If it's not Jeri's bag, he might not enjoy it at all. I do see why you recommend it to him, since it doesn't do the usual crazy hair/chargin ma lazer/trying to look hardass thing that a lot of well known animes are kind of notorious for. It's actually one of my favourite manga/anime franchises.
Yea, as I was saying in the other post it's not a content problem with me, it's a presentation thing.
I have no problems with a story like that. I love that stuff, really. I'm a huge science fiction fan and that sounds similar to lots of stories I love, from Harlan Ellison, to Philip K. Dick, and even Terminator or Matrix.

So if Ghost in a Shell is a great science fiction story, that's animated well and doesn't "overdo it" stylistically in the ways I dislike, I could very well love it.
I'll give it the old college try. Why not?
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